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bluesman69uk
03-29-2004, 11:29 AM
Ok I know this plane never flew in combat but it just seems very fast say compared the P38. Ive set up a few QMB missions flying against the 109z with P38's against veteran and ace level, but the 109 always seems to outrun me.

What do you guys use to fight against this bird? No jets, just props.

Would the 109 z really have made a difference if it had flew in combat? Would it really be able to outrun Mustangs or is it a bit overmodelled?

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bluesman69uk
03-29-2004, 11:29 AM
Ok I know this plane never flew in combat but it just seems very fast say compared the P38. Ive set up a few QMB missions flying against the 109z with P38's against veteran and ace level, but the 109 always seems to outrun me.

What do you guys use to fight against this bird? No jets, just props.

Would the 109 z really have made a difference if it had flew in combat? Would it really be able to outrun Mustangs or is it a bit overmodelled?

Cheers

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Vortex_uk
03-29-2004, 01:23 PM
I'd say it a little overmoddeled,and if it never flew in combat,how does oleg know that it had 4 Mk108s?? and an extra Mk103 gunpod? