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Hawgdog
05-27-2004, 11:46 AM
What are the village elders flying now that the patch has been out?
I see more F-2/F-4's than I have in a year+.
Lots of 185's, not sure if thats the new noob plane or not, but I dig it.
A mix of everything else but the increase of F series 109's has peaked me curiosity.

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Hawgdog
05-27-2004, 11:46 AM
What are the village elders flying now that the patch has been out?
I see more F-2/F-4's than I have in a year+.
Lots of 185's, not sure if thats the new noob plane or not, but I dig it.
A mix of everything else but the increase of F series 109's has peaked me curiosity.

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Heavy_Weather
05-27-2004, 12:00 PM
the mg's and cannon fire seem to be a little stronger now.

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Venom079
05-27-2004, 12:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heavy_Weather:
the mg's and cannon fire seem to be a little stronger now.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree: LW guns are alot more potent now...

Zen--
05-27-2004, 12:07 PM
I'm still flying my uber-noob late war phantasy Ta152, I really REALLY dig the FM in 2.01. She handles as I would expect it to in real life compared to the Dora...at once the same yet very different. It's just a rock solid enjoyable plane to fly now, the ultimate FW (which I guess it probably ought to be, based on real life anecdotes)

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geetarman
05-27-2004, 12:10 PM
I'm splitting my time bewteen the P-38 and P-47 (this one is becoming dangerous http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

arcadeace
05-27-2004, 12:20 PM
I'm only off-line but I've flown all the American planes and enjoy every one. I've had fun with the Spits too, and every bi-plane. Also, I think the AI enemy aces are more challenging.

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05-27-2004, 12:31 PM
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p1ngu666
05-27-2004, 12:42 PM
uve been soon tobe p63 vet for ages
whats holdin ya back?:P

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Dawg-of-death
05-27-2004, 12:52 PM
I don't like 185. I think it suks.

Before he was unjustly banned I new the greatest Dawg. He flew nothing but the LA-7 Tres Humbres. He always retuned to base .

In his memery that is what I fly .......
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TgD Thunderbolt56
05-27-2004, 12:54 PM
I fly them all. Heck, I even flew the A6M5a last night! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

I was just ecstatic to be home. (greatergreen is back in the saddle and as smooth as ever http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif )



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RedDeth
05-27-2004, 01:04 PM
i used to fly basically one plane with a second. now i fly many. SPIT9 HF, SPIT9 C, K4, 190A6, TA152, JUG, STANG, P38, YAK3P, DORA.

why? the field has been leveled. most planes now have enough good qualities to be a threat.

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tigerroach
05-27-2004, 01:08 PM
Prepatch: Bf109F.

Postpatch: Bf109F.

I like to get to know one bird real well. I may try some others after a while, then again I may just stand pat until PF comes out and I switch to Wildcats and Hellcats.

p1ngu666
05-27-2004, 01:11 PM
tiger, try other planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
your missing out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
try the biplanes, there really fun http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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MEGILE
05-27-2004, 01:12 PM
Mustang http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Giganoni
05-27-2004, 01:26 PM
Mostly flying Japanese planes, 109g2, fiat g.50 and sometimes the 110. I don't understand the meaning of allied planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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egypt23
05-27-2004, 02:06 PM
LA-7

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F19_Orheim
05-27-2004, 02:14 PM
Any biplane I can get my hands on...

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PBNA-Flanker
05-27-2004, 03:03 PM
i fly the yak 1, 3 & 7 a lot more now.. and always my trust MiG-3U

BpGemini
05-27-2004, 03:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
uve been soon tobe p63 vet for ages
whats holdin ya back?:P<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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GAU-8
05-27-2004, 04:07 PM
im still flyin the YAK 9K since IL2 days..if its not broke, dont fix it.

i have no need to fly anything else..unless the server doesnt have a 9K..then i am forced to fly stuff i dont like..(which is all of them)

Maj_Death
05-27-2004, 04:11 PM
Me-163 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

I'm not really joking either, that seems to be my primary ride now. I don't care if anyone will fight me or not in it, that is a FUN ride. Other than that I think my primary ride these days is the "uber sh*t plane" also known as the G.50.

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PBNA-Boosher
05-27-2004, 04:11 PM
I've been flying the same planes I've been flyin since FB came out, with one new additon!

Fighters:
P-40
Yak-1
Yak-1b

And now!
P-38!

Bombers: (WHich I'm much better at)
He-111's
(soon B-25's

I'm luvin the game. Always have, always will.

CaptJodan
05-27-2004, 04:20 PM
I tend to try any plane once or twice, sometimes many more times. I have a lot of fun with the Me-163 and 162.

But there's really only one ride for me.

The 38. Plane's got character that none other has. So the P-38 it is.

Skullin
05-27-2004, 05:10 PM
Pre-AEP = BF109 G2
AEP/Prepatch = BF109 K4
Postpatch - BF109 G2

or when i feel patriotic...
the P-40 E

ColdDuck
05-27-2004, 07:43 PM
Still practicing on the 110 with prop pitch and flaps in an attempt to eek a bit more E out of her. She runs like a dog but I'm hoping to learn how to handle her enough to do some damage and still make it home in one piece. I took down two spits and a three 185s last night, before the entire room turned on me and dragged my flaming crate to the deck. I took one with me on the way down, tho... boy, was he mad. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hawgdog
05-27-2004, 08:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dawg-of-daeth:
I don't like 185. I think it suks.
He flew nothing but the LA-7
Dawg-of daeth<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, the La-7 is an excellent trainer until you are able to master the more difficult planes.
The 185 isn't that difficult to learn. Just squirrely on take offs. More potent than any La series.
By the way, better use spell check in your sighttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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GEO-oNe
05-27-2004, 09:04 PM
P-38 and Zero

Hunde_3.JG51
05-27-2004, 09:17 PM
Finally have converted from FW-190A-9 to FW-190D-9 now that cannons are more effective. The Dora is an incredible machine that pretty much out-classes the A-9 in every way except versatility and firepower.

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Jaws2002
05-27-2004, 09:33 PM
Still love my Dora, and that lean ,mean killing machine....IAR-81C http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

WOLFMondo
05-28-2004, 01:23 AM
I've pretty much only fly the P47D-27 since the patch...but then I flew it all the time before hand.

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Hawgdog
05-28-2004, 04:58 AM
the P47D-27


Have not flown this one since the patch, any different?

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LW_lcarp
05-28-2004, 05:21 AM
TA 152
P-40
109 any series
P-38 ...for ground pounding
B-25 ...sure is sweet



And then i lost a hard drive so unable to play for the last couple days. Probably will never try out the NOOBer planes

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bazzaah2
05-28-2004, 05:28 AM
Exclusively off-line (hope to change that soon when I move) at the moment, but love that SpitIX (c and e), P47-D27, which is just great if you keep your e high. Sometimes Yak3, La7 and later Il2s (think the P47 has a bigger punch somehow for g/pounding).

For Axis, Dora and the F and earlier 109Gs and 262. 163's a hoot now you can take off, but combat record makes me sceptical about it somehow.

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F19_Orheim
05-28-2004, 05:41 AM
I am amazed... not a single crapplane for you guys??

BIPLANES guys!!

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Extreme_One
05-28-2004, 06:36 AM
Mainly flying the SpitMkIXe but also loving the P-51 the P-38 and the bf-110.

There's something about nursing one engine and getting home alive with the other engine dead and smoking.

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WOLFMondo
05-28-2004, 06:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hawgdog:
_the P47D-27 _


Have not flown this one since the patch, any different?

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The most notable change is the zoom climb. Its still fun to fly but seems more like a heavy fighter rather than a bus now.

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TugZooey
05-28-2004, 06:45 AM
P-47, Zekes, P-38, 190s (any), 109s G-series and F.

Have yet to fly a Spit (since 1.22?) or a mustang. Been busy with the rest.

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nightnight
05-28-2004, 06:45 AM
Since I mostly fly on GG online (yeesss it´s back!) I´d fly whatever is available. I must say the fw, espec A5, as well as F2-4, spit or mustangs also are as enjoyable. Or why not the p47.....aahh what the h-k, I´m as bad a pilot in any of them.
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KBarken
05-28-2004, 06:57 AM
I have for the past 2-3 months flown the P51 and apparently really trained my aim, then I have tried the i-185 instead for a while, and wow my aim has improved, I didnt notice with the P51 because of the weak guns, but wow those 3x20mm sure rips off some wings, in this plane I have for the first time tried to down 5 planes online without scratching my own plane, but I guess it is kind of an über plane, just look at those specs, it is like an La7 in 1942!!!

ShVAK
05-28-2004, 06:58 AM
Flew the P-47D10 since the beginning and its still my primary aerial platform.

However, with the latest patch I have now switched to the D27 model for games with cockpit-on settings.


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EmbarkChief
05-28-2004, 07:13 AM
Pre Patch DF rooms I was running the 190A8 quite a bit, its great for servers that disintigrate into low level turn fights. The 109-G2 and F4 were/are some of my favorite rides as well. In the past month or so I've been exprimenting with the -110 a bit, that thing is a damn killer if used right. A week ago I flew a 700+ point sortie with it in BBlokes server and made it home with some paint chips from flak. Really I fly just about anything, just depends on how the action is going in the server. I'll even pull out the -153 with my big "red white and blue" paint job every now and then.

jurinko
05-28-2004, 07:24 AM
Online, allways the big, heavy and powerfull cannonships - Fw 190, P-47, P-38, even P-40. I stay away from planes which can not dive (the red ones), are generally considered as noobish (Ki-84c), are too easy to fly (Spits, P-51s) or are awfull (like Fiat G.50).

Offline, I fly the more noobish and good turners just to train shooting.

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F16_Rider
05-28-2004, 08:32 AM
As long as it can carry bombs ill fly it! Both pre and post patch.

