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Kondor99
05-24-2004, 07:39 PM
Simply put, it's the emphasis on gunnery rather than fancy flying. Every history of the period I've ever read has emphasized that what separated the Aces from the Also-rans was marksmanship.

And so it is with IL-2.

Thank You God for sending me Il-2.

By the way, my 7 year old son is an incredible 'natural' shot. I fly the plane and let him sqeeze the trigger (he's set up on a secondary joystick with he fire button mapped to it). Talk about father-son bonding!

Kondor99
05-24-2004, 07:39 PM
Simply put, it's the emphasis on gunnery rather than fancy flying. Every history of the period I've ever read has emphasized that what separated the Aces from the Also-rans was marksmanship.

And so it is with IL-2.

Thank You God for sending me Il-2.

By the way, my 7 year old son is an incredible 'natural' shot. I fly the plane and let him sqeeze the trigger (he's set up on a secondary joystick with he fire button mapped to it). Talk about father-son bonding!

VW-IceFire
05-24-2004, 07:41 PM
Thats great...and yes shooting is quite difficult sometimes. I've practiced alot to get to where I'm at and its still maybe 12% at best and more like 2% normally http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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lil_labbit
05-24-2004, 08:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kondor99:
Simply put, it's the emphasis on gunnery rather than fancy flying. Every history of the period I've ever read has emphasized that what separated the Aces from the Also-rans was marksmanship.

And so it is with IL-2.

Thank You God for sending me Il-2.

By the way, my 7 year old son is an incredible 'natural' shot. I fly the plane and let him sqeeze the trigger (he's set up on a secondary joystick with he fire button mapped to it). Talk about father-son bonding!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oooh 7 year old and a marksman - hmmm you cheat! LOL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (I'd allmost make one myself - but then I'd had to wait 7 years)...

I don't agree though - I'm a LOUSY dogfighter - but flying is what I like - FB is much more than you think - you realy CAN fly fancy...
Look at SilverTrigger's (ST_Pawnee's) solo movie...
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or at VHVT's movie: http://www.haute-voltige.com/virtualHVteam/ http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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TooCooL34
05-24-2004, 08:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Thank You God for sending me Il-2.

By the way, my 7 year old son is an incredible 'natural' shot. I fly the plane and let him sqeeze the trigger (he's set up on a secondary joystick with he fire button mapped to it). Talk about father-son bonding!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Bearcat99
05-24-2004, 10:12 PM
I agree with you Kondor... but I also think it is the incredile attention to detail and realism that you just dont see in most sims while at the same time being so scalable that a 7 year old can fly it and enjoy it (my 7 year old son likes to fly the He-111s & Sturmos.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif). I also think the track recording frature and the incredible viewing system make it an awesome piece of software. I discovered the viewing feature by accident.. I had paused the sim to answer the phone.. I had only had it about a day or two.. when i went back to my desk I nudged the mouse and the scene moved... I started to experiment and freaked out. So much makes this thing great.

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Skarp-Hedin
05-24-2004, 10:52 PM
don't forget how ubi supports il2 and you keep getting patches/addons. unfortunatly I didn't notice how lucky we are to have such a great sim and with the patches it lasts for a long time. to bad lomac didn't get that kind of attention http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif after next patch for lomac there will be no more patches (most likely 90% sure) or an addon. that's what happens when a game is rushed into the market when it's still unfinished. so you all very lucky LOL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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lil_labbit
05-24-2004, 11:15 PM
UBI supports IL-2 ? that's news...
Why can't 2-IP ADSL hosts not host on UBI then - I'm waiting for that answer for allmost 2 YEARS now.... STILL NOT FIXED

1C:Maddox - now that's another story http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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jttthomas
05-24-2004, 11:16 PM
agree with all comments. I struggle to shoot anything because the gunsight (or the plane nose) keeps shifting from side to side.

