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F19_Ob
05-10-2004, 03:16 PM
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Call me crazy...... but I like to watch "others" online tracks.
I enjoy greatly when people describes their personal tactics and ideas...but I wish they would include onlinetracks.

I'm a pretty good 109'er and I've learned a lot from examining my own tracks, trying to see and correct my mistakes, and also to cycle through the other players to try to figure out their tricks.

I fly mostly on "GreaterGreen"
server, wich in my opinion have lots of interresting regulars and many of them are aces ,decent guys.
(I have my favorites ) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Its very interresting and educating to see how others see from their cockpit and how they "work" in different planes. From this alone U can gain tactical understanding of many aspects of combat ,for example tracking and deflectionshooting.

I dont fly all planes. Mostly 109,p40,p39 and a few others too.
Since the planes and individuals are different
there will be quite many variations in fightingstyle.


If anyone of U have a track where U shoot me down plz feel free to post it...... I wont mind http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif



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Now and then I post onlinetracks from GG With explanations and tactics. I noticed I had still one available on the web.... feel free to take a peek.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=380104843

Im about to post another 109 vs p39 track. Wintermap this time. I have some interresting bounce tracks too. In two I get bounced.

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Special thanx to "superluminal" for the tacticslesson......I use it all the time now.

o.b ....diving and screaming like a little schoolgirl. It doesn't always work though.
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F19_Ob
05-10-2004, 03:16 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Call me crazy...... but I like to watch "others" online tracks.
I enjoy greatly when people describes their personal tactics and ideas...but I wish they would include onlinetracks.

I'm a pretty good 109'er and I've learned a lot from examining my own tracks, trying to see and correct my mistakes, and also to cycle through the other players to try to figure out their tricks.

I fly mostly on "GreaterGreen"
server, wich in my opinion have lots of interresting regulars and many of them are aces ,decent guys.
(I have my favorites ) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Its very interresting and educating to see how others see from their cockpit and how they "work" in different planes. From this alone U can gain tactical understanding of many aspects of combat ,for example tracking and deflectionshooting.

I dont fly all planes. Mostly 109,p40,p39 and a few others too.
Since the planes and individuals are different
there will be quite many variations in fightingstyle.


If anyone of U have a track where U shoot me down plz feel free to post it...... I wont mind http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif



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Now and then I post onlinetracks from GG With explanations and tactics. I noticed I had still one available on the web.... feel free to take a peek.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=380104843

Im about to post another 109 vs p39 track. Wintermap this time. I have some interresting bounce tracks too. In two I get bounced.

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Special thanx to "superluminal" for the tacticslesson......I use it all the time now.

o.b ....diving and screaming like a little schoolgirl. It doesn't always work though.
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

F19_Ob
05-11-2004, 03:01 AM
o.b ....diving and screaming like a little schoolgirl.

jurinko
05-11-2004, 08:18 AM
http://www.scitech.sk/svz/viewtopic.php?t=356
http://www.scitech.sk/svz/viewtopic.php?t=387

being not the ace myself yet, but some of these tracks are quite cool.
click the links on the webpages above.. the tracks are in form like >HL_Fw190A5shootsYak-3.ntrk<

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Letka.13/Liptow @ HL

BpGemini
05-11-2004, 08:36 AM
Online tracks are tough to trade because of their size. Unless you have gobs of web space to host them, you have to get personal by trading through e-mail or FTP or equivalent and e-mail isn't even effective most of the time because of the size transfer limitations.

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F19_Ob
05-11-2004, 08:48 AM
Thanx Jurinko I will watch those with great interrest..


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BpGemini...Yes ntrk tracks were too big for me too, but then I edit my tracks by making a new, shorter track of the most important part of the original with the quickrecording function.

To get rid of the wierd lageffect from the beginning of the track I pause the track, hit recording and wait 2 secs before I unpause. and then U just have to stop the recording where I want it to end...and voila! a shorter track. I make them about 500kb ,1mb or 2mb.

On my Tripod account (free) I can upload maximum 2mb files( although it sometimes can take 20mins to upload) and I can have quite many files before I run out of space.


there u go http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

diomedes33
05-11-2004, 09:25 AM
This a great idea. The tracks Jurniko posted were very helpful. Thanks

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F19_Ob
05-11-2004, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jurinko:
http://www.scitech.sk/svz/viewtopic.php?t=356
http://www.scitech.sk/svz/viewtopic.php?t=387

being not the ace myself yet, but some of these tracks are quite cool.
click the links on the webpages above.. the tracks are in form like &gt;HL_Fw190A5shootsYak-3.ntrk&lt;

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Letka.13/Liptow @ HL
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Thanx again Jurinko for posting your tracks I downloaded all of them. It was interresting to watch and I really enjoyed it.

Hope U dont mind me giving a few tips or suggestions? In general it looked fine, U hit your targets well and climbed away alright.

You could work on your lookaround routine a bit.
Some time ago I noticed that my lookaroundroutine was quite bad for an ace ( ok now I said it...ok I'm quite good but I still often do too many mistakes. I like to say I'm a random ace).


