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avk111
06-09-2015, 04:24 PM
Good day Nation,

I would like to ask, is Ubisoft planning to leave the whole "Avatar" concept out of "Assassin's Creed" games ? if you dont know whats the avatar concept its basically playing as a person who acts as the dual identity - the real time persona, of the assassin. example from famous work of fiction / pop culture would be:

1-Neo (Real world ) - Neo (Matrix world)

2- Sword Art Online (Real World hero) - (Virtual World Hero)

3- Bruce Wayne - Batman

4- Peter Parker - Spiderman

In the Assassin's Creed franchise, we experienced this concept with Desmond Miles having a different persona with Altair , Ezio , Connor.

In the later titles, we experienced this dual identity (though under first person perspective) with Edward, Shay, Arno.

In some mini-titles such as Assassin's Creed Chronicles the persona did not exist.

However I find this concept acts as a catalyst for players who thrive on relating to the realism and engagement with the Assassin's Creed series.

Since it gives tension in relation between the basic character and the hero character, not to mention it also gives a human side to the overall hero concept.

The alter-self gives more connection to the overall game as well , I mean think about it if you see the hero doing hero work most of the time the experience will become repetitive and eventually tedious and boring, psychologically , we as players would like to experience the ups and downs of the mythology especially within the whole hero prespective in order to feed on continuous new stimuli and let the experience enjoyable.

This is one of the most profound concepts I have personally found when I started playing Assassins Creed One.

Do you think Ubisoft will continue on using this frame of work for future Assassin's Creed titles ?

Sorrosyss
06-09-2015, 07:58 PM
All I can say is, you are not alone in wanting an avatar return. Frankly I want a full voiced protagonist back. All we do know is that the modern day will be more robust in the next few titles, and that's about all we have got out of Ubisoft on the matter. I personally believe they have taken the message that the Unity model was highly disliked, and I personally expect a lot more within Syndicate. Should that include a new modern day hero/heroine, we can only hope and speculate at this point. But I agree with you, the older template with Desmond had much stronger storytelling.

SixKeys
06-09-2015, 08:41 PM
I think the people (some, at least) who cried for the devs to drop modern day didn't really want modern day to be nonexistent, just better. People always said how boring the Desmond segments were because you weren't doing much, the missions were restrictive and Desmond was rather nondescript as a character. If we had a modern day that was exciting and immersive, with an enjoyable, well-rounded character, fans would be more receptive to modern day being part of the games.

avk111
06-10-2015, 03:00 PM
All I can say is, you are not alone in wanting an avatar return. Frankly I want a full voiced protagonist back. All we do know is that the modern day will be more robust in the next few titles, and that's about all we have got out of Ubisoft on the matter. I personally believe they have taken the message that the Unity model was highly disliked, and I personally expect a lot more within Syndicate. Should that include a new modern day hero/heroine, we can only hope and speculate at this point. But I agree with you, the older template with Desmond had much stronger storytelling.


I hope so,

One of the main core concepts that captivated me about Assassins Creed 2 was that Ezio and Desmond look excatly the same, which in turn gave me this prespective and insight whereby everytime I was playing as Ezio , it was as if Desmond was under that hood, This concept changed however as AC3 was introduced (Since Connor and Desmond look nothing the same) however if you look at the origin of the word Animus , it can be interpretted as "Spirit" and since im a fan of dual-identity heroes and protagonists , everytime I was playing as Connor , I knew that Desmond's psyche "spirit" was there controlling Connor as he battles the templars.

Its a very deep idea that Im sure if Ubisoft knew how to efficiently maximize the play with this concept they would create a really strong bond of characters and protagonists, not to mention a story that will live for ages to come.

Read the following article:

The artistic purpose of the dual identity on the part of the writers is that it allows the characters to have two or more ordinary and extraordinary lives, which can allow for human drama as well as create tension (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspense) with the effort needed to preserve the connection between the identities. This can include challenges such as throwing off the suspicions of associates who suspect, and the need to quickly improvise means to get out of sight to change identities. And superhuman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhuman) characters may benefit from an everyman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everyman) aspect through having a dual identity, giving them asympathetic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathy) link to their audience. For example, Captain Marvel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_Comics))'s secret identity is a boy named Billy Batson - a deliberate attempt to play on the daydreams of a young readership.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
Some common motivations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivation) for a character to keep a secret identity include:


Allowing the character to live a "normal life" when not fighting crime.
Preventing the hero's enemies from seeking revenge on others the hero may care about.
Giving the hero an advantage in crime fighting (e.g. Batman or The Shadow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow) striking fear into criminals).
Gaining timely information on incidents as they happen, often through their occupation or that of their associates (e.g. a reporter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporter) or a newscaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newscaster) would likely be more informed about incidents that a hero might be able to help with).
Aliens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_extraterrestrials), upon coming to Earth, may choose to set up one or more secret identities as a learning tool. By pretending to be humans, they can explore the different roles and lives that a regular human is expected to have in his/her or her life and using their deeper understanding of human condition to help others.
To avoid legal ramifications or public scrutiny due to accountability with the collateral damage superheroes are often involved with.