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DD_NL
03-30-2004, 12:21 AM
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/il2sturmovikfbace/review.html

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DD_NL
03-30-2004, 12:21 AM
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/il2sturmovikfbace/review.html

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Old_Canuck
03-30-2004, 12:36 AM
... and they gave CFS3 a rating of 7??????

Gamespot is undermodeled. They rated CFS3 much more than it deserves. So if CFS3 gets 7, AEP should get 35 because it's easily 5 times better.

OC

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RAF74_Buzzsaw
03-30-2004, 01:27 AM
Salute

Gamespot rates the X-Box version of Crimson Skys at an 8.9....

Tells you how credible they are.

Flight Sims never get the ratings they deserve from popular game sites, since those sites know their bread and butter is FPS games.

Korolov
03-30-2004, 01:40 AM
Gamespot, or Lamespot, like Buzzsaw said, is about as credible as hamster droppings. Both are full of "digested material."

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SeaFireLIV
03-30-2004, 02:41 AM
Yea, but the actual FB AEP review is fair, though like Old Canuck says, giving CFS3 7 is a big no, no. 1 or 2 would be more accurate.

DD_NL
03-30-2004, 03:14 AM
Agreed, their scoring is a little weird sometimes, but I usually find their reviews to be fair and on track.

Edit: sorry, didnt see someone already posted this earlier.

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KG10_Damien
03-30-2004, 03:18 AM
Not only is the review fair, but it shows that the reviewer took the time to do his homework and knows what he's talking about. Wich isn't always the case in general. A good review. Let's not be fanboys "oh my god he didn't give it a 11/10 he must die" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Old_Canuck
03-30-2004, 08:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KG10_Damien:
Not only is the review fair, but it shows that the reviewer took the time to do his homework and knows what he's talking about. Wich isn't always the case in general. A good review. Let's not be fanboys "oh my god he didn't give it a 11/10 he must die" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Agreed ... but my problem with their numbers is not a fanboy response. The review is fair and the reviewer is knowledgable. A score of 8.5 would have been credible if the AEP review was "stand alone" but to have CFS3 rated at 7 blows their credibility away.

If you want to read a fair review of CFS3, I'm sure there's more than one on this forum who could provide reams of technical data after the hours spent trying to make it work on their computers ... some of them high-end machines.

But the most poignant CFS3 review for me was my 6 year old nephew's candid remark: "yukky cockpits."

OC

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rcorporon
03-30-2004, 08:27 AM
I was going to say something, but it's all been said already http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Ronnie

Old_Canuck
03-30-2004, 08:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rcorporon:
I was going to say something, but it's all been said already http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Ronnie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too right. We do tend to get emotional when we realise once again that we had wasted our money. "Hell hath no fury like a flight simmer scorned" ... or something like that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

OC

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TXTeenPilot
03-30-2004, 08:49 AM
If you want a more credible source for reviews look at PC Gamer. They have people who know what they're talking about when it comes to flight sims.

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NegativeGee
03-30-2004, 08:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Old_Canuck:
"Hell hath no fury like a flight simmer scorned" ... or something like that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well thats true for sure, although I have also discovered that "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned by a flight simmer". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif


I was thinking though, maybe the guy at Gamespot was using a Log scale to score...... then 7 for CFS3 and 8.5 for AEP is quite acceptable http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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michapma
03-30-2004, 09:06 AM
Take away IL-2 and FB and CFS3 doesn't look all that bad. Still bad, still disappointing, still didn't deliver what it promised. The problem is that FB is practically in its own genre. Both games have the same goals, but if we compare CFS3 to everything other modern WW2 air combat game but totally leave FB out of the equation, CFS3 could maybe squeak by with a 7. It had potential. If they'd continued to develop it, it really could have become something. I like the big maps...

That's not to say I particularly like it or spend time with it. The graphics alone are enough to turn me off. Move on to, yes, the flight and damage models, then the viewing system, then not least the way it's not supported--the CFS team thrusts a huge bulk of weight on the community to make the sim into something playable. They purposely use the open architecture to foist a framework on us that can eventually be modded into submission.

