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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 07:57 PM
OK, so i havent played FB in about 3-4 months and i'm getting back into it, cause i love hte game alot. however, i have lost all of the very small amount of skill i had. Can anyone reccomend to me the best newbie-freindly LW plane? I really like flying LW planes but wether is bet the 109-k, 109-F, 190-A8 (etc, you get the point) i just cant find any that i can actually do anything with. THanks for your help

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 07:57 PM
OK, so i havent played FB in about 3-4 months and i'm getting back into it, cause i love hte game alot. however, i have lost all of the very small amount of skill i had. Can anyone reccomend to me the best newbie-freindly LW plane? I really like flying LW planes but wether is bet the 109-k, 109-F, 190-A8 (etc, you get the point) i just cant find any that i can actually do anything with. THanks for your help

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 08:08 PM
Fw 190D-9, if you use these simple rules:

- always start higher than your enemy
- try to hit with deflection shots
- don't go for tracking shots
- never ever turn
- never let your speed get below 450 kph

If you are a typical newbie though, use 109E or 109F-4 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 08:09 PM
Heh, i used to be good with dora, but lately she just refuses to like me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif thnx though, i'll try those tips

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 08:14 PM
Try the BF-109 G-6 A/S or the G-10, they really have som power to keep you from stalling!

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 08:18 PM
109K4 is pretty simple to use. If you ever get in trouble just climb.....and climb.....and climb.... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 08:32 PM
I'm sorry, its been quite a while since i played, someone wanna explain to me the differenace between tracking and deflection shots(*cringes*) thanks!

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 08:32 PM
I certainly wouldn't recommend a FW-190D-9 to a new pilot. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I think your best shot would be to fly the Bf-109K-4.

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 08:48 PM
a lw plane for noobs?

me109F4

to master dora or K4, you need to be quite good...

But with the F4, you have a fairly good firepower, and you are agile enough to dogfight most russian planes of the same era, even some later ones like LA7...

just keep your speed up if you encounter hurricans...

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 09:00 PM
Interesting comments about which LW plane would best suit a newbie..Most 109 recommendations seem to plumb for a late Gustav model or Kurfurst, with one only recommending the earlier versions, Emil and Friedrich. How the sim differs from the real planes.

Late mark 109's notoriously had vicious handling traits and were harder to fly than the earlier ones owing to the aircraft being developed past what the airframe could handle. Much heavier and overpowered, the little 109 airfame suffered from too high wing loading and a consequent degradation in handling. The earlier versions were easier to fly though the 109 always had to be handled with respect. The F models were generally regarded as having the best overall balance of performance v handling and are seen as being the peak of 109 development.

The Spitfire followed a similar path of up-gunning, increasing power, and weight. But, the airframe was better able to handle such increases in demands on it, although it's true to say the earlier Marks had better handling, the later ones were more effective fighters. This took the Spitfire from broad parity with the 1940-1942 109's, and inferiority to the 190 (when it came out in 1942), to a position of superiority to both later in the war.

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 09:06 PM
The Bf-109F-4 is easily the best handling 109 in the game, as it should be. It is the only 109 that can turn with VVS planes. It's not the best 109, but it is the most user friendly for sure.

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 09:24 PM
Early server, the F4. Late server, the K4. Both are simple to fly in FB.

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 09:43 PM
The F4. best plane on german side. Just DO NOT engage in turnfights. When the other one turns move up. always up. then no La5 can even get a single shot at you.

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 09:58 PM
Hmm. THanks guys! i'll keep these in mid as i go off to get mauled on servers!

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 10:01 PM
I love 109 G2, I think its the best LW plane except for the K model.

I think DORA isnt that good, has no chance whatsoever at low altitudes if you burn a little too much speed/altitude.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 03:14 AM
Thanks guys. I've been actualyl doing OK in the F-4, think maybe after a while i'll slowly start using the Dora back more, cause i used ot love that plane.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 03:15 AM
Wait for the patch. The Dora should be much better then (hopefully).

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:18 AM
heheheh


Message Edited on 07/03/0305:19AM by BAnderss

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:20 AM
Somehow I fail to see the logic behind advising a plane that is more an exception than the rule of LW planes. I mean, 109F is good for TnB, but no other LW plane is. If one trains with it, he will be dependant on that plane forever.

IMO, one should fly LW planes the way they were ment to be flown, from the very start. High speed slashing attacks, no TnB and knifefighting. Thus, 190 is best choice. It might be rough in the neginning, but it is the best option IMO.

109, OTOH, are pure energy fighters (at least they were in other sims I've played). IMO, this tactic takes even better pilot than a typical BNZer and can be frustrating at times.


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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:23 AM
Hristos

I don't fly the F4 because it turns good. I fly it because it's fast, climbs good, and in 41, is hard to beat. It's also the best looking 109.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:34 AM
Well, 190 is better in all those aspects except climb. And climb advantage is one of the hardest to utilize right, you can' expect a newbie to use it effectively.

A newbie would benefit much more of 4 cannons vs 1, dive advantage, greater toughness and (arguably) better view.

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Message Edited on 07/03/0306:35AM by Hristos

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:40 AM
best climber still seems to be the G6as

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:40 AM
I did say F4 for early servers, and the K4 for late servers. The Fw190 will not out perform a K4. A noob will probably stall the Fw to much anyway.

I like the Fw190, but I never recommend it to a noob.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:46 AM
Again, 109 takes too much time and skill to make a kill, while 190 can do it in one pass. A newbie has greater chance to mess thing up if he has to repeat the pass.

You think a newbie can get a good use of single 15 or 20 mm in slashing attacks ? Or MK 108 for that matter ? In a delicate plane like 109 is ?


In 190 all he has to do is to stay fast and spray.
He won't stall it if he remembers these simple rules - never ever turn, stay fast, use deflection shots or simply spray.


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Message Edited on 07/03/0306:50AM by Hristos

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:50 AM
Try the F4 or the G2.
For later servers, nothing beats the K4( in vertical combat at least), anyway, K4 climbs better then anyone.
Dont reccomend the G6 AS, it overheats too easy.
Good hunting.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:56 AM
The FW-190 is harder to fly right, but is easier to fly if flown right, if that makes sense. When flown correctly the 190 pilot just keeps the throttle pinned and uses gentle turns to come in and blast away again. I think the FW is the easier plane to fly, you just have to be disciplined. So if you are a disciplined newbie fly the 190, if you want to fly up (climb) and down (dive), even turning once in awhile to take your shot, then go 109. The bottom line is that all planes in FB are easy to fly, except maybe P-47 and P-40M. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Message Edited on 07/03/0305:57AM by kyrule2

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:57 AM
Hristos, so i could follow you a little better, could you please explain to me "Deflections shots" and "tracking shots"??

Anyway, i fooled around alot tonight with the 109's and a few of the 190's ( not Dora, i do OK in her staying alive, just not killing). The plane i stayed alive in for the longest time, was the 190 A-9 or A-8. But it was kinda sluggish for my tastes so i tried the 109F annd some others. The one i had the most fun in was the 109 G-10, because its pretty manuverable, and has the Mk108's (which i enjoy using very much so)


Anyway, was wondering if there was any other tips you guys would like to share. Thanks for all the help already posted though!!

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 07:05 AM
The point is, you don't want to turn in any LW plane, as the opposition always turns better. And even if you hold turn advantage sometimes, this tactic leaves you wide open to any outside intruders entering the fight. Many dead Spits in other sims can atest to that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

So you must resort to BnZ or E fight. And honestly, I consider E fight riskier than BnZ, although more rewarding (some people consider TnB even mnore rewarding). IMO, 190 is more effective here, while 109 requires better pilot.

Tracking shots are shots where you get behind a plane and hose it until it goes down. As a rule, the target will maneuver and jink. This slows it down, but it slows you as well when you try to follow. And in LW plane getting slow is a big no-no. Needless to say, there are enemy plane which simply can't be followed through their evasives which will leave you slow AND at their mercy.

Deflection shots and snapshots are different category. Here you get in fast and anticipate where the enemy will be. You fire not where the enemy is now, but where it will be when the bullets hit. This actually negates any maneuvering advantages enemy planes might have, as there will always be a position where you can hit them, though firing windows could be short sometimes. In general, you get in, watch what they are doing, anticipate and fire. Do not manuver, you need your momentum to get you out of their firing range after the pass. This style best suits 190, since 4 cannons have better chance of hitting than puny 109 armament (MK108 isn't puny, but you have just one and it can't really saturate the air with 30mm rounds).

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Message Edited on 07/03/03 07:07AM by Hristos

Message Edited on 07/03/0307:09AM by Hristos

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 07:15 AM
Heh, now that i understand what you meant about Deflection and snap shooting, that sounds kinda like what i do in the dora or even the G-10. sometimes when i'm bored i'll use tracking shots, which gets me killed nad brings me back to my senses. However, You can do quite well saturationg the air with mk108, if you put the 2 wingpods on the G-10, as hten you get the 2 wingpods+the nose cannon. Anyway, i'll try your tips as they seem to be close to what i like doing, Hit & run (am i right?)

Thanks for all these great tips!!

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 12:07 PM
Gershy ... the F4 is a successfull turn fighter .... turn fights are about instinct & tactics ... only a dummie keeps turning with a better turnig A/C the same way ... any plane is a killer ... it all comes down to your skill
DFs are decided by pilots ... not aircraft

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 02:43 PM
IMO, there are safer and riskier types of fights. When engaged in TnB, you basically put all your cards on the table. You don't get out unless you win. BnZ leaves you options. Generally, you have to be pretty good to be able to get out of a knifefight safely.

Not to mention, a TnB needs capable buddies to keep his back safe. Not so with BnZ type, he can hold his own even against superior force.

You say you are confident in your ability to turn that F4. So you enter a turnfight vs a Yak. And what if the Yak pilot is better than you ? When BnZing, if you feel the opponent is better, you still have the option to get out. Not so in TnB.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 02:58 PM
Hristos, noobs don't BnZ, this is an advanced tactic...

he asked for the most noob friendly LW plane, so i took this into account when answering him...

For newcomers, TnB is the easiest way to fly, and in LW, the 109F4 is the best for that...

and by the way, if he begin TnB with yaks in its 109F, this will eventually lead him to angle fight, wich is a much more advanced tactic than BnZ...

I think that a new LW pilot is better learn to TnB and then angle fight... Even if he can't master it, it will give him good bases to fly almost all FB planes...

BnZ is very powerful in some occurences, but angle fight allow to catch vvs planes on their own ground...

well, this was my two cents...

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 03:37 PM
Why do I recommend the F4? It might not have the biggest guns, but big guns won't do you much good if you never get to shoot them. If you get into a turn fight with the F4, you'll have a chance. If you use B&Z, it does very good. Much better than most think. Alot of guys think because the F4 turns pretty good, that it's all it can do. Look at the chart below.

Climb to 4000m

F4......3.32 min/sec
G6a/s...3.48
A5......6.38
D9 44...6.14
D9 45...5.11

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 04:32 PM
well, if you have to learn wrong tactics (TnB) and then right (BnZ), that's your choice. One can always use the experience gained.

Now imagine this. You are LW commander and new pilots ask you how and what to fly ? What would you tell them ?

"...go fly 109, die a few deaths and then switch to proper tactic..." ?


OR

"...grab 190, fly fast and hit hard, never look back..."


What is the logic in teaching someone the wrong way and only then the right way ?

Buzz, so F-4 climbs very well. Now, do you think a noob can utilize this advanatage right away ? IMO, dive advantage is easier to exploit for a noob.

Noobs go to TnB instinctively. So, 109 might be better than 190 because of that. Noobs do all kinds of thing too, as HO (190 advantage), get themselves in bad situation in general (aka dive, buddy, dive !!!). Durability helps too, you don't want a noob in a plane which lights up when you sneeze at it.

