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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 01:21 AM
Oleg, if you hate american planes, just say so. the
P-51 flight model is beyond shameful!
Do you really think if you hyper exaggerate russian planes
performance (especially the LA-7) the world will then
become convinced russian planes were more than the junk
they really were?

When American piston engined fighters finally faced off
US aircraft dominated the Russian piston engined fighters
over Korea, P-51Ds and F4U-4s and F-82s easily shot down
the WWII Russian planes (primarily at low altitudes).

I must confess I was in error when i believed the flight
model for the p-51 would be close to realistic.

Sadly i am wrong.

your flight sim is now no more than an LAME attempt at
glorification of Russian WWII fighters.

I will no longer use the game, or buy your garbage.

Mr...

XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 01:21 AM
Oleg, if you hate american planes, just say so. the
P-51 flight model is beyond shameful!
Do you really think if you hyper exaggerate russian planes
performance (especially the LA-7) the world will then
become convinced russian planes were more than the junk
they really were?

When American piston engined fighters finally faced off
US aircraft dominated the Russian piston engined fighters
over Korea, P-51Ds and F4U-4s and F-82s easily shot down
the WWII Russian planes (primarily at low altitudes).

I must confess I was in error when i believed the flight
model for the p-51 would be close to realistic.

Sadly i am wrong.

your flight sim is now no more than an LAME attempt at
glorification of Russian WWII fighters.

I will no longer use the game, or buy your garbage.

Mr...

XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 01:37 AM
Buh-bye, then.

Seriously, I'd be the first to suggest the FMs have been, uh, in need of tweaking for certain Russian planes at times...and for some German ones too...

but I don't think that right now, at this juncture (v1.21), the overall matchups are so far off as to suggest the *entire* package is just revisionist history.

Overall, things are about as "right" as they've ever been.

P-51s *flown correctly* are nasty. So are Yak 3s and La7s, because they were nasty planes, too.

I sense a bit of "US entitlement" behind this tirade. You just discovering that you're NOT John Wayne or Ben Affleck? Is that it? Cuz it sure sounds like, at the very least, you're no "Mr. Awesome".

You are not OWED kills just because you climb into a Stang, and the Americans were on the winning side of WWII (actually, I remember the Russians being on the winning side as well). There are many German 109 and FW190 pilots online who will feed you your own butt on a tarnished platter if you take that attitude.

May I suggest you 1) come up with some figures to prove the -51 is fatally porked or 2) learn to fly it better.

Hint: process 2) is more fun.

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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 01:39 AM
Wow

Thats quite a post. You're very angry about things I see. There are courses and so forth for that sort of thing.

Good luck in your new life.

XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 02:26 AM
I think the guy's just letting rip... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 02:33 AM
SmokeJaguar wrote:
- I think the guy's just letting rip...

And god does it stink.

Crack a window.


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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 02:42 AM
History is full of wankas...

Its good to see the gene pool has not been completly emptied.

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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 03:01 AM
Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 03:02 AM
Wow!!! you sound really ticked!!! Do you know of a sim with better FMs? If so please tell me so I can get it.....and please dont say anything CFS, or Warbirds II or III, or Aces High or Fighter Ace.... which is the best of the above lot IMO..but none of them beat FB.

I am sorry to see someone so disapointed in what I think is a great sim but.......

Contol yourself......sure you've got a headache.....
you're tense...... irritable..........
but dont take it out on him............

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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 03:14 AM
So besides you getting your clock cleaned in it, what exactly is wrong with it?

I find it untouchable flying it with the right touch. This baby moves, and how.

XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 03:16 AM
SkyChimp wrote:
- Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way
- out.
-
- Regards,
-
- SkyChimp
-
<

not to worry.

Ubi, a French software company.

Maddox games a Russian software company.

And I expected American planes to be fairly modeled?

Perhaps if they were Iraqi planes.

Bye.

XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 03:22 AM
-- I will no longer use the game, or buy your garbage.


I think he just Re-Formatted his hard disk.


...ever notice its always the "JG" fellas who format their disks? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 03:34 AM
Don't go!! We will miss you! BUAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 03:55 AM
Apologies to the "JG" fellas.

That was a P~51 whiner who is formatting, and a fake whiner it seems.

ZG77_Nagual
12-06-2003, 03:56 AM
Given the sharp contrast between your remarks - MA - and anything even remotely resembling reality - I am inclined to think you are um...<edit,edit etc.> radically underinformed.

First - the La7/5fn later yak9s and yak3s were, according to every credible source I've seen, some of the most outstanding dogfighters ever created - in their envelope. They had quality control problems - but so did us fighters - and it's a bit troublesome to model those in a simm.

