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GSNei
06-11-2004, 01:45 PM
I can tell It's not British, but what is it?

GSNei
06-11-2004, 01:45 PM
I can tell It's not British, but what is it?

Tooz_69GIAP
06-11-2004, 01:50 PM
It's an Italian twin engined bomber. Was considered a really great aircraft, cept by 1940, it was starting to show it's age in terms of armament and performance, etc.

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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GSNei
06-11-2004, 01:54 PM
Thanx, I must have a pic somewhere in my reference books - I'll check it out.

JorBR
06-11-2004, 01:56 PM
Italian bomber Fiat Br.20 Cicogna "Stork" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Date: 1935
Crew: 5
Range: 1.240km with 1.000kg of bombs
Weapons: 4 MG 7,7 mm or 1 MG 12,7 mm and bombs 1.600kg
Production: 340 (85 to Japan)/ BR20M: 264

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blackTIE
06-11-2004, 02:13 PM
Is it this one? (http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/RegiaHTML/rbr201.htm)

But why the Bf-108? It's a fligthtrainer for gods sake. IT DOESN'T HAVE GUNS. (sorry my caps lock got stuck).

I love the detail on the 109-E. Simply amazing.

Capt._Tenneal
06-11-2004, 02:19 PM
I hope they have a separate Italian career (single player) for BOB. It looks promising if BOB even includes the "forgotten air forces" who participated in the battle. It would give a change of pace from the more common RAF vs. LW battles.

LEXX_Luthor
06-11-2004, 02:23 PM
Excellent http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif

Bf~108 will make excellent flight sim trainer for the Newbies

...if its Flyable... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

A real Bf for a change. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Now all BoB needs is Bf~109B, C, and D for Spanish Civil WAR.


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SUPERAEREO
06-12-2004, 05:18 AM
The Fiat Br.20 M (M = Modificato - modified: the nose had been reworked) were part of the Italian contingent on the Channel Front and bombed Harwich.

True the Bf.108 has no guns, but the C-47 has no guns either and it's still in FB, is it not..?

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DuxCorvan
06-12-2004, 05:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>But why the Bf-108? It's a fligthtrainer for gods sake. IT DOESN'T HAVE GUNS. (sorry my caps lock got stuck).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't like aircraft. Go play Doom 3. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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DeBaer.534
06-12-2004, 05:33 AM
you would be stunned about all the things which the germans used for combat.
for example they used the Bücker Bü 131 (very similar to the Bf108) armed with Panzerfausts as a tank destroyer. yes sir, no joke.
also ever thought about the possibility of a real career, where you start from the scratch in flight school? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

F19_Olli72
06-12-2004, 05:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by blackTIE:
But why the Bf-108? It's a fligthtrainer for gods sake. IT DOESN'T HAVE GUNS. (sorry my caps lock got stuck).

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Bf-108 wasnt a trainer though? David Mondey's "Axis aircraft of World War II" says it was a communications aircraft.

Someone mustve thought it was a good racer too cos it was in the air rallies in the 1936 Olympics http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Tully__
06-12-2004, 06:25 AM
A frequent request in the early days of IL2 was for a dual control aircraft that could be used for online flight instruction, with control switchable from the "instructor's" seat. Oleg stated it is not possible in the IL2 engine. One might hope that all those requests have had their effect... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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SeaFireLIV
06-12-2004, 06:32 AM
Wow. It would be great to have a `trainer` 2 man aircraft. It certainly would help people understand all those combat manouevers that can be confusing at first.

It could be used online in Squad training and offline with an experienced AI pilot showing the Human passenger the ropes in training school before going to battle!

The words "You now have control, Recruit." could become quite popular.

michapma
06-12-2004, 06:39 AM
Actually you can show new pilots the ropes with a track. You just can't get that "live" feeling, and you can't talk comms at the same time.

Man, that would be awesome. I would retire as fighter pilot in my squadron and be a full-time flight instructor! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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DeBaer.534
06-12-2004, 07:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by michapma:

Man, that _would_ be awesome. I would retire as fighter pilot in my squadron and be a full-time flight instructor! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you sure? id say life as a fighter pilot is much safer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WTE_Ibis
06-12-2004, 07:50 AM
My real life instructor always wore brown pants
after a near mid air collision,not my fault btw
some clown entered the circuit from wrong direction and height,no radio check either.My instructor was buzy reading a map as I climbed away from base when I suddenly saw the other aircraft approaching on what seemed a collision course,
a split second decision on my part prompted me to hold course as I deduced that the other craft would be close but pass under us and I was using all available power in the climb. In the instant that all this was happening I called "aircraft close port side".Well that's when he made his decision to always where brown for my
lessons.Btw the colour of his face did not match the colour of his pants. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif

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DuxCorvan
06-12-2004, 08:38 AM
Bf 108 was not a trainer. It was a liaison transport. And it was really reliable and fast in the mid-late 30s. It won several races.

The single-engine advanced trainer most used by LW was the Arado Ar 96 series. For basics, they used Bücker Bü 131 and 133, Focke-Wulf Fw 44, and Gotha Go 145.

For multi-engined, they liked that Siebel multirole plane.

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[This message was edited by DuxCorvan on Sat June 12 2004 at 01:12 PM.]

Bull_dog_
06-12-2004, 09:32 AM
There sure are some cryptic "krap" planes being developed...this might be the coolest krap plane simulation ever at the pace its going!

I was worried it would be another "Battle of Britian" scene with the usual compliments of spits, hurricanes, 109's,110's stukas and a few He-111's to shoot at but I'm seeing a whole lot of very unusual aircraft...krap planes! Yahoo! Now I read about a 1939 add on already...the phony war years...through the battle of Britian haven't been done any justice in the flight simulation world... more truly forgotten battles.

Maybe Oleg will rename it... Battle of ???

Krap planes maybe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I love that term and I love flying em... to tell ya the truth, I'm getting a little weary of the 109K's, Z's, Dora's, Ki's, Mustangs, La's, Yak 3's etc... Really looking forward to Pacific Fighters... and if the development continues the way its going BoB may be better than I anticipated.

IL2-chuter
06-12-2004, 10:44 AM
It was 108's that got von Ryan in "Von Ryan's Express". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


You don't need any more evidence than that.

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