That's right Ice, I am dangerous...
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Dawg-of-death
05-28-2004, 09:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hawgdog:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dawg-of-daeth:
I don't like 185. I think it suks.
He flew nothing but the LA-7
Dawg-of daeth<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, the La-7 is an excellent trainer until you are able to master the more difficult planes.
The 185 isn't that difficult to learn. Just squirrely on take offs. More potent than any La series.
By the way, better use spell check in your sighttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Seems as though you might want to brush up on your WWII history. Spelling obviously one of your fortes . WWII fighters might not be. The La-7 was Russias Flag ship fighter with absolute comabat superiority over most all of the German, English, and American piston engine planes at low or medium altitude. Sorry but, it was never used as a trainer. In real world, difficult to fly planes get ploits killed. Most air forces at the time wanted there ploits to RTB safe and sound . The 185 seems to have excellent flight performance but is in no way an equal macth to a LA-7 properly flown.

Thats why the Dawg-of death flys a LA-7 3x20..... Tres Humbres

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Eagle_361st
05-28-2004, 09:37 AM
Since the patch, I have given my trusty P-47D-10 a little vacation. My new ride of choice is the P-47D-27. Haven't even tried the other new a/c, except the Spit IX(Which is nice, but not a Jug http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

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diomedes33
05-28-2004, 12:28 PM
I'm really liking the dora right now since the 20s were fixed. Probably won't want to fly anything else unless the ta152c comes.

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Maj_Death
05-28-2004, 12:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
I am amazed... not a single crapplane for you guys??

BIPLANES guys!!

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I said I fly the G.50, that is pretty crappy. I get outrun by bipes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif.

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F19_Orheim
05-28-2004, 03:43 PM
well You get an "A" for that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Hawgdog
05-28-2004, 04:02 PM
" In real world"

Well...there ya go, thats where I quit reading.
...."real world"....

I did fly the 'new' Ia, certainly more ammo, as does the Fiat, lots more ammo, and it doesn't fishtail like it seemed to before in cross winds or when you enter or exit clouds.
The He-111 is fixed big-time, climbs like a bear!
He- glass is still dirty and slow climbs into sun are a pain.
P51-5NT, seems the same to me
Yak-9UT a serious high alt fighter for what little I've flown it-whats the specs on that?
And the A6m2, '40 THAT sucker oughta be banned

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Dawg-of-death
05-28-2004, 04:38 PM
Real world-game world.........Planes that are difficult to fly kill you. In Olegs world the La-7 is the top proformer................ http://www.il2sturmovik.com/games_elts/fb_aircraft.php. In my gaming world I command Top Proformance . The LA-7 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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ThanasisK
05-28-2004, 11:43 PM
FW190A6 - a total joy to fly, even in servers full of LA-7s. That was worth the price of admission alone http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I still like to fly the rest of FW190s (A9s + D9s online) and I-16 (you can take almost anyone out if he/she engages in a turn fight with you, I have even shot down Ta-152 and La-7s with it) but post patch my favourite is the A6.

Kondor99
05-29-2004, 12:14 AM
I like any 109G series with the Mk108 cannon. Perhaps the only weapon in the game with a one-shot-kill capability (appropriately).

Also LOVE the IAR 81c!

LeadSpitter_
05-29-2004, 01:30 AM
109s g6 g10 g14 with 75 fuel out turning all the mustangs downlow with no problems what so ever.

Dont forget with 25 fuel mustangs have no fuel in thier wing tank store which makes it a better turning aircraft downlow then with full fuel in the wings http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Only problem i have is against the p63 that thing takes a serious beating

p39
spitfires
mustangs
p38
p40
yaks
la
laggs
migs

all are able to be shot down in 1-4 bursts

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JG27_Dacripler
05-29-2004, 06:29 AM
Quote:Hunde_3.JG51


posted 27-05-04 20:17
Finally have converted from FW-190A-9 to FW-190D-9 now that cannons are more effective. The Dora is an incredible machine that pretty much out-classes the A-9 in every way except versatility and firepower.


Ok, Ok, I do not like to nit-pick however this is kind of odd http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif.. Why did you convert since the Dora outclasses something except versitilty and firepower?? hmm..

my post patch-
109's
P-39,63
P-51
Spitfire

and an occassional Yak for oldtimes sake to remember the joys of how simple it is to fly that plane.

Planes I refuse to fly :

LA-7
Lagg 3
KIA c model

Plane I wish I was capable of reaching it's potential and it's brilliant capability.

P-47.

ptegomerpyle
05-29-2004, 08:09 AM
spitfire for me, its pretty like im a pretty boy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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DeBaer.534
05-29-2004, 09:33 AM
i think i see many spits these days... oh how i hate this aircraft, and its cannons... (not the people flying it, just the machine)

my primary ride always was since il2 the Fw190 and always will be.
sometimes i take some early 109, or the 110 (im hitting kinda good with this thing, dont know why, generally im the worst shot youll ever see)

Jaws2002
05-29-2004, 10:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
I am amazed... not a single crapplane for you guys??

BIPLANES guys!!

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http://216.12.202.106/~f19vs/F19banner.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


How about my IAR-80/81, specially now that it got some funny Russian prop-pitch http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif