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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 02:44 PM
Ok, I will say it out front, I cna't take off without crashing 95% of the time. Iv'e looked at the training video and it says to use rudder and a bit of aieleron when taking off to compensate for the tilt the plane wants to do.

Problem is, the plane will always tilt more than i can compensate. What's the trick to taking off?

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 02:44 PM
Ok, I will say it out front, I cna't take off without crashing 95% of the time. Iv'e looked at the training video and it says to use rudder and a bit of aieleron when taking off to compensate for the tilt the plane wants to do.

Problem is, the plane will always tilt more than i can compensate. What's the trick to taking off?

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 02:49 PM
Don´t rev up too fast - this will cause the tilting. Hit the brakes first & then throttle up to 80% or so. Release brakes & throttle up to 110% - use rudder to keep the plane on track & pull up at 160-170 km/h.

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Leimboy
07-17-2003, 02:51 PM
Hi!

Try to take off at less than full throttle (around 80%?).
That way the plane won't "tilt" as much at takeoff.

What type of aircraft are you flying btw?
Start takeoff training in an IL-2 or a P-47 until you get a "feel" for it....

Good Luck!!

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Zayets
07-17-2003, 02:53 PM
Here is how I take off assuming that I'm at runway end.
1)flaps down for T/O posn.
2)start the engine and let run for 30 sec at 3-4% throttle
3)lock tailwheel
4)hold brakes and throttle up to 40%
5)when she wants to go mustang I release brakes
6)tendency to roll left most of the times. I apply right rudder until I see she comes rolling on right. Now I compensate with the stick on left
7)keep the nose low , but not that low on the P47 otherwise the proppeler will chew the runway. On tricycle gear as P39 or Me262 forget about noseing down. Keeping nose down will allow rudder a higher authority
8)when speed reaches 160-170 kph on heavy planes or 180-200kph sometimes I run till 220 kph with the jug , then pull the stick. Gently.
9)Rise gear when airborne
10)Gain few kph and raise flaps. don't climb that high yet.Build up speed instead.
11) When I'm at 250-300 kph I don't care anymore.She flies.

Hope that helps.

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 02:56 PM
Don't give up! It will be worth it! Since you have read tutorials that are obviously good, the only real advice I could give would be to make sure that your control inputs are gentle. Also, check your stick calibrations, both in the game, and from the Windows control panel "Gaming Options". Make sure that your stick is set up the way you want it. If you are not using a stick,God forbid, it will be a lot trickier, and FB will only be a flight sim to you, not a combat flight sim. Welcome, And Good Luck!
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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 02:56 PM
take off procedure (i am use it and its working):
engine on
flaps combat or take off
prop pitch 100
throttle 85-90

if the speed 180-200 : take off !
if you are in the are -> take the flaps raised position

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 02:58 PM
& don´t forget the wheels!

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 03:02 PM
Hellow and welcome to this enlightned community.

First, what plane are you using.

Second, Dont lern how to take of and land with a fighter.

Therd, Try using the il2 to lern, it's easy to control.

Locking you tail weel will help a little. Do you crash when your trying to pull up? Whait until you are going atleats 160 try pulling up at 180kmhr. Do not pull back on the stick hard. You will stall, crash. Make shure you are of the ground before raising your geer, or you will crash.
Gently pull pack on the stick

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 03:07 PM
ok I use a Logitech Freedom and my pedals from my Microsoft FF Wheel. I will have to adjust the sensitivity of my stick cause it's set to max for playing Descent 3. That may be a problem there. I'll have to keep trying. I did take off once in a P47 but no luck with other planes cept I think the IL2.

I want to learn cause this is an AWESOME sim and that is why I paid for it.

I just wish there was more in the manual about flying the plane instead of just the training video's.

I'll post more when i have a chance to try it more.

School starting soon so gotta play as much as I can now.

Thanks

CDN_Merlin Out.

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 06:18 PM
Some good advice so far. Here is my input

Don't hold the rudder. Instead gently apply rudder opposite the yaw and allow the rudder to return to center. Do this repeatedly and it should keep you from overcompensating and allows better control as the need for rudder changes as speed increases.