However, one thing it HAS given me is GREAT respect for all those guys/gals who risked their lives (and paid for it) dearly in the skies over europe and the pacific. Imagine having to get into a Brewster Buffalo knowing there are 10 Zero's with altitude overflying your airbase, and that you'll probably be vulched or killed outright, and still going for it.

Thats courage.

adlabs6
05-24-2004, 11:29 PM
1.)Enjoyable gameplay, flexible settings.
2.)Cheat-free online play.
3.)Good network code.
4.)Tons of payware quality addons for free.
5.)Tons of payware quality addons for free.

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Friendly_flyer
05-24-2004, 11:58 PM
... not to mention a very nice internet community making new skins, campaigns and (and I'm still amazed by this one) voice packs. Thanks to all of you guys!

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LeadSpitter_
05-25-2004, 12:26 AM
Maddox's attention to Anti cheating.

Ability to choose hard settings locking you in the canopy with no kid locking aids externals or labels.

Detail of the 3d cockpits.

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GuillermoZS
05-25-2004, 01:21 AM
REALISM is what I like the most http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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AirBot
05-25-2004, 02:02 AM
Just a shot in the dark here... but have you tried pressing SHIFT + F1?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jttthomas:
agree with all comments. I struggle to shoot anything because the gunsight (or the plane nose) keeps shifting from side to side.

However, one thing it HAS given me is GREAT respect for all those guys/gals who risked their lives (and paid for it) dearly in the skies over europe and the pacific. Imagine having to get into a Brewster Buffalo knowing there are 10 Zero's with altitude overflying your airbase, and that you'll probably be vulched or killed outright, and still going for it.

Thats courage.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SeaFireLIV
05-25-2004, 07:21 AM
There really are too many great things to mention, but...

1. Yes. wHERE you shoot actually counts, unlike the old days where you fill the body of a plane with lead and it blew up.

2. The damage model. This is one of the biggest and greatest things for me. Ever since I was a teenager I hated the way planes would either a, go down smoking, b, blow up or if you were lucky, lose a wing. Even now I love waiting to see what I`ve busted this time when a bogey goes down.

3. Immersive. Sirens. Rain, snow. The whine of the engine as it starts up, searchlights at night, etc (too many to mention).

4. Abitily to add own face/ aircraft skins offline and on. Campaigns.

5. Blah, blah, blah, waffle, drone.

6. Oh, and CFS3 for helping me to apreciate how spoilt I was when I left IL2 for it.

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Hawgdog
05-25-2004, 07:42 AM
immersion

Curly_109
05-25-2004, 07:47 AM
Everything... I'm too subjective of this matter http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

budvar62
05-25-2004, 07:59 AM
Agree with a lot of the previous:

I can struggle for 20mins getting my tea bag back on the deck in a close formation of wreckage then my 8 year old can fly with no cockpit annihilating Condors and B17's.

Flying upriver in the morning mist with a stunning sunrise at 10m in an IL2 then playnig the track back and listening to the noise the 23mm's make as I take out AAA.

See an aileron fly off the guy ahead and gentle twirl down while he leaks fuel and trails smoke but somehow keeps going!

Sunlight dazzling the flat glass on the side of my 110 rendering me half blind.

Coming home from work, pretending it is my boss in that defenceless Ju52 and chewing him up a bit at a time.

Crashlanding on the side of a mountain in an He111 and watching it slowly break apart as it slides down the mountainside while some of my crew still manage to jump out of the broken fuselage.

Too many other features to mention...

Hawg-dawg
05-25-2004, 08:08 AM
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NegativeGee
05-25-2004, 08:15 AM
Sense of speed.

Trees, buildings and vehicles whipping by at 350 kph when I'm strafing.......

Chasing another plane into a dive at 7000 metres, following them down, trying to line up a shot.... then glancing at the speedo in horror to see I'm already doing 700kph and need to level off quick!

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73GIAP_Milan
05-25-2004, 12:27 PM
It's just the entire game...no game ever came so close imho to realism as IL2..

I think it rightfully deserves the title:
&gt;&gt;Legendary Flightsim!!&lt;&lt;

Salute and Regards,

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