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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:56 PM
Well, if I get my arse chewed then so be it

First off, I am totally crap at dog fighting - my situation awareness is on a par with someone walking around with a bucket on his head. I get out turned, out gunned,out run and so on. I couldnt hit a cows arse with a shovel if I was sat on its back. Yep, I've only been playing this online for a month or two, the learning curve is huge,I'm no stooge at online games, but dog fighting is something that is , in my opinion , an art that is hard to get even competent at, let along good at.

It's frustrating, almost to the point of lobbing the game out the window. Turn up, take off, get shot down. Repeat until it's time to bang your head repeatedly against a wall. Endlessly wondering 'How the **** did he pull that move off' and other choice phrases do little to make the experience better.

Yet, stick me in a bomber and I'm a happy bunny - I can happily sit playing B-17 2 for hours. Stick me in a 111 and I'll take off fly around , drop some bombs if I'm lucky, then wait to get reduced to a flaming wreck heading for earth.

If there were more bombers available to fly it would vary the game, and would make this game more enjoyable for the likes of people like me who just arent fighter jocks, or who just want to fly the big birds

Ant thoughts?

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:56 PM
Well, if I get my arse chewed then so be it

First off, I am totally crap at dog fighting - my situation awareness is on a par with someone walking around with a bucket on his head. I get out turned, out gunned,out run and so on. I couldnt hit a cows arse with a shovel if I was sat on its back. Yep, I've only been playing this online for a month or two, the learning curve is huge,I'm no stooge at online games, but dog fighting is something that is , in my opinion , an art that is hard to get even competent at, let along good at.

It's frustrating, almost to the point of lobbing the game out the window. Turn up, take off, get shot down. Repeat until it's time to bang your head repeatedly against a wall. Endlessly wondering 'How the **** did he pull that move off' and other choice phrases do little to make the experience better.

Yet, stick me in a bomber and I'm a happy bunny - I can happily sit playing B-17 2 for hours. Stick me in a 111 and I'll take off fly around , drop some bombs if I'm lucky, then wait to get reduced to a flaming wreck heading for earth.

If there were more bombers available to fly it would vary the game, and would make this game more enjoyable for the likes of people like me who just arent fighter jocks, or who just want to fly the big birds

Ant thoughts?

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:02 AM
yes we need more bombers. they're real nice for target practice online, especially if i strap some gunpods on /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:08 AM
Give me a B-25H, then try that! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

adlabs6
10-11-2003, 12:22 AM
About the only hope we're going to get for more bombers is the Ju-88, and even that's unsure. I bought this sim for ground attack way back there, but it never got farther than the IL2's and now the He-111. Maybe the Ju-88 will make it, though I'd like a B-25 myself.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:31 AM
adlabs6 wrote:
- About the only hope we're going to get for more
- bombers is the Ju-88, and even that's unsure. I
- bought this sim for ground attack way back there,
- but it never got farther than the IL2's and now the
- He-111. Maybe the Ju-88 will make it, though I'd
- like a B-25 myself.

Why is getting Ju-88 unsure?

A-20 is being made as flyable too, btw.


-jippo

adlabs6
10-11-2003, 03:52 AM
Jippo01 wrote:
- Why is getting Ju-88 unsure?
-
- A-20 is being made as flyable too, btw.
-
-
--jippo

Hello jippo,

I was going on the info I've seen so far, though how right it is, I have no way to know. For example, I checked for the Ju-88 in the list of planes in the free and paid addon, but I couldn't find it. The only mention came later when Ian Boys (supposedly) wrote at SimHQ:

"7. The Ju-88 will be included if Jippo and his crew finish it."

With this as my only source of information, it didn't seem 100% positive.

Thanks for mentioning the A-20, I was not aware that this was being made flyable. Very good news! Together with the Ju-88, the A-20 will make for some enjoyable bombing campaigns for both sides.

BTW, I assume that you are the same jippo who's working on the Ju-88 modeling? If so, thanks to you for your efforts. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif The last update I saw was the cockpit (back near the first of the year), I believe that I downloaded a program that allowed me to pan around inside, looking at each station's view. It was great looking, and I can't wait to take it to the skies.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 03:59 AM
by the time of the pay add-on there is a good chance for many flyable bombers, i do know that the fw200 condor is flyable and will be in pay add-on.

