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Bearcat99
02-12-2004, 09:30 PM
Though not a graphic and gritty as Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers still a great classic.... on right now...AMC I think.

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02-12-2004, 09:30 PM
Though not a graphic and gritty as Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers still a great classic.... on right now...AMC I think.

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Fehler
02-12-2004, 09:38 PM
One of my favorites!

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Helonwhls87
02-13-2004, 12:13 AM
Rgr that. One of my Favorites As well. I have it on tape but I always seem to watch it when I see it on. I like how it covers D-Day from many points of view. Plus it's got the Duke, enough said.

georgeo76
02-13-2004, 12:23 AM
I like this movie, don't get me wrong. But I find the late 40s through 60s American WWII movies to be a little whitewashed, self-congratulatory, and filled w/ propaganda. Like I said, I like the Duke, but the movies of this era bug me.

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Indianer.
02-13-2004, 12:28 AM
good film.

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HansKnappstick
02-13-2004, 01:06 AM
I daresay it is more realistic than "Saving Private Ryan"

clayman_52
02-13-2004, 02:27 AM
Great Movie ... scenes like Red Buttons hanging from the bell tower in Ste. M¨re-Eglise, the poor German officer reporting to his superiors that he was being shelled by the "5,000 ships the Allies didn't have", the French attack on the casino ... etc. Sappy in some ways ... it was still a great film. One of the last in black and white.

Man, the one thing that has always stuck in my head since I first saw the film in 62 was that final shot of the single helmut on the beach as the credits rolled by. It said volumes about Operation Overlord. That shot alone was a memorable tribute to all those who where there including my father.

Speaking of which ... wasn't Eddie Albert actually at Omaha too?

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Helonwhls87
02-13-2004, 05:50 AM
Eddie Albert was in the Navy.

Here's A link I found about his deeds during the Tarawa invasion.

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DeerHunterUK
02-13-2004, 06:03 AM
Hold until relieved, hold until relieved.
Pure class of a film but I do disagree with you georgeo I think it shows an unbiased perspective from all sides.

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XyZspineZyX
02-13-2004, 07:20 AM
Helonwhls87;

Thanks for the Eddie Albert link. I loved Green Acres, an absloutely surreal show.

I never knew about his war service other than that he served.
I suppose that not every brave deed done in WW II (or any war for that matter) gets recognized, but his heroic effort should have been recognized sooner. At least it wasn't posthumously.
I admire his character. To him he was just doing his job. To 47 men he risked his life to save theirs.

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Inadaze
02-13-2004, 07:24 AM
Class Film...

Some movie trivia. Richard Todd the actor who plays Major Howard in charge of the 6th airborne at Pegasus Bridge. Was actually at the bridge during the DDay landings.

From All Movie Guide: Born in Ireland, Richard Todd spent a few of his childhood years in India, where his father served as an army physician. Later his family relocated to West Devon, England. Todd trained for a potential military career at Sandhurst before inaugurating his acting training at the Italia Conta school. He helped organize the Dundee Repertory Theatre, then spent six years' service in World War II, first as an officer in the Yorkshire Light Infantry, then as a paratrooper with the 6th Airbourne. Todd was among those who parachuted into France during the D-Day Invasion of 1944; eighteen years later, he played a cameo in Darryl F. Zanuck's D-Day recreation The Longest Day.

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Acme70
02-13-2004, 08:42 AM
I always loved the scenes of Josef "Pips" Priller screaming at his superiors over the phone every time they call, "What the hell am i supposed to do with 2 planes", Classic.

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Chuck_Older
02-13-2004, 10:36 AM
Not sure how Longest Day could be more realistic than Saving Private Ryan... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif I wonder if you could expound on your reasoning, Hans.

But anyway, LD is a great film.

I wish that AMC would play "A Bridge Too Far"

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JG26Red
02-13-2004, 10:46 AM
I like the movie, was watching it too.. curious on a few points..

some of the german generals in movie stated they knew where the invasion would come.. how true was that? i know rommel had a good idea, but rundstedt and hitler liked the calais area??

also, the part, where at night the general wanted the panzers moved up instantly, but didnt because hitler was sleeping? was that true? what if the panzers did get moved up at that moment? could that have changed the outcome?

horseback
02-13-2004, 01:11 PM
Terrific movie, but the "production values" and lighting are very '60s, and unrealistic in some scenes to modern viewers.

As for the German generals saying they knew the invasion would be at Normandy, I think it was more a case of having a premonition that Hitler had put all their eggs in one (the wrong) basket, rather than a specific knowledge from military intelligence sources.

The episode about Hitler's aides not waking him and his not releasing the panzers is accurate, although it is hard to tell what the result would have been. Certainly, a lot more men would ahve died, but the tank columns might have gotten caught out in the open by Typhoons with rockets, or spotted in reach of Naval bombardment (Battleship fire support is a truly awesome thing, with a reach approaching 20 miles. An accurate location report of their range would lead to the transformation of those tanks into so much tossed salad). Or, they might have annihilated the beachhead. We'll never know, thank God.

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BlitzPig_Ritter
02-13-2004, 01:54 PM
I love it, I got the Colorized version on VHS a few years ago.

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Acme70
02-13-2004, 01:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG26Red:
I like the movie, was watching it too.. curious on a few points..

some of the german generals in movie stated they knew where the invasion would come.. how true was that? i know rommel had a good idea, but rundstedt and hitler liked the calais area??

also, the part, where at night the general wanted the panzers moved up instantly, but didnt because hitler was sleeping? was that true? what if the panzers did get moved up at that moment? could that have changed the outcome?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Von Rundstedt & had a poor opinion of Rommel as a strategist, But Rommel was right in way, He wanted to keep the Panzer Reserves right behind the beaches, He knew from North Africa that once the Allied air forces got flying long distance movement (especially by day) would be impossible.

An attack against a unit of Flying Fortress' was something like controlled suicide, Sometimes 50, Sometimes 80 machine guns were firing at you, You attempted to close your eyes & continue to fire, Frightened to death, Frightened to death.

Oberst Johannes Steinhoff (176 Kills)

JG26Red
02-13-2004, 02:15 PM
ahhh, i read up somemore... the 12th SS and panzer lehr where there... 2 very good panzer divisions... von rud ordered them to go 2 hours before the landings.. but the germans goofy command system didnt allow him to move them.. if he had control and moved them 2hrs before hand they would have been in ripe position to counter and most likely crush the landing force...

also, the V1s where available, and could have been launched at the beachhead by 12 june, but hitler for some reason decided to shot at london... imagine, eventhou they where not very accurate, but imagine a few of these hitting the mulberrys????

more and more i read, man, was this attack LUCKY to succed, WOW, even with the overwheling firepower from sea and air... also the luftwaffe was nowhere to be found, if not sure why, fuel or what, but why not just throw everything you got at the beachead? this is the main pivital battle? hmmmm i wonder??

final thought, eventhou we had brave soldiers, who fought well and died for their country, the germans weird command system and faulty intell is what made this attack succed

rick_475
02-13-2004, 02:21 PM
I didn't like the longest day, I would recommend movies like "Ballad of A soldier" or "All quiet on the Western front" instead. Ballad of A soldier is a russian movie that will touch you. All quiet on the western front is an anti-war movie about WW1, very well done for 1930. Anybody saw "The life and death of Colonel Blimp"? It was once considered to be the Citizen Kane of UK...

Oscar_352nd
02-13-2004, 03:33 PM
Rommel's logic for moving the tanks in behind the beachhead was flawed - they would have been cannon foder for the Battleships, Cruisers and Destroyers off the beach. Also, both Rundstedt and Hitler both still believed that Normandy was a deversion asas late as 1600 on D-Day. Both had refused moving the 3 Panzer Divisions from the 15th Corp south on numerous requests by Rommel.

While I liked the movie - it was flawed considerable. Here's some light reading on the subject - MOST interesting!!

Cross Channel Attack (http://www.army.mil/cmh/books/wwii/7-4/7-4_cont.htm)

Also, pick up a copy of "D-Day" by Stephen Ambrose.

P.S. Zannick used the same type of closure treatment for the ending credits in the movie "In Harm's Way".

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Wemic
02-13-2004, 08:39 PM
Saw the non-colorized version on DVD at Walmart yesterday...snagged it.

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Wemic
02-13-2004, 08:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beebop_54:
Helonwhls87;

Thanks for the Eddie Albert link. I loved Green Acres, an absloutely surreal show.

I never knew about his war service other than that he served.
I suppose that not every brave deed done in WW II (or any war for that matter) gets recognized, but his heroic effort should have been recognized sooner. At least it wasn't posthumously.
I admire his character. To him he was just doing his job. To 47 men he risked his life to save theirs.

I salute all veterans of all countires who put it all on the line in service to their country.



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Albert is also mentioned in a book called "Utmost Savagery" by Col. Joseph H. Alexander. One of the best books I've read about the Tarawa invasion.

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Zeus-cat
02-13-2004, 09:45 PM
I saw a documentary on The Longest Day last year - probably on AMC or TCM. The film's producer intended the film as an anti-war statement as well as a tribute to the bravery and honor of the common soldier on both sides. The final scene showing just the helmut on the beach was one of his best shots, intending to show you the aftermath of battle -an empty helmut representing one dead soldier.

If you look at many of the scenes and keep in your mind that this is supposed to be an anti-war film, you can see the producer's intent. You see many brave acts by men on both sides, but you also see men who are afraid of war and who think war is stupid. The German in the bunker who sees "5,000 ships" is clearly one of these people. He is loyal to Germany, but he thinks his superiors are fools and yearns to be at home and at peace.

The producer also financed much of this film if I recall correctly. Or at least he covered the part that went over budget. A huge personal risk on his part, but he wanted this movie made to honor the men who fought on D-Day and to make people remember how awful that war was and to never do it again.

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