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 06:41 PM
The lack of interactive training missions is the biggist lack of FB in comparison to IL2.

Basic tips:

(1) check joystick alignment and sensitivity. Mostly, this sim doesn't overmodel torque and left to their own devices, most planes will stay straight on proper takeoff with minimal rudder or aileron touch. Setting tabs in flight is another thing.

(2) set flaps to takeoff. after ignition, keep engine at idle until you're ready

(3) release brake and gradually increase throttle over several seconds until plane starts to move

(4) nose down on takeoff run as soon as possible after your speed gets up. This fixes most torque/crosswind issues. I couldn't take off in an I-16 until I figured this out. The longer you keep both your gear down on the runway, the better.

(5) fly away at low angle and keep speed above stalling


Now, it you found takeoffs hard, you're in for a real treat -- trying to land in one piece without stalling early or crunching your gear and doing a nice ground loop. Good luck!!

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 06:50 PM
Merlin,

There is a bit of a bug in IL2, that makes the plane roll when the tail lifts. You have to ready for it, and not let it get away from you. You need to use aileron to correct it. Do some take offs in chase view (F8), so you can watch it. Once you get a feel for it. Jump back in the cockpit, and repeat what you learned. It will get easier in time../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 03:54 PM
up up and away.

I've managed to learn how to take off now in a few planes by adjusting the sensitivity of my joystick. That was the key.

Now, landing is another story. Also, I don't seem to be able to turn sharply on the ground when taxing to the runway. Gonna have a look in controls to see if there's something I missed.


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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 04:13 PM
i dont even use flaps lol. i just start my engine and then throttle up! But with fw190's i have to ue runway becuae thier gears are weak!

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fluke39
07-19-2003, 04:15 PM
to turn sharply on the ground hold your brakes down and put your throttle to about 40 - 50 % (or whtever you need ) and apply full rudder in the direction you want to turn - this is only really when starting from static though(or when moving slowly - but watch your brakes when moving as it can flip you up if you use it too much) - when moving (quickly)you can't really turn sharply

taking off- sensitivity is the key (as dex says) - for ages i pulled up to sharply on take off and almost always stalled - you need to pull back very gently and level off a bit when airbourne to pick up airspeed

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Message Edited on 07/19/0304:18PM by fluke39

XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 08:18 PM
Landing will take time, start with the iL not a fighter. 150kmh 0r 160kmh should be an ok speed to land but becarfull not to desend to fast or you will destroy you landing gear and crash. Have fun.

XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 10:14 PM
I have to land that fast? Wow, how the hell do i stop before end of runway.

Time to hit the game and start practcing.

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XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 12:43 AM
All fine advice for takeoffs! My twopenneth added: learning to anticipate the planes movements is critical, once achieved you can take off in anything first time and wonder what all the fuss was about. It took me ages to be able to do this properly (slow learner) but now some of the liberties one can take border on the absurd:

JH

XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 01:59 AM
Remeber Practice, you have to time it right. When you are getting close to your base, start slowing down. Dont evan etempt to land if your 100m in alt by the time you reach the runway. I usualy try to be at 50m alt just before my nose is over the run way. about 150kmh gently desend, once you tuoch the runway turn your throttle back to 15%, so you can still use your rudder to steer. Lock your tail weel and Tap on the brakes. Also if you need to, reduse your Prop pich to about 20, this should help slow the plane.
Thats about all the advice I can give, Iv only been flying for three months.
Get yourself the Hyperlobby and connect to FB. Once there look up top where it say's Hyperlobby Pro, below this if you click on it it will show Players Lists, click on it. There should be two lists. One on the Left-Not in game and on the Right-in game. If you see 310thSilent in the Not in game list, click on it and move down to Send-Pager Message. Send me a message and I will get a server running and help you out some more.
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XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 03:16 AM
to make taking off real easy throttle up slowly and wait for it to get to 200 speed. (the faster the easier. oh yeah and go easy on the throttle when starting

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