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GMichaelP
03-31-2004, 05:25 PM
I just want to argue for the use of what I think are the two best researched books on the early part of the Pacific (naval) Airwar. These are "The First Team" and "The First Team and Guadalcanal Campaign". Both are by Joh Lundstrom and are published by the Naval Institute Press. Invaluable! History and tactics, I only wish Lundstrom would publish more on later operations.

Michael

GMichaelP
03-31-2004, 05:25 PM
I just want to argue for the use of what I think are the two best researched books on the early part of the Pacific (naval) Airwar. These are "The First Team" and "The First Team and Guadalcanal Campaign". Both are by Joh Lundstrom and are published by the Naval Institute Press. Invaluable! History and tactics, I only wish Lundstrom would publish more on later operations.

Michael

Capt_Harlock
03-31-2004, 05:44 PM
I would add Samurai! By Saburo Sakai.
It's quite enlightening on many aspects of air war in the pacific theater.

UncleVanya2001
03-31-2004, 06:37 PM
I'd add "Fire In The Sky: The Air War in the South Pacific" by Eric M. Bergerud.

SkyChimp
03-31-2004, 07:34 PM
I second Fire in the Sky. It's an amazing book.

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DONB3397
03-31-2004, 07:56 PM
"Zero" by Horikoshi provides a good overall view of the Pacific Air War, from Midway to the Solomons and Mariannas. Precise numbers and types of IJN aircraft, areas of operation and top pilots. Not much combat narrative, but good historical reference.

Also, Discovery Wings is currently re-running its Pacific Air Battles series. Check your listings.

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Bearcat99
03-31-2004, 08:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DONB3397:
"Zero" by Horikoshi provides a good overall view of the Pacific Air War, from Midway to the Solomons and Mariannas. Precise numbers and types of IJN aircraft, areas of operation and top pilots. Not much combat narrative, but good historical reference.

Also, Discovery Wings is currently re-running its Pacific Air Battles series. Check your listings.

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Its funny I just got that book about 2 weeks agooo(Zero) I havent gotten to it yet but I will when i finish the history of the 8th.

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badaboom.1
03-31-2004, 08:16 PM
I'm currently reading&lt;FIRE IN THE SKY&gt;Very interesting read!!

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luthier1
03-31-2004, 08:20 PM
Here's my ever growing library on the Pacific

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I highly recommend Sakai's Samurai - and as a general reference book I very highly recommend this little gem:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0807120138/qid=1080789592/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-9591291-2995019?v=glance&s=books

noshens
03-31-2004, 08:57 PM
hehe I see book "BOEING B-29 SUPERFORTRESS"

...kinda makes me hope we get to fly one...

aminx
04-01-2004, 12:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
Here's my ever growing library on the Pacific

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I highly recommend Sakai's Samurai - and as a general reference book I very highly recommend this little gem:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0807120138/qid=1080789592/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-9591291-2995019?v=glance&s=books&lt;HR&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0807120138/qid=1080789592/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-9591291-2995019?v=glance&s=books<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>)
att LUTHIER 1
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luthiers library
how come you have'nt read about or noticed the devastator avenger and kate ??
aminx

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aminx
04-01-2004, 01:51 PM
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FlipTrac_511
04-01-2004, 07:00 PM
Luthier1, I don't see your copy of "Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War" by Rene' J Francillon.

Excellent reference of all things Japanese aircraft.

luthier1
04-01-2004, 07:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aminx:
how come you have'nt read about or noticed the devastator avenger and kate ??
aminx<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What's your beef with these planes already! What made you think we won't have them? Are you going to keep posting about them in every thread?

And yes, I read magazines too.
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SkyChimp
04-01-2004, 07:29 PM
Luthier,

I see you have Grub Street's book on IJA Aces and Units, too. That's a good book. If you can find it, Japanese Naval Aces and Fighter Units in WWII by the same authors (Naval Institute Press) is a great partner to that book.

BTW, how is Flyboys? Flags of Our Fathers by the same author was maybe the best I've read.


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SkyChimp
04-01-2004, 07:34 PM
Osprey is moving awfully slow getting this book on the shelves:

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Capt._Tenneal
04-02-2004, 12:57 PM
Are these 2 Osprey compilations any good ? :

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luthier1
04-02-2004, 01:09 PM
I don't have Blue Devils, but Aces of the Rising Sun is OK. It's just a listing of short bios of Japanese aces; for some reason they seem to be listed in a completely random order, but there are plenty of photos and quite a few nice profiles. It's by Henry Sakaida who you know's going to produce a decent book about Japanese aviation.

