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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 03:40 PM
helo,

i flew ME109E4 several times yesterday with stunning success against la7, yak3s and cobra q10s. i downed one after the other without getting hit once.

whats going on here? i never managed to do this with a K4.

climb data for emil:
1000 m 38 sec
2000 m 0123
3000 m 0210
4000 m 0305

G6AS
1000 m 36 sec
2000 m 0112
3000 m 0147
4000 m 0224

K4

1000 m 38 sec
2000 m 0120
3000 m 0211
4000 m 0306

is this real? it takes as much time for a K4 to 3000 meters as for an E4?

all tests done at 300IAS, rads closed, manual prop at 2900 RPM, with wep if applicable


any comments?

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 03:40 PM
helo,

i flew ME109E4 several times yesterday with stunning success against la7, yak3s and cobra q10s. i downed one after the other without getting hit once.

whats going on here? i never managed to do this with a K4.

climb data for emil:
1000 m 38 sec
2000 m 0123
3000 m 0210
4000 m 0305

G6AS
1000 m 36 sec
2000 m 0112
3000 m 0147
4000 m 0224

K4

1000 m 38 sec
2000 m 0120
3000 m 0211
4000 m 0306

is this real? it takes as much time for a K4 to 3000 meters as for an E4?

all tests done at 300IAS, rads closed, manual prop at 2900 RPM, with wep if applicable


any comments?

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 03:56 PM
I read somewhere (on one of the threads here) that the climb rate on the 109 E is overdone somewhat. I have no way of knowing whether that assertion is true or untrue, it's just what I read.

Personally, I prefer the F4 or G2.

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 04:13 PM
Bf 109 E is totally overmodelled

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 04:22 PM
Enjoy while you can I'm guessing the patch will put back where it belongs.

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 05:18 PM
I've noticed similar characteristics on the Emil, but am still reluctant to try it on a regular basis as I have a tendency to be conservative on the CEM adjustments and wind up frying my engine.

I too like the F4...if weren't for the neutered armament on it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif




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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 05:23 PM
i like the F-2 and F-4, got some bad experience with the other me`s

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This is not IL-2FB???

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 05:28 PM
I think the patch will correct all these things for the best. I hope to because the last variants of the patch had very realistic FM's.

Cheers,

Zayets
06-26-2003, 05:29 PM
Peaches , Buzz?

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 05:37 PM
I like the Emil as well even though I know it's FM is screwy. I'll still fly it even when it is brought into line with the patch. As long as it retains the nice aileron and rudder interaction. And of course those two 20mm cannons are very nice.

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 07:56 PM
its still no match for the hurricans even the f2 and 4 using BnZ are tough to down one. But even tougher to down a i153 or i16.

all we can do is wait for the patch

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 07:58 PM
K4 all the way..at least for me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 08:47 PM
I LOVE the Emil-7. It's fast becoming one of my favorites.

Johann

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 09:58 PM
BF BF not ME

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 10:48 PM
Hurricanes are super easy to down. As long as the Hurricane loses its super climb along with the Emil, and the super no stall too. I still dont think they are hard, they are such a big slow target, and just like MDs sig says. I hate the Rata though, IMHO it is the hardest aircraft to kill in this game. They are so small you cant hit them, and when you do, it doesnt do any damage.

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 11:01 PM
i find it ludicrous to believe the 109E climbs as good as the K4 when both use manual prop pitch. no way. ill test it though.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 12:35 AM
the Emil is THE plane to take up for circuits, or look at scenery in, or do some low levels stuff trying to stay below the tree line, but yeah it climbs like a wounded angel .. just a touch overmodelled http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 01:18 AM
Wrong both Me and Bf are correct. Both terms are used interchangably throughout Luffwafte documents, usually within the same page.

Take your pick Bf for who built them at first, or Me for who designed them.

mike_espo wrote:
- BF BF not ME
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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 01:34 AM
Cragger, I thought only US documents referred to these planes as ME's. I can't recall coming across any German accounts that called the 109's ME109's...it was always BF109.

