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EFG_Zeb
03-30-2004, 07:21 AM
Mr Maddox,

First me and my squadmates want to thank you for this outstanding simulator.

I have a sugestion but it may have been posted before.
Some of us like to play with no external views in coop mode. Could it be possible to be able to have an option for external views when dead but not inflight if desired?
So that it is more realistic inflight but when you die you can still watch your comrades fly...

"See, Decide, Attack, Reverse or Coffee Break" E.H.

EFG_Zeb
03-30-2004, 07:21 AM
Mr Maddox,

First me and my squadmates want to thank you for this outstanding simulator.

I have a sugestion but it may have been posted before.
Some of us like to play with no external views in coop mode. Could it be possible to be able to have an option for external views when dead but not inflight if desired?
So that it is more realistic inflight but when you die you can still watch your comrades fly...

"See, Decide, Attack, Reverse or Coffee Break" E.H.

blabla0001
03-30-2004, 07:42 AM
It would be used for cheating since you can tell your buddies what's going around them via the comms.

Osirisx9
03-30-2004, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
It would be used for cheating since you can tell your buddies what's going around them via the comms.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't it already used for cheating... At least Zeb's idea would solve at least part of the problem. Also not everyone uses comms but any dishonorable person in a session with externals enabled can get a fix on another aircraft while he is in flight. At least with Zebs idea the dishonorable person wont have the advantage of already being airborn. By the time he gets airborn the aircraft that he/she are trying to track will be in a different position and that same cheater wont be able to switch to externnals while in flight. Another way would be to just disable enemy view while in flight.

Osiris_X9.

blabla0001
03-30-2004, 08:25 AM
You completely missed the point Osirisx9, what he suggests is when you play without external views that when you die you have the option to use external view to see what's going on.

That would add the cheating, not solve part of it.

Osirisx9
03-30-2004, 08:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
You completely missed the point Osirisx9, what he suggests is when you play _without_ external views that when you die you have the option to use external view to see what's going on.

That would add the cheating, not solve part of it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sry bout that I just re-read the post. Guess I had too much beer last night.

Osiris_X9

blabla0001
03-30-2004, 08:45 AM
You can never have too much beer periode. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Gershy
03-30-2004, 08:58 AM
I think it would be nice as a new option:

outside views on, outside views off and outside views off while flying on as soon as dead.

Would be a nice feature for some trainings and COOPs so you can watch the others fighting after you died. The outside off choice should still be there for online wars and stuff just for the reasons the other posters named already.

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TacticalSkirmsh
03-30-2004, 09:50 AM
Made the suggestion a few weeks back myself mate!

Having started squad play with online campaigns, this suggestion makes even more sense in my opinion.

Again, no externals to be absolutely sure no one cheats, especially when visitors or two squads are playing. We're only human right?

But once you are dead then be allowed to watch instead of sitting there until the next mission loads in the campaign.

Good point about comms though. Must admit that we were helping out our surviving mates and obviously shouldn't be. This can be addressed by agreeing to refraim from doing so (others can hear so it shouldn't be hard to enforce).

Also, perhaps the "dead pilots" are required to go to a neutral channel (TeamSpeak) so they can enjoy watching/talking while the rest finish the mission.

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Snoop_Baron
03-30-2004, 12:09 PM
Yes it would be a good option as well as an option for externals while wheels are on the ground for just your own plane to prevent having to restart coops because of planes crashing into each other on the ground.

Ofcourse people can use it to cheat if you don't trust those who you are flying a coop with or hosting a DF server for then simply don't use the option. It really is that simple.

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609IAP_Recon
03-30-2004, 03:26 PM
Get rid of externals online and use this instead - just when dead.

That would be good.

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crazyivan1970
03-30-2004, 03:59 PM
In addition to original post... not only when you died... simple spectators view like in many FPS games. You can either be in the game...or you can spectate. Died - switch to spectactors mod and enjoy the show. Don`t feel like flying...join in spectactors mode and watch others fly/fight/die http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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FA_Maddog
03-30-2004, 04:10 PM
NO!!! Leave it the way it is. If you want to see the action after you die, have the externals on. Too many squadmates would use this to be extra "eyes" for those that are alive.

Januss
03-30-2004, 05:15 PM
No , it is a very good idea to grant external views when you are dead or on the ground after a mission , because this is a source of problems in the squads.
The problem of people helping their friends can be resolved easily : either you activate the "spectator mode" only to your side planes , or you just fly with people you trust .
While the actual situation is that a lot of players are frustrated to wait 1 hour with a black screen ,it will be cool if this could be changed in the game for the benefit of the online players .
Why don't we make a poll ?