He177 will be added as well by not flyable maybe that will change.

B25 will be nice as will the B26.

Im eager for a flyable b17 i beileve a b24 is underway as well.

Personally id like to see a B29 or B-36(seriously doubt itd be modelled)

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10-11-2003, 04:39 AM
I'd give up a mustang in hand for the wish of a B-17g

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 04:51 AM
Have you considered taking something like a P-47 with maximum bomb load? Or Fw-190A8? Just about the same thing.

Myself, I'd love to have a A-26, B-26 and a B-25. Wonderful birds!

The B-17... Well - I'd trade a P-51 for that one.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 05:14 AM
Bomber BOMBERS!!!!!

Not Fighter bomber

Not Light Bomber

Not Tactical bomber..

...Heavy Strategic Bomber!
Korolov wrote:
- Have you considered taking something like a P-47
- with maximum bomb load? Or Fw-190A8? Just about the
- same thing.
-
- Myself, I'd love to have a A-26, B-26 and a B-25.
- Wonderful birds!
-
- The B-17... Well - I'd trade a P-51 for that one.
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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 05:38 AM
What you want is the Lanc. It carried the biggest bomb load of any of them in WWII. I would think it would be in the BOB version as I hear Oleg "has a thing for them now"....

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 05:48 AM
Why can't they make the scads of unflyable bombers already in the game flyable?? I can see no reason for not being able to get them all flyable. Although I know it's old news that the PE-8 will never be flyable. But the others?? Why not the IL-4 or DB-3. How about the TU-2?? Or the PE-3 and PE-2s??? Everyone blabs on and on about new planes being introduced and made flyable from the start. But why not first get the many currently unflyable planes made flyable that have been in the game all along??

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 06:26 AM
well id much rather be flying an American bomber vs a tu-2 or pe-2, especially a B17

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 06:31 AM
I could live with more bombers. Some american birds, like the B-17 or the B-25 would be good, but the way the current FM's on the American aircraft are, don't get any hopes up about them being good. Oh well. Even if they were AI, good target practice for me. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 06:31 AM
yes please,give us more sitting ducks....

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 06:32 AM
A-20(Flyable),B-26(Flyable),B-24(Flyable),Lancaster(Unknown),B-17(AI),Hampden(Unknown),B-25(Unknown),Ju-88(Flyable),He-177(Unknown),and Do-217(Unknown) are all either in the works or finished for inclusion in FB. That is if the modellers follow through. There may be more,but that's all I can think of,off hand...

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 06:37 AM
EasyEight::
-- First off, I am totally crap at dog fighting

Me too! Just flew a FMB mission and shot at an easy target like Ju~87 and...

Did I shoot it down? *bah* Of course not.

Did I damage it? Could not tell.

Did I WIN? It dropped its 3 bombs when I hit it, and there were friendly ground units in the Stuka's target area, so I won that round.


adlabs6::
-- but it never got farther than the IL2's and now the He-111.

And Ju~87. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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Is jippo the Ju88-jippo? I didn't know that! ~hi~ jippo. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 06:52 AM
While the big strategic bombers might be cool, for flying and target practice, the game (called IL2 Sturmovik or something) is a tactical one. That's what the Sturmoviks were. Ju88 and Pe 2 and 3 would add much more to this tactical depth. The big boys for one thing, don't have the size maps they need (for the most part) for a full fuel and ammo load mission. This game/sim is about the Eastern Front, and strategic bombing was not a major part of it, but tactical bombing of the huge ground forces on either side was. Give us the medium bombers, please!

btw- Pe2 and 3 FM/DM are already done, just need 'pits. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Buzz_25th
10-11-2003, 06:56 AM
EasyEight

Pretty funny post. I have the opposite problem. I wanted to be a bomber pilot, but couldn't see the ground targets to save my life.

It forced me to get better in the fighters. Now I love the fighters.

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adlabs6
10-11-2003, 07:03 AM
LEXX_Luthor wrote:

- adlabs6::
--- but it never got farther than the IL2's and now the He-111.
-
- And Ju~87.

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif How could I forget!? I wrote and built a campaign for the Stuka!

