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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 06:19 AM
I just bought the sidewinder FF2. I had bought the precision 2, non-force feedback to avoid the cost of the FF 2, but wasn't happy with the precision.Now i can't seem to get the self centering device to work in Il2 FB.
I set up the spring to high or medium and when i go in to test it, sometimes it works and most often it doesn't, and when i do get it to test, it's always the "high" setting, changing it to low or medium doesn't seem to affect it??
In game, the only way i can get it to work for sure is to have force feedback toggle on. The problem is that i don't want the force feedback on and again, the centering feel is always on "high"
Any suggestions??
I thought maybe it had to do with the precision 2 soft ware that i had mistakenly left on my hard drive when i installed the FF 2 software, so i uninsalled them and the FF2 drivers and then did a complete re-instal of the FF2 drivers, but the problem still exists.
Mani

"An excellent weapon and luck had been on my side. To be successfful, the best fighter pilot needs both"
Adolph Galland

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 06:19 AM
I just bought the sidewinder FF2. I had bought the precision 2, non-force feedback to avoid the cost of the FF 2, but wasn't happy with the precision.Now i can't seem to get the self centering device to work in Il2 FB.
I set up the spring to high or medium and when i go in to test it, sometimes it works and most often it doesn't, and when i do get it to test, it's always the "high" setting, changing it to low or medium doesn't seem to affect it??
In game, the only way i can get it to work for sure is to have force feedback toggle on. The problem is that i don't want the force feedback on and again, the centering feel is always on "high"
Any suggestions??
I thought maybe it had to do with the precision 2 soft ware that i had mistakenly left on my hard drive when i installed the FF 2 software, so i uninsalled them and the FF2 drivers and then did a complete re-instal of the FF2 drivers, but the problem still exists.
Mani

"An excellent weapon and luck had been on my side. To be successfful, the best fighter pilot needs both"
Adolph Galland

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 06:53 AM
never tried adjusting the centring .. will test it when i get home


FFB on , once it is working properly, is the better option though

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 09:34 AM
Manicoti wrote:
- I set up the spring to high or medium and when i go
- in to test it, sometimes it works and most often it
- doesn't, and when i do get it to test, it's always
- the "high" setting, changing it to low or medium
- doesn't seem to affect it??

I had exactly the same problem. I suspect you are
running XP. It is a known bug. Since Microsoft have
dropped the Sidewinder product line don't expect
a fix anytime soon. I had to reinstall with Windows
2000 to get past the problem.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 09:43 AM
If you have windows XP (like me) you aren't supposed to install the sidewinder software at all. Wierd things can happen.

You should unplug the joystick from everything, uninstall the software, and then reinstall the stick (just let windows XP recognize it).

If you want to play with the forces (like me) then use the Fedit program to modify the force feedback files in IL2/FB.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 10:43 AM
Yep uninstall the Sidewinder software and you'll have your centering.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:59 AM
Hmmmm.

Some baloney here.

I have MSFFB2.

Software works superbly.
No other way of assigning keystrokes to buttons, and this to me is essential!

Tip:

Like the manual says do NOT plug the stick in until AFTER installing the software. Then plug the stick in.

Before doing this go into device manager and remove all entries relating to the Sidewinder.

I use WinXP, MSFFB2, X45 and CH Pro USB pedals and have had no issues whatsoever.

Be aware that there is a known issue with VIA chipsets that a patch is available.

Also a drop to desktop from with in game will neuter the centreing forces until a respawn.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 12:16 PM
B16Enk wrote:
- Be aware that there is a known issue with VIA
- chipsets that a patch is available.

It's not a VIA chipset issue.

There's an entry regarding
it on Microsoft's knowledge base. Maybe RayBan is correct
in that there may be alternative ways of editing the stick
forces. However, I found that the stick was not recognised
under XP without installing the sidewinder software. The
knowledge base article certainly doesn't give any hints
such as letting XP handle it in some way (which I tried
when I was having problems a few weeks ago, and like I said,
I couldn't get the stick to be recognised without the
software install, and no sign of standalone drivers, but
maybe I missed where they are located).

What I did notice, though, is that dropping to the desktop
would make the force feedback work correctly. It would
totally kill the centring force, but the other forces
would suddenly become what I set them too. Weird...

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 12:21 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- ...
- If you want to play with the forces (like me) then
- use the Fedit program to modify the force feedback
- files in IL2/FB.
- ...

where can I download this "Fedit" program?

I would like to set the forces as well. I have win XP. The stick works properly in the game but seems that there is no way to adjust the forces...

thx in advance




S!*Umaydie*

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 01:32 PM
AaronGT wrote:
- There's an entry regarding
- it on Microsoft's knowledge base.

Only article close that I could find that related was:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;224555 "SideWinder Force Feedback: Return To Center Force Does Not Function in Certain Games"

Specifically:

SYMPTOMS
When you use the Microsoft Force Feedback Pro joystick with any of the Microsoft programs listed at the beginning of this article, the Return To Center force is disabled. However, the Return To Center force functions properly on the Test Forces tab in the Game Controllers tool in Control Panel. Also, the joystick handle may drop left or right and lose tension instead of being straight.
CAUSE
This behavior can occur because some games disable the Return To Center force to allow you to feel subtle forces such as wind or a stall, and to duplicate the feel of a plane's joystick or yoke, which in real life does not return to center automatically.
STATUS
This behavior is by design.


- Maybe RayBan is correct in that there may be alternative ways of editing the stick forces.

Yes there are, it's called fedit and is part of the DX9 developers kit, a free but large (for 56K anyway) download.

- However, I found that the stick was not recognised under XP without installing the sidewinder software.

I found that mine was recognised without the software (I did a test when I rebuilt my system) but the loss of the programability (does that word exist /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ) was 'felt'.

- The knowledge base article certainly doesn't give any
- hints such as letting XP handle it in some way (which I
- tried when I was having problems a few weeks ago, and
- like I said, I couldn't get the stick to be recognised
- without the software install, and no sign of standalone
- drivers, but maybe I missed where they are located).

Any chance of a link to the knowledge base article? As an 'old hand' at searching the knowledge base (part of my job in Network support) Iam unable to find it. Didn't search under XP as I'm feeling a little lazy (actually I'm too busy doing my job /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif )

- What I did notice, though, is that dropping to the
- desktop would make the force feedback work correctly. It
- would totally kill the centring force, but the other
- forces would suddenly become what I set them too.
- Weird...
-
That's an FB issue I understand. And weird is how it feels without the centreing forces....

I have got the MSFFB2 to work with the sidewinder 4.0 software on several XP PC's BTW.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 01:37 PM
B16Enk wrote:
- Only article close that I could find that related
- was:

That's not the one. It's an XP specific reference.
I probably didn't keep the link since I've changed
back to Windows 2000 now.

- I found that mine was recognised without the
- software (I did a test when I rebuilt my system)

Weird. XP totally refused to acknowledge its existence
for me.

- Any chance of a link to the knowledge base article?

If I can find the link, yes. But I probably didn't
bother keeping the link. I resintalled 2k from scratch
and wasn't careful about keeping old links to XP information, sadly.

- As an 'old hand' at searching the knowledge base
- (part of my job in Network support) Iam unable to
- find it. Didn't search under XP as I'm feeling a
- little lazy

It's a specific XP issue.

If you look through back issues of the IL2 technical
forum, I did post the link in there about 4 weeks or so
ago.

- I have got the MSFFB2 to work with the sidewinder
- 4.0 software on several XP PC's BTW.

I get the impression it's hit and miss. Other people
in our squadron got it to work under XP, at least one
other couldn't AFAIK. It's not obviously tied to motherboard
design, as the other one who had a problem has a different
CPU and motherboard to me.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 01:44 PM
Umaydie wrote:
-
- where can I download this "Fedit" program?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/downloads/list/directx.asp this is the SDK for Directx and the force editor is part of it.........

- I would like to set the forces as well. I have win
- XP. The stick works properly in the game but seems
- that there is no way to adjust the forces...
-
- thx in advance
-
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PM me and I'll mail them to you (If I get too many I'll put them on my web site /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )...

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 01:47 PM
AaronGT wrote:
-
A fair bit and I'll not repeat it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Thanks M8...I'll head over to the XP knowledge base.

Bl@@dy frustrating for some. I guess I'm lucky.

You may be right about the mobo/cpu link, I did spot one article about Gateway PC's having issues as well as the VIA chipset one.

Thanks for your time.......

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 01:47 PM
Thanks for all the replies.
I re-installed the software last night and went straight into a quick mission and had the return to center force work but at the highest setting. I left the software set with the force feedback at high as well and then disabled the ff ingame to fix that problem which also work.
Looks like as long as i don't make any changes or save any custom profiles, it'll work. I'll just have to get used to the High force of return to center, which in my opinion is much better then no return to center feel.
Thanks,
Mani

BTW: i should have mentioned that i am running XP pro

"An excellent weapon and luck had been on my side. To be successfful, the best fighter pilot needs both"
Adolph Galland