And about Crimson Skies, when folks review an Xbox game, it's not by our favorite criteria--flight and damage models for instance. You have to review a game in terms of what it is meant for.

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michapma
03-30-2004, 09:30 AM
Actually I thought the textual review of CFS3 itself was pretty fair. Here's the closing paragraph:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If you're new to flight sims and want to fly Mustangs, Thunderbolts, Focke-Wulfs, and other planes in a variety of interesting missions in the best World War II western front flight sim available, find a copy of European Air War. It's cheap, and it will run smoothly on today's systems. On the other hand, if you're a longtime flight sim fan who has played that title to death already and you're eager for another visit to the western front, Combat Flight Simulator 3 is a reasonable choice. Just make sure you have a good video card, and don't expect too see very much in the way of new things.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This was posted 10/25/02, before the patch, and they don't seem to have updated the review. But most of the review probably stands after the patch. With the exception of the courageous CFS community braving all the handicaps and making the sim somehow work for them.


Also notice that the average user score for AEP was 8.7 (compared to GameSpot's 8.5) and the average user score for CFS3 was 5 to GameSpot's 7.

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Cold_Gambler
03-30-2004, 10:06 AM
I think it's a pretty fair review- at least the reviewer seems to have given AeP a good workout, and is familiar with IL2/FB- http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

redfella
03-30-2004, 10:49 AM
The reviewer said that Il2 was the best flight sim EVER.... What more could you ask for!

buz13
03-30-2004, 12:08 PM
I would have given it a 9.0 and a 10 if the wing leveler autopilot was put back in operation....

tttiger
03-30-2004, 12:37 PM
I agree with just about everything that was said in the review.

It's what wasn't said that was disappointing.

The worst sin of omission was not mentioning that the high altitude flying sucks. The P-47, which should rule the world above 30,000 feet can barely get up that high. I know the game was designed for low altitude Eastern Front combat, but now that we're "Westernizing" it, the high alt problems must be corrected.

It's a great sim, it deserves high praise, but when the writer talks about minor flaws, this ain't no minor flaw.

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Old_Canuck
03-30-2004, 12:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by michapma:
.... notice that the average user score for AEP was 8.7 (compared to GameSpot's 8.5) and the average user score for CFS3 was 5 to GameSpot's 7.

...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My point exactly. The review was acceptable for both sims but someone is playing a numbers game with the ratings. Your observation confirms to me that GameSpot's number rating system doesn't reflect user opinions.

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Capt._Tenneal
03-30-2004, 01:26 PM
There was only a 0.1 % dropoff from Gamespot's rating for FB to AEP, so they, at least, have been consistent in their ratings between the two of them. If they had reviewed this "after patch", some of the fixes might have brought it higher.

I guess we should just realize that AEP will not get the 10's across the board from Gamespot. No sir, those are reserved for the Zelda games http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

mortoma
03-30-2004, 02:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TXTeenPilot:
If you want a more credible source for reviews look at PC Gamer. They have people who know what they're talking about when it comes to flight sims.

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v77/TexanTeenPilot/sig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Funny, I just read the Gamespot review and it seemed to me that the reviewer knew what he was talking about......

brimigus
03-30-2004, 09:24 PM
8.5,8.5! are you kidding me,man those East G


erman judges are unfair.

michapma
03-31-2004, 03:31 AM
OldCanuck,

No, they don't. That's why they provide for user ratings and put it on the page big and glossy just like their own ratings. There's a link on their page to explain their own rating system. Seems like a reasonable system to me.

tttiger,

We just might get good high alt handling with BoB, and more complex CEM, weather and high alt effects would be awesome. I don't like to complain about the high-alt handling, but I see the point that if we are going to have a lot of high-alt fighters it's a great disadvantage.

But as I understood it, not everything about the high-alt modeling sucks, there are just some deficiencies. There was a thread about it I started last month, did you see that? I think you maybe posted in it...

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