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 07:06 AM
What are you talking about? Dog Fighting is easy, maybe...........too easy? hmmm.

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 08:43 AM
adlabs6 wrote:
- Jippo01 wrote:
-- Why is getting Ju-88 unsure?
--
-- A-20 is being made as flyable too, btw.
--
--
---jippo
-
- Hello jippo,
-
- I was going on the info I've seen so far, though how
- right it is, I have no way to know. For example, I
- checked for the Ju-88 in the list of planes in the
- free and paid addon, but I couldn't find it. The
- only mention came later when Ian Boys (supposedly)
- wrote at SimHQ:
-
- "7. The Ju-88 will be included if Jippo and his
- crew finish it."
-
- With this as my only source of information, it
- didn't seem 100% positive.
-


Your right, it is probably not in the CD, but will be published later.

I just thought if you had some insider information. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

And yes, I'm the same guuy. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 08:45 AM
mortoma wrote:
- Why can't they make the scads of unflyable bombers
- already in the game flyable?? I can see no reason
- for not being able to get them all flyable. Although
- I know it's old news that the PE-8 will never be
- flyable. But the others?? Why not the IL-4 or DB-3.
- How about the TU-2?? Or the PE-3 and PE-2s???
- Everyone blabs on and on about new planes being
- introduced and made flyable from the start. But why
- not first get the many currently unflyable planes
- made flyable that have been in the game all along??



Flyable bombers take hundreds of man hours to develop. Maddox games simple doesn't have the resources. They are already hard pressed.


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:35 PM
OK - heres a scenario from last night

Jumped into a european server ( virtual pilots ) which is a pretty big map - plenty of time to take off in a He111, get some good altitude and head for the objective.Manage to sneak through any fighters ( probably werent any in my area ) descend down to sea level, line up a ship and let my 2 torpedoes go as the AAA is coming up -

2 good hits on this ship with the torps ( do they ever sink??? ) turned away getting hammered with AA - one engine started smoking and I've got a fuel leak - plane peppered with bullet holes but shes still flying

Heading for home, checking all the crew positions then spot a fighter behind - no icons on so cant see if friendly or not - turns out not.

Jump into the rear gunners position as the enemy fighter starts shooting - hes right on my 6 o clock - firing away like a loony with the 7.92 which is about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike - enemy fighter fires a few bursts with cannon etc as im still firing with this poxy rear gun - needless to say, down I go in flames.

Would the scenario have been different if the bomber I was flying had been a 17, 24 , Lancaster or other bomber with better defensive firepower? It would be safe to say that 109 would have come off a lot worse if hed sat on my 6 with twin .50s firing at him, or quad .303's like the Lancaster.

It would mean a change of tactics for the fighter jocks, which would mean learning new ways to attack, and it would be a whole lot more fun, and add a new dimension to the game without having to change a whole lot.

I've played on servers where 3,4 sometimes 5 have had 111's and weve gone off on a bombing run, trying to keep close for mutual defense - but with the ol 111 theres always an element of inevitibility - at least with some of the big birds we'd have a running chance.

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 03:04 PM
Hmmm... - flyable medium/heavy bombers for the red team would be a good thing. A PE2/3 or some yank B25s or B17s would alter the game balance in a positive way. But why not a Lancaster or a Blenheim?

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 03:22 PM
give us lanc, need 10ton bomb for those difficult targets
like that german jeep /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 03:42 PM
I would prefer eastern front bombers over western front bombers any day, but unfortunalety it is not going to happen.. PE2/PE3/TU2/DB3 are totally forgotten..



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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 04:37 PM
Vipez- wrote:
- I would prefer eastern front bombers over western
- front bombers any day, but unfortunalety it is not
- going to happen.. PE2/PE3/TU2/DB3 are totally
- forgotten..
-
-
-
-

You're right - now that it is the Eastern Front this game is all about we could use one of those planes. Would be good for the online game balance.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 04:49 PM
on the other hand since we are getting Japanese planes anyone know if there going be a B-29A superfortress anytime soon?

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 05:02 PM
I want to drop a 22,000lb Blockbuster from the best heavy bomber of the war: The Avro Lancaster. I can hear those four merlin engines now ! Oh, well. No use whining, eh?