Second - the p40, p39 and p51 are now among the very best planes in the simm - p39 has been for awhile. The fact that you are evidently unable to make them work calls into question your skill and determination.

Your remarks are an insult to the hard-work and time put into making this the most outstanding ww2 flight simm of all time - fortunately you are unlikely to be taken seriously enough to even be considered insulting.

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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 07:08 AM
"not to worry.

Ubi, a French software company.

Maddox games a Russian software company.

And I expected American planes to be fairly modeled?

Perhaps if they were Iraqi planes.

Bye."


I think this comment deserves the "Most Ethnically Challenged Post of the Year" award.



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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 08:55 AM
LW the was no walk over too ,the war went on for 5 years ,LW been out number in most cases too with cases of 10 b109,s go up againest 100 or so USSR fighters

XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 09:55 AM
It is obvious he blows at this sim, and needs professional help.

DON"T pick on him! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 10:02 AM
kweassa wrote:
- I think this comment deserves the "Most
- Ethnically Challenged Post of the Year" award.

more along the lines of american worshipping than ethnically challenged

did the guy expect the Pony to be a good DFer or something ?

XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 02:48 PM
Mr-Awesome wrote:
- Oleg, if you hate american planes, just say so. the
- P-51 flight model is beyond shameful!
- Do you really think if you hyper exaggerate
- russian planes
-
- performance (especially the LA-7) the world will
- then
- become convinced russian planes were more than the
- junk
- they really were?
-
- When American piston engined fighters finally faced
- off
- US aircraft dominated the Russian piston engined
- fighters
- over Korea, P-51Ds and F4U-4s and F-82s easily shot
- down
- the WWII Russian planes (primarily at low
- altitudes).
-
- I must confess I was in error when i believed the
- flight
-
- model for the p-51 would be close to realistic.
-
- Sadly i am wrong.
-
-
- your flight sim is now no more than an LAME
- attempt at
-
- glorification of Russian WWII fighters.
-
- I will no longer use the game, or buy your
- garbage.
-
-
- Mr...


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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 03:10 PM
Mr. you could tell us what is wrong in the mustang in your opinion. It is lame to come here and tell P51 sucks I´m quitting. In my opinion the FM and DM of the current pach is by far the best so far ( haven´t flown all planes yet ).

Also I think that the P51 is not a good dogfight plane at low altitudes or in 1 on 1 dogfights ,but if it is 2 109´s against 2 P51`s I would have to bet for the P51´s to win.

It really is a great plane, You have great field of vision from the cockpit and when you open fire from close range it can wreck some nasty havoc. Not to mention when you get high enough it becomes very fast and lethal machine.

Again writing something like " me no happy ,me leave" is just stupid. Please tell us what do you think is wrong in the plane in your mind.

XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 04:57 PM
revisionist history ???

Where did you get your history books. Russian planes all junk huh? They was so crappy that the LW was told to avoid yaks under 5000 ft.

I am proud to be American but there is a difference between pride and ignorance.

If you really feel all things U.S must always be 1st last and only. Go into QMB, make a flight of P-40's, P-47's and P-51's and make them all aces.

Make the opponents all rookie's or average and proceed to lay waste. I would be bored numb but hey , thats just me

XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 05:11 PM
Breathe Mr-Awesome, breathe...

Mr-Awesome wrote:
- When American piston engined fighters finally faced
- off
- US aircraft dominated the Russian piston engined
- fighters
- over Korea, P-51Ds and F4U-4s and F-82s easily shot
- down
- the WWII Russian planes (primarily at low
- altitudes).

Well, that's a very complete description of a three year war. (Are you really taught this way in school in US)
Then would you, please, tell us, why ,since US dominated the skies, the war lasted so long?

Let's assume that P-51 was really that superior.
What exactly are you trying to prove?
That american pilots were crocks since they were shot down in considerable numbers, while flying superior planes?

Well ....I don's agree with you... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 05:13 PM
Mr Awesome that was a terrible, terrible post. If you only understood how much has been done to this sim. Only one other person spoke this way to Oleg once (I wonder if it`s you?)

It`s good to see that Oleg is made of stronger stuff or he would cop out now. I wouldn`t blame him. Perhaps this is your wicked agenda. I don`t know.

My words are polite. But in reality I`d knock your lights out!>:

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Message Edited on 12/06/0304:18PM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 05:25 PM
I tried the P-51 for awhile-- I found it to be too easy, and got bored with it. And went back to the FW for a challenge.I also don't bother with the MK 108's anymore either.



Message Edited on 12/06/0310:27AM by WalterMitty

XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 05:32 PM
It's obvious this is his first WWII combat flight sim. If he would have tried any of the sims that have planes like LA-7,Yak-9U or yak-3 flyable (or read about them) he would have a freaking clue.

Ah, BTW MA, Do you know who was the highest scoring ace of the War in Corea? I don't think so.


Message Edited on 12/06/0311:38AM by Jaws2002

XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 06:11 PM
clint-ruin wrote:
- SmokeJaguar wrote:
-- I think the guy's just letting rip...
-
- And god does it stink.
-
- Crack a window.
-
-

Now you mention it my respiratory system does appear to have started drowning in it own fluids...

Here let me help you with that window/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 06:44 PM
Wow...the P-51 I figured nobody would be displeased with. Especially the way it is in 1.21 Final. Its an excellent and deadly fighter with almost no bad attributes and a very well rounded fighter.

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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 08:01 PM
However, Bearcat:

There IS a sim with better FMs

http://www.targetware.net

Just compare their P-40/Zero matchup with FB's same matchup. You'll see it's true.


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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 09:27 PM
Not a dogfighter? No good at low level? Well, someone forgot to tell me about that./i/smilies/16x16_robot-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 09:41 PM
The reason the US planes owned the N. Korean airforce was that thier pilots were poorly trained for combat...if at all

and a lot of the US pilots had war experience so were better trained to take on the NKAF aircraft (which could be considered superior aircraft..but lets not get into that)

As you said the F82 shooting down ''crappy'' russian planes, they were PO2 biplanes...at night and they had radar

mate...get your facts straight before you complain...read a book for example...TV does not have all the answers

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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 09:47 PM
Bobsqueek wrote:

- As you said the F82 shooting down ''crappy'' russian
- planes, they were PO2 biplanes...at night and they
- had radar

According to the USAF, the 3 kills credited to the F-82 was a sole Yak-11 and 2 La-7s (though sorces other than the USAF says it was two Yak-7s). The Yak and one La were shot down during the day during a dogfight over Kimpo airbase.

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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2003, 09:55 PM
I shoulda put 'in general' in front of it really

sorry, my bad

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XyZspineZyX
12-07-2003, 03:44 AM
Wow, and us Americans wonder why people think we're so ignorant?

Man, crapping out posts like that just makes all the other American's who are stereotyped as ignorant look even worse. The P-51 was a great aircraft, but not to the extent in which you wish to have it modded to. Sounds to me like you want it to be invincible.

And just to all you non Americans-we aren't all that stupid and ignorant!

XyZspineZyX
12-07-2003, 12:40 PM
Night Blade,each country have its share of ignorant and bad assed people,in the same proportion i guess.The problem for US is that with 250 million people one tends to
read more of them /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

apart from this,i just stepped in to say that i'm pretty pleased with the mustang,exactly as i hope it,not overmodelled,yet very capable.

My team is flying an online P51 campaign and we tend to kill more than get killed,against all types of late german acft (44-45).Just be sure to carry max 50% fuel for a short mission...or it's very heavy,as it must have been in RL,given its fuel endurance.

50's are deadly if shot at convergence and in a 2 sec burst,spraying only is less efficient,again i'm very satisfied with this modelling.i thank very much american people that provided datas for oleg to get it right.S! guys.

XyZspineZyX
12-07-2003, 12:45 PM
Night_Blade wrote:
- Wow, and us Americans wonder why people think we're
- so ignorant?

- And just to all you non Americans-we aren't all that
- stupid and ignorant!
-
-

no fear, night_blade.
i know enough americans outside this forum.
so i know its a great country with wonderful people.




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XyZspineZyX
12-07-2003, 12:54 PM
I think that Oleg can take great heart from all the comments good and bad. I sure hope he does, for in my humble opinion he has done a great job on 1.21, even for those who have lesser hardware.

Most of the installation problems seem to stem from people either not reading the install information properly or having hardware with less than perfect drivers.

There is not another combat sim that invokes this level of technical discussion, gives the same feel in use and has the personal technical support of the author and his team). The fact that he has invoked this level of interest in the genre is staggering, and his attention to detail is second to none. Perhaps things are not quite perfect, but very little in life is.

The fact that Oleg takes the time to listen and communicate with users at a personal level is rare indeed, and people like Hunter make others welcome and give a fast response to anyone with technical difficulties. In short, it is a community with heart, one that cares about end user satisfaction.

All I can say is, if you want to bail out on this excellent sim, make sure your chute opens properly.

XyZspineZyX
12-07-2003, 02:58 PM
Hi All
I'v just told my friends today that after 10 hours with
1.21 ,FM's and "FEEL" are superb and if I to pick the best joyride for me,it would be the P51.
Cheers
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