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aminx
04-02-2004, 01:20 PM
i just posted 3 osprey books in the "list of planes please" about the wildcat,hellcat and dauntless since these are confirmed planes it seems ,i have'nt found the book on the corsair which is a lovely plane to pilot.
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huggy87
04-02-2004, 01:21 PM
The "aces against Japan" series by Eric Hammelis also some great reading.

Samurai has to be one of the best WW2 autobiographies I have ever read.

luthier1
04-02-2004, 01:22 PM
I have all those books. Osprey books are rarely a good resource for anything other than photos. Their color profiles are often way way off, and the narrative can occasionally be unbelievably poor.

Squadron/Signal is usually much better.

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Capt._Tenneal
04-02-2004, 01:29 PM
How about the Warbird Tech series, are they good or helpful ?

luthier1
04-02-2004, 01:37 PM
Warbird Tech series are pretty good. Unfortunately their blueprints suck so they aren't as useful for our purposes, but as a general reference they're very good.

The best references for plane modeling I have are from AJ Press (they're Czech I believe). Unbelievable blueprints, absolutely exhausing walkaround detail photos, tons of diagrams. Incredibly invaluable resource for us.

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RAC_Pips
04-02-2004, 05:18 PM
John Lundstrom's two books are indeed excellent. They fill a gap that has been all but ignored by historians ie early USN carrier ops.

But they are also very 'limited' in scope. To obtain a broader view of the Pacific War as a whole I recommend the following books as essential reading. They're all part of my Pacific library. All are air focused.

The Pacific War, by Peter Costello
Fire In The Sky, by Eric Bergerud
Blankets Of Fire, by Kenneth Werrel
The Catus Air Force, by thomas Miller
The Boeing B-29 Superfortress, by John Campbell
Buffalo's Over Singapore, by Brian Cull
Bloody Shambles Vol 1 & 2, by Christopher Shores
Japanese Naval Aces and Fighter Units, by Ikuhiko Hata and Yasuho Izawa
Japanese Army Air Force Fighter Units, by Ikuhiko Hata and Yasuho Izawa
Japanese Airtcraft Of WWII, by Rene Francillion
Kamikaze, by Raymond Lamont-Brown
Spitfires Over Darwin, by Jim Grant
The Seige Of Rabaul, by Henry Sakaida
The Forgotten Fifth, by Michael Claringbould
Possum, Clover and Hades, by John Stanaway
Protect and Avenge, by S W Ferguson
America's Hundred Thousand, by Francis Dean
Into The Dragon's Jaw, by Lex MacCauley
Australia's Pearl Harbour, by Douglas Lockward
Wings Over Burma, by Kenneth Hemminway
British Naval Aviation, by Ray Sturtivant
Eagles Of Mitsubishi, by Jiro Horikoshi
Sunburst- The Rise Of Japanese Naval Air Power, by Mark Peattie
Hurricanes Over Burma, by M C Cotton


Bio's and Autobio's
The Jolly rogers, by Tom Blackburn
The Hostile Sky, by James vernon
McCampbell's Heroes, by Edwin Hoyt
In My Sights, by James Moorehead
The Black Sheep, by Bruce Gamble
Into The Teeth Of The Tiger, by Donald Lopez
Angels Twenty, by Edward Park
Above Adn Beyond, by Charles Weiland
Jungle Pilot, by Barry Sutton
Commelins Thunderbirds, by Bruce and Leonard
Jungle Ace, by John Brunning
Samauri, by Saburo Sakai


Then of course there is a whole host of books dealing with specific aircraft of the various warring nations, but I won't bother to include those here. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

aminx
04-03-2004, 12:17 PM
i'll start with fire in the sky then move on to francillons book on jap planes.
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SkyChimp
04-03-2004, 12:40 PM
Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War by Francillon will be getting rarer and rarer, as it's out of print - again. If you can find it, buy it now.

I think Aeroplane Books may have some:
http://www.aeroplanebooks.com/


I also agree about the Osprey Books. The 2 volumes, Down To Earth and Long Reach are excellent since they are basicllay transcripts of USAAF documents. Twelve To One will hopefully be as good since it will basically be a Pacific version of .

But the other [I]Aces books are just interesting reads. Not much else.

Regards,
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[This message was edited by SkyChimp on Sat April 03 2004 at 11:56 AM.]

luthier1
04-03-2004, 12:54 PM
There's plenty of copies of Francillon's book available on amazon, from their affiliate booksellers. I just got mine in a bookstore. For those in NYC, Borders on Broadway near Wall street has a very nice selection on WWII and Pacific. Although it's thinned out a little bit after my constant visits http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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SkyChimp
04-03-2004, 01:11 PM
Japanese Aircraft... was originally published by Naval Institute Press in the '70s. Around 1987, Putnam began re-printing some of Naval Institute Press' books, including several of Francillon's titles, in the UK. The current editions of Japanese Aircraft... are these limited run re-prints. They are still to be had, but sooner or later supply will dry up since they are no longer in print even by Putnam.

Francillon's books are highly sought. Francillon's Grumman Aircraft: Since 1929 is next to impossible to find these days.

Putnam re-prints are excellent quality, and currently the only way to get new copies of certain reference books.

Aeroplane Books has a full listing and carries most:

http://www.aeroplanebooks.com/seriesPutnam.htm

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aminx
04-03-2004, 04:19 PM
skychimp

whch in your opinion is the most exciting to read?but correct and historical.
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SkyChimp
04-03-2004, 04:33 PM
You mean between Fire in the Sky and Japanese Aircraft...? They're different types of books.

Fire in the Sky is a history of the air-war in the southwest Pacific through about 1943. It's immensely interesting. It's well written and easy to read.

Japanese Aircraft... is a reference book profiling Japanese aircraft of WWII.

I think a library needs both http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Call_me_Kanno
04-03-2004, 05:01 PM
I just ordered "Fire In The Sky: The Air War in the South Pacific". I've seen this book recomended too may times not to read it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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SkyChimp
04-03-2004, 05:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Call_me_Kanno:
I just ordered "Fire In The Sky: The Air War in the South Pacific". I've seen this book recomended too may times not to read it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Remember, Fire in the Sky is a history. In that regard it is excellent. Do not rely on it for complete technical accuracy, though, as there are some errors.

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RAC_Pips
04-03-2004, 06:48 PM
Sky Chimp is quite correct. Although Fire In The SKy is excellent in it's comprehensiveness and scope it does contains many error's. But then just about all books do.

No author is infallible. Also keep in mind that a book does represent that author's viewpoint. He is writing on that particular subject because that is of high interest to him. So to a degree his view will be slightly skewed.

By reading lots of books on the subject you are better able to keep things in focus. Achieve a balance. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A good example of author's bias is the crop of new books that have been coming out over the past 5 or so years dealing with Italian Military Forces during WWII. Everyones knows the jokes that have done the rounds eg How many gears does an Italian Tank have? 5, one forward and four reverse.

Well, all jokes like that have a grounding in truth. But there is perhaps also a degree of propaganda involved too. The new books/authors argue that Italy had excellent soldiers and generals, that the problems associated with it's performance on the battlefield was more due to political interference at the highest level, as well as German bias in not providing material support for the Italians but using them to shield german forces. Both in the Western Desert and Russia.

Are those authors revisionist? Or are they opening up new issues that have been ignored or coloured by the victors to date? Only by reading as much as you can are you likely to be able to form your own opinions.

[This message was edited by RAC_Pips on Sat April 03 2004 at 05:59 PM.]

aminx
04-04-2004, 12:13 AM
skychimp
that's why i chose this mix .thanks
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goshikisen
04-04-2004, 09:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
Luthier,

BTW, how is _Flyboys_? _Flags of Our Fathers_ by the same author was maybe the best I've read.


_Regards,_
_SkyChimp_
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Chimp,

Flyboys is a great book... very much in the Ambrose style. I read it on a flight back from Hawaii which made it that much more compelling (that and the fact that there was a baby crying about 3 rows ahead of me which made sleep virtually impossible).

Bradley interviews a number of Japanese survivors of the war who were stationed on ChiChi Jima. These gents put an end to the mystery of what happened to the missing Avenger crew that parachuted on to the island.

There was a segment on either Dateline or 20/20 about 4 or 5 months ago that followed Bradley and former president George Bush on a trip back to ChiChi Jima... much of this trip is described in the book.

a bit off topic... I'm just starting "The Wild Blue" by Stephen Ambrose. Anybody read it?

Regards, Goshikisen

aminx
04-05-2004, 12:47 AM
the local book store has asked me for the publisher of "fire in the sky",
bye
aminx

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