Message Edited on 07/03/0304:36PM by Hristos

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 04:47 PM
Hristos

You confuse me a little. You say that a noob can't B&Z. Which means he won't be very good at energy fighting either. That means he'll have to turn fight, and try to work on energy.B&Z fighting. Why would you recommend one of the worse turn fighter (Fw) ? I agree the Fw190 is a tough plane to kill, but online there are plenty of good pilots that can do it.

A noob doesn't want to fly around running from everybody, while they shoot the crap out of him. He wants to shoot stuff too. He'll get killed in the 109, but he'll also get a chance to kill too. You'll never convince me that the Fw190 is a good plane for a noob online. Not the way it's modeled in FB right now. It's not fast enough to get away from Yak's, La's of late 109's. It can't outclimb anything. Noobs will stall it. You have a porked view for shooting. I just don't see your point.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 04:55 PM
Hmm, somehow you got me wrong. never have I advised TnB, in any plane, especially not 190.

A noob wants to land kills. The best way for him is to follow simple rules mentioned above. The best tool for this style is 190. IMO, of course.

I've started my simmng in 109, to be honest, some 6 yrs ago. Switched to 190 4 yrs ago. The 109 experience helped here and there, but mostly I had to work out those bad habits. 190 is simpler plane to fly, IMO.



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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:01 PM
It just seems like it, because now your experienced. You fly by instincts now, and it seems easy.

I think the 190 will be ok if the FM gets fixed. The problem now is it's hard to get away. The climb is pathetic.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:18 PM
What BuzzU said. 109F-4 or a G-2 on early servers, K-4 on late ones. F-4 can turn very well and can actually beat Soviet types in turnfight because of its great handling, coupled with enough power. The K-4 has less nice handling, though its still good, however this plane is a true "kraftei", or power egg. The mating of 2000 Horsepower and a 30mm fast firing cannon. It`s just sheer brutalilty in every aspect.

The Emil isnt good for newbies because you have to thinker a lot with prop pitch - as we dont have Emils with auto prop. The 190 - nah, that is for cold headed pilots who have clear ideas on what tactics to follow, and the planes handling (stalls) is much worser than any 109... it can be very frustrating for a Newbie to stall all the time in a turn..


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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 09:15 PM
Guys i'm not a total newb /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Its not like i've never played before. I used to be semi-good at this game (even with Dora) But my computer died so i couldnt play for about 3-4 months, hence i need a newb-freinly plane to start out in. SO i *can* Utilize some advantages that your all saying i cant. I like the F4 when Dora inst avaliable. There are now 3 Planes i use. BF109F4, FW190A9, FW190D9. I have a question for all you dora users though- WHich do you like the most? the Water injection model or the MW50?

Either way you can keep arguing if ya want =p thanks for the tips guys!!

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 09:29 PM
I dont see how some of you guys can recomend that this guy restart his flying lessons with the K4 and other later planes. Your kidding right?

Anyways, You should start with the F4 or G2 to understand how to use its lone nose canon. We dont have the advantage of spreading more ammo like most of the Red Planes. After a few flights and fights with the F4 and G2 fly the G6Late and get used to the heavy weight of the aircraft. Then go to the G6AS to get used to the speed. Then move onto the Later aircraft such as the G10, G14, and K4. Then after that you can try your hand at the 190s.

I started with the F2 in the il2 missions. Then with the G2 in the VEF missions. After that i started flying the G6 late and G6AS in the regular il2 missions. Then from their i started flying the K4 in FB and moved to the G14, and now im back to the K4. YOU MUST learn how to get that lone canon on your target. Its not easy at all. timeing and speed is everything when flying for the LW.



