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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 11:19 PM
I have been trying to practice take-offs in a Me-262 in off-line multiplay. Out of 50 attemps I have succeeded in getting airborne only twice. Just before rotation, I lose my left engine and that's it. It's always the left engine.

Sequence is a follows:
Select left engine, engine start, select right engine, engine start, select all engines. All done at 0 throttle, leaving lots of time for each engine to spool up. Slowly advance throttle to 30% power for taxiing, then slowly add power for take -off when in position. I lose left engine around 65% - 70%. It doesn't burn, just inoperable. I use concrete runways and stay on them.

Any hints as to what I am doing wrong?

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 11:19 PM
I have been trying to practice take-offs in a Me-262 in off-line multiplay. Out of 50 attemps I have succeeded in getting airborne only twice. Just before rotation, I lose my left engine and that's it. It's always the left engine.

Sequence is a follows:
Select left engine, engine start, select right engine, engine start, select all engines. All done at 0 throttle, leaving lots of time for each engine to spool up. Slowly advance throttle to 30% power for taxiing, then slowly add power for take -off when in position. I lose left engine around 65% - 70%. It doesn't burn, just inoperable. I use concrete runways and stay on them.

Any hints as to what I am doing wrong?

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 11:22 PM
the 262 is a bugger too get going, gotta be very liberal on accel... i know alot say to turn with engines etc.. i have notice to just leave bot engines alone and to allow the plane to get some speed, then hit rudder to where u want to turn and brakes, this turns the plane rather well.. when u take off just take it easy to over rev, i know some guys know extacly what rpm.. after taxing i get on runway, gas up to 50-- wait a fe then to 60-65 -- wait a few them up to 80s and so on, just have to take your time..

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 11:34 PM
What do you mean just before rotation? Are you on the runway, lined up for takeoff when this happens?

A sudden flame out of an engine at high rpm sounds like you are selecting it just after you have the other engine at a low rpm, so it suddenly jumps the high rpm engine down to the low power setting and that shuts it off. Other than this situation, I don't know what could be causing it. I can put up my server in HL and we can figure it out in there if you want. Let me know.

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 11:41 PM
Thanks for the offer Stecher_3. If you could open up your server I would gratefully accept your help.

My expression just before rotation means before lift off from the runway...... almost flying

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 11:46 PM
What's your HL nick?

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 11:48 PM
blairgowrie

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 11:59 PM
Can't find you in HL.

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 12:05 AM
I'm there, my name is 3./JG51_Stecher

Look in the general room, Dog. Mission 3,
click on the slot below my name

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 12:10 AM
I have only got IL-2 but i know that when the real pilots tryied to take off the Me 262 for the first time they had great difficutly. They needed a much longer runway because of the slow acceleration and the lift never seemed enough to lift up the plane. A solution was discovered that after hitting 200-230kms hit the wheel brakes for a second and the plane magically lifted its nose and hey presto it took off. I presume that this historically accurate take off method has been included in FB so give it a try and maybe tell me the results. Hope it helps...

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 12:12 AM
check your pager in HL, much easier than doing it here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 12:24 AM
Sorry I am new to hl and not sure how to work pager.

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 12:25 AM
I had to take it down, was clogging up the hosting spaces for other people. Here is how to use the pager in HL.

Above the Players and In Game lists, you'll see it say "Player Lists"
Click on that and it will bring up a menu
Select pager
Then you can go through the ones I have sent and respond to them.

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 12:27 AM
I saw all your messages but couldn't find the reply mechanism

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 12:27 AM
its the button that says "Re:"

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 12:29 AM
Ok i'll look for it again

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 12:31 AM
LOL

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 01:04 AM
Thanks to Stecher_3. He had me off the ground after second attempt.

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 02:12 AM
Just FYI Sherman8r, that method you mentioned was for the prototype with the tail wheel, not our production version with the tricycle gear. With the tail wheel causing it to sit with a high nose the airflow over the elevators was interupted and they couldn't lift the plane off the ground. So once it had a little speed, the pilot would tap the breaks which would bring the nose down and level the plane, giving it the proper airflow to gain speed and lift off.

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Message Edited on 11/06/0305:19PM by Stecher_3.-JG51

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 03:02 AM
I'm not entirely sure, but i still think even in the production model that to effectly take off the jet it was necessary to touch to brakes so that the nose would lift off bringing airflow over the elevators and increaseing the AoA giving the wing more lift. I must still say that i don't know if this is totally correct as i can't find any information on Me-262 taking off or have FB to test whether this has been included in it...but still maybe try when the speed is great enough...

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 03:27 AM
With the tricycle gear, breaking only digs the nose in, which is logical to me, and I'd think that's what it would do in real life. Where'd you get the idea that it lifted it from?

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 03:37 AM
the only prob. I've ever had getting 262 up (after i found that 180 km/h is NOT an acceptable takeoff speed) is flaming my motors.

You see, my old joystick had a throttle that went from 40%-100%, and not lower. So, i would carefully set it still, and use keyboard, but the slightest vibration would input the joystick's readings and my engines would take like a flock of sheep covered in unlit willy-peter.

anywho, once i got them started (and with my new stick it is easy) all you do is find a long stretch (you can do it on dirt feilds, also), point the nose down it, and rev to 60% until you get some speed, and then hit 100% until you are airborn doing 400-450 km/h.

Then drop to 85%. Flames come out of engine, but no telltale smoke trails. And they don't overheat at that power if you go fast. Use 85% to climb to alt, and then its all up to you. 100% is good for extending your zoom climbs just a wee bit longer, but not nescessary. Once you get above the action, you rule the skies.