Is my memory going?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 01:40 AM
E and F are awesome since they can TnB pretty well. Later Models are just pure BnZ for me plus i cant aim for heck with later models as well.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:03 AM
best use for the Emil is JABO

it has an amazing amount of mg ammo that take out light trucks and vehicles by the dozens

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:57 AM
Cragger wrote:
- Wrong both Me and Bf are correct. Both terms are
- used interchangably throughout Luffwafte documents,
- usually within the same page.
-
- Take your pick Bf for who built them at first, or Me
- for who designed them.

Incorrect. Bf-109 and 110 were designs by Willy Messerschmitt for the Bayerische Fleugzeugwerke. In 1938, the company became Messerschmitt's and all later designs were Me.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 06:47 AM
it is an endless debate. all veterans i have talked to considered themselves to be messerschmitt pilots, flying the ME-109 and not the BF-109.

about the FM. very surprising that in the OBJ viewer it states that emils can turn slower than later (G and K) versions. do you agree with it?

at least in hungary.

cheers

plébános

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 07:29 AM
They were pilots flying the messerschmitt Bf-109, what's the problem?

The Hungarians or Romanians or Finns could call them what they like but they were still Bf109s.

I call my car Rupert, but I don't think Rover are going to follow suit somehow and rename the entire line of 4WDs.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 07:35 AM
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whatever. we call them messerschmitts and thats all.....

anyways, i think 109 E series is exactly as much overmodelled as fw190 series is undermodelled.
they make up a good pair of planes positioned at the two extreme end of the "goofed planes" group.

i hope this prob will be addressed in the patch.

plébános

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Erich Hartmann

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 07:40 AM
Plebanos wrote:

- anyways, i think 109 E series is exactly as much
- overmodelled as fw190 series is undermodelled.
- they make up a good pair of planes positioned at the
- two extreme end of the "goofed planes" group.



I would still put my money on the A4 vs the Emil (even the 7) in 1 vs 1 combat any day.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 07:42 AM
you would lose, man. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

there is now way an A4 can beat an E4.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:52 AM
not this BF ME debate againl....there have been endless threads on this and GUESS WHAT? they are both correct terms in germany. drop it. its been proven too many times. end of story . its not bf its not me...ITS BOTH. in all official german documents both terms are listed

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 09:01 AM
RedDeth wrote:
- not this BF ME debate againl....there have been
- endless threads on this and GUESS WHAT? they are
- both correct terms in germany. drop it. its been
- proven too many times. end of story . its not bf its
- not me...ITS BOTH. in all official german documents
- both terms are listed


And often on the same page and by the same auther.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 12:32 PM
it is not the debate. it is just me asking whether Emil is soo overmodelled or not.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 01:24 PM
E-4 is totally overmodelled it can manage a good 22-24 m/s climb which is in G-2 and K-4 territory /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Just goes to show how overmodelled the Hurri is too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

K-4 should climb best and isn't too bad in FB with the G-2 close behind it. I don't have sources to hand but I figure the Emil (no slouch!) should climb fairly well with about 16-18 m/s but nowhere near as well as it does now in FB.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 01:34 PM
BTW E-4 (and other Emils) Carry 1000 rounds (total 500 rpg) of MG (7.92mm) ammo /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Only 60 rounds of 20mm cannon per gun IIRC.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 01:49 PM
hey, you are right, but the way it flies there is no problem getting those bullets to where they belong /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 01:57 PM
Plebanos wrote:
- it is an endless debate. all veterans i have talked
- to considered themselves to be messerschmitt pilots,
- flying the ME-109 and not the BF-109.

There is no debate. It is a fact. The Luftwaffe pilots called it the bf. The export countries can call it what they like.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 02:48 PM
mike_espo wrote:

- There is no debate. It is a fact. The Luftwaffe
- pilots called it the bf. The export countries can
- call it what they like.

Wrong. Please don't state as facts to people things you do not really know about, it leads to more people stating what they "think" as facts.

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Message Edited on 06/27/0309:49AM by PriK

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:18 PM
lbhskier37 wrote:
I hate the Rata though, IMHO it
- is the hardest aircraft to kill in this game. They
- are so small you cant hit them, and when you do, it
- doesnt do any damage.

True. I'm reading Black Cross/Red Star and it recounts F2 and F4 pilots shredding and flaming I-16s and I-153s all over the place. Hopefully the patch will fix the present indestructo Ratas and Tchaikas.