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So he tells me, "I ban the Me262 cause its turn rate is over modeled and it dosnt stall"... Then he takes off from his base in a Hurricane.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 09:45 PM
Some Luftwaffe pilots who survived the war and had their career in many differnt versions of the 109 preferrd the the 109f and more specifically the f4. Good view good giddy up. To me of all the 109s it just seems to feel the best (though I prefer the Emil pre-patch). Armament is not bad either you just have to learn to shot and realize that riding dead six and firing is going to waste precious ammo. The F allows you to learn the energy fighting as well as turn if need be and as mentioned you will get shot down alot but once it starts clicking with the discipline *emphasis on discipline* you can move to the heavies where you will rule.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 09:53 PM
Exactly Rummy!

Most ACE's favoured the F series more than any other because of its manuverability. One of these ACE's was Major Hans Assi.
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So he tells me, "I ban the Me262 cause its turn rate is over modeled and it dosnt stall"... Then he takes off from his base in a Hurricane.

Message Edited on 07/03/03 08:54PM by CGReload

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Message Edited on 07/03/0309:10PM by CGReload

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 10:17 PM
Looks like the skin in my sig. Which was Molders.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 01:05 AM
no one recommends the Storch ???

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 01:51 AM
Galway, currently the Storch is undermodelled. It should be able to take on the La-7, even if outnumbered 4 to 1. It holds a significant speed and climb advantage over the latest VVS planes. When you start getting around 6 to 1 things can get a little hairy. If all else fails you can simply maneuver until the poorly made VVS planes experience structural failure. But I am no expert, I am just basing this on the information that the numerous Luftwaffe experts here provide. Hope this helps.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 05:53 AM
I actually started quick missions in a PZL P11c (very nice plane built right here in Warsaw /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ) and moved to fighter campaign with a La-5FN... my current a/c is a Yak-3 which I would actually recommend to starting Soviet pilots.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 06:27 AM
Found a track I made few months ago:

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:09 AM
I'm a noob, and this is the plane I find gets the most kills:



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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:21 AM
I suggest you the F4 for early servers and the G14 (or even the G6 AS) for the late servers.
Among the late 109s, the G14 seems to handle the best (but never turn with LW planes in it!). Its topspeed and climb features are a little inferior to the k4, but the k4 is much more stiffer and takes some time to be used properly. The G14 seems a little more stable than the K4 at low speeds.
The G10 is a mid way between the G14 and the K4, It climbs and runs better than the G14 but the handling is not as good.
In 1943 servers the G6 late is a good choice too.
Try them all starting from the most friendly ones, and gradually you'll get used to them all /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 09:34 AM
Hristos, do you have Track IR? beacuse in that track it sure does look like it. Also, which model Dora was that? 44 or 45?.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 09:50 AM
yup, track IR here

It was Fw 190A-4 vs 1942 opposition. MiG was my greatest problem, as it can run me down

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 10:53 AM
i play flight sims for the Dogfights ... i wouldnt recommend B n Z to a noob cause they want to get in there & have some fun ... climbing is boring when you could be spending your time having Dogfights ... high ALT B n Z will keep you alive for longer but only cause your spending a lot of time climbing & running away ... the F4 BF is the most fun BF to fight with IMO & it can defeat VVS planes in turn fights .... its all about your instincts when your in the air

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 10:54 AM
My opinion: take most crampy plane, if you learn fly it you will fly anything http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Why nOObs want to fly easy plane? In Il2 times when i discover online i wanted to fly mig3u or la5fn. But when i saw many people fly it, and they are quite easy planes i change it to FW190 and Bf109. For months playing i was killed all the time, but after that i started to have some victories. What is a feeling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, after few monhts flying dont get shot by yak flying on fw. For that moment i first time sit into fw i just love it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. FW is real charakter changer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. I reccomend it to every new pilot who is stubborn enough to fly it. Cheers.

Fly fast, stay high, shoot to kill.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:28 PM
OK, Hristos, is track IR really worth it? because it seems very nice, but its alot of money to sped for something that will really only help me in 1 game, if it helps at all

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 09:32 PM
Good equipment will not make you an ace, but poor hardware may limit you. IMO, TrackIR is worth its price if you are a hardcore simmer. It is not absolutely necessary, just as Cougar or latest Radeon aren't. But they do add quality to the experience.

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