The problem in a sim is that u cant lean your head to watch past cockpitbars, instead u have to move the plane more while looking around , and if u aren't used to that u loose too much speed in the process.

U ofcourse see best when outzoomed.
= bigger field of vision.


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My routine is like this.

1 Directly after takeoff ( takeoff as fast as possible) a wide turn and look back+up and watch inside the turn. Back+up gives a better field of view than just looking back and I have a button on my joystick asigned to the upview...so with my left hand I press the up button while the right hand presses the tophat to look back left or right.

2 On my way to the battle area I try to climb to atleast 3000m or more and while climbing I do wide turns and look behind+up and also below me by rolling inverted or almost inverted.

3 Like U I circle over the battle area and search through my side window looking down in the turns.

4 If I spot a plane below I check my rear a last time before diving after him.

5 When I climb, after a BnZ attack or just climbing for altitude I turn widely and search my rear and up position and sometimes rollin while looking back+up or up in the climb. After a shot down enemy I try to always make a turn and look behind.

6 same routine when i go home.

7 mostly I do the shortest combatlandings possible With violent s-turns or one single sharp turn to bleed as much speed as possible(no long approaches), sometimes switching off the engine to slow down faster. While doing these violent turns I search my rear. and turn aside to the grass from the runway so other can land.


This is what I "try" to do but I still often forget to. Its easy to forget when U see other movement in the sky, U tend to be fixated at movement.

Anyway , since I started this lookarounroutine I spot a lot more planes than before and many times in the last second.It really helps. Nowadays I even look behind me during a dogfight quite often ,without losing track of my target.


And after combat I more often remember to make a climbing turn+ look back+up and then a diving turn in the opposit direction + look back+up. This gives a good view around U.

U can see this in my posted track.

I'm still working on to remember the routine and not to get fixated with all unimportant objects in view. For example I try not to watch enemyplanes I've shot down too long since they are already finnished.


plz feel free to comment....


cheers

F19_Ob
05-11-2004, 03:22 PM
Uploading tracks takes time. Some poetry while we wait?

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"My chamberpot is blue and red, without tactics u end up dead".


"see U later elevator"

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Short original poems by o.b 2004 copyright o.b

JG27_Aristo
05-12-2004, 01:04 AM
well not an ace but here is a track i use to help my guys some.

http://www.jg27.net/files/crips.ntrk

S! Aristo

F19_Ob
05-12-2004, 07:42 AM
Jeees Aristo!! Ur track really startled me for a while....Shooting at friendly planes like that...hehe. It took me a minute to understand that the other guy in the same plane was the enemy....I thought U were wingmen...and then u suddenly start shooting at him http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

I'm so into the GreaterGreen settings that I forgot that there exists other variations.
(wich is fine by me)


I noticed that padlock was used, it really messed up my head (got dizzy). How do U cope with padlock in a furball?
I saw that lots of info about the surroundings got lost when u used that function.
I used padlock once or twice in the old cfs1 days( I think it was), it didnt work for me then either.

U sure kicked Ur frinds but there although he was a bit on the disadvantage.

thnx for sharing

Curly_109
05-12-2004, 07:59 AM
excellent idea for tracks... don't know why they are available on this official site (yes they are but for IL-2 versions not even for FB not to mention ACES http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif).

like to watch some good tracks too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Mechy01
05-12-2004, 08:10 AM
~S~ These tracks are from the China championship earlier this year...1 vs 1....and 2 vs 2....

http://www.saitek.ru/champ/icas/rec/

F19_Ob
05-12-2004, 12:21 PM
Good link Mechy01.

The interresting with these is that u can watch the individual tracks of the participants.
I liked 2 vs 2.
I also understand that in a contest all should fly the same plane, But I admit I have some problems with shooting at a plane of the same model as my own, although tactical info is still available.
I prefer axis vs allies and I'm happy to fly on either side.

Perhaps I'm to serious and conservative after all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif (not really).

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There was A track with some formationflying (display) with four p51d's.
It would be fun to try that type of flying sometime.

Those boys really messed up at landing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
I would probably done that too.....Typically me.


Thnx again!

Locust_
05-12-2004, 12:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
Online tracks are tough to trade because of their size. Unless you have gobs of web space to host them, you have to get personal by trading through e-mail or FTP or equivalent and e-mail isn't even effective most of the time because of the size transfer limitations.

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dude get ICQ we swap um all the time

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F19_Ob
05-12-2004, 12:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Locust_:

dude get ICQ we swap um all the time

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Soo....Mr Locust....U are sitting on some tracks eh. Why not swap sum our way'ish? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

BpGemini
05-12-2004, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Locust_:
dude get ICQ we swap um all the time<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Used to have it. I loath chat programs but that would make it doable.

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Locust_
05-12-2004, 01:34 PM
ya I hate thoes chat progies 2, icq is good for 1 thing....

swaping files...

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MosDef_99th
05-12-2004, 08:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Aristo:
well not an ace ......
http://www.jg27.net/files/crips.ntrk

S! Aristo<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

uhhh.....yeah right.........I'd hate to meet a real "ace".

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F19_Ob
05-13-2004, 06:51 AM
.....cough........more poetry ?