Snoop_Baron
03-30-2004, 05:29 PM
It's an option if you don't like it don't use it. No need to force the rest of us to play your way.

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Snoop_Baron
03-30-2004, 05:30 PM
A dedicated spectator mode is also a very good idea http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Enofinu
03-30-2004, 05:31 PM
"You can never have too much beer periode."

Thats what u think cappadocian...
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EFG_Zeb
03-31-2004, 01:01 AM
Yes! A spectator mode!!! That's the kind of thing I was thinking about!
Thank you everybody for your support. I think it would satisfy the greater number.
As for the cheating, yes others with comms could be extra eyes, but I think it would still be minimal. Again it would only be an option so that those who want none of it could totally disable externals...

Please Mr Maddox, could you consider this?

Regards.

"See, Decide, Attack, Reverse or Coffee Break" E.H.

blabla0001
03-31-2004, 01:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Enofinu:
"You can never have too much beer periode."

Thats what u think cappadocian...
just ask Oleg about guy in the Beijing-Wuhan train http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Fehler
03-31-2004, 02:38 AM
This mode would be much much appreciated.

I know this is NOT a good comparison, but I recall FPS game Counterstrike including this function.

In addition to the "Externals when dead only" CS did not allow you to bring up a chat bar when dead. I dont really like this idea, but perhaps a "Chat to all ONLY" when dead function could be included. That way, the other team would know if you were cheating or not (At least if you were not on a comm program)

Plus, perhaps a "Kick while idle/dead" setting so the server could kick you in a prescribed time limit. Thus, in dogfight servers you wouldnt have a guy dead for hours directing his teammates, or worse, using a dedicated "Dead" computer to give him radar.

Externals are nice. The game is so nice to see, but quite frankly, externals always on gives an unrealistic ability of a pilot to see his dead six, find enemy targets, and/or exploit other visibility issues like poor weather, or clouds.

It is the single most reason I almost refuse to fly external setting servers, which is too bad because there are a lot of good ones out there.

Live externals remove the surprise element of dogfighting, which was the number 1 cause of pilot deaths in WWII! So truthfully, people that use externals while alive cheat themselves of a truly immursive feeling while playing this sim. IMHO of course...

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FA_Maddog
03-31-2004, 07:23 AM
Very well said Fehler.

F16_Petter
03-31-2004, 08:26 AM
Whats all the fuzz about?

Just add a realism button option for it.
End of argue!

Ultrarealism/IL2junkies cheater paranoia-players will swith it off, for i.e VEF2 or VOW

But innocent players that fly coops or even squads that fly a coop can have it on, but externals off.

Also i like fehlers idea that you cannot parse through enemy planes, only the objects belonging to your own side.

Being dead is very boring in IL2, just as in real life
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EFG_Zeb
04-01-2004, 01:21 AM
Yes F16_Petter, that would do it for everybody I believe.
I hope Oleg will take this into consideration.

"See, Decide, Attack, Reverse or Coffee Break" E.H.

Mithel
04-01-2004, 01:28 PM
This would be a nice feature. Our group prefers to play with no external view except for when on the ground and when dead, thus we allow external views all the time (but we'd like to prohibit them while in the air).

I used to be completely in favor of realism (always flying from inside the cockpit) but now I find I'm enjoying popping outside my aircraft and checking out my own damage... not realistic but it is fun.

- Mithel

EFG_Zeb
04-03-2004, 10:19 AM
Bump...

"See, Decide, Attack, Reverse or Coffee Break" E.H.

Capt_Haddock
04-03-2004, 10:33 AM
Good idea. I think this has been a request since the IL2 days. I'd definitely be up for it. I'd love to follow the dogfights when they shoot me down.

Another suggestion fo an anti-cheat view:
What about allowing you to see the no-cockpit view of any of the planes on your side?

It won't be as nice as a proper external view, but this will be 100% cheat-free as you'd only see what you squad mates would be already seeing anyway. No posible "break!" warnings through TeamSpeak, and it'll give you something to see after you die in a coop.
Good thing is that the game wouldn't need to load any extra cockpit graphics as this view only has a generic aiming point.

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EFG_Zeb
04-06-2004, 03:56 AM
I think all these ideas are nice.

But basically, being able to enable or disable these options :

External views (as we have it today) on/off
External views Only when dead on/off

and/or perhaps a Spectator mode

I believe this would keep it simple, go a long way and satisfy the greater number...

Would you consider this Mr Maddox?

"See, Decide, Attack, Reverse or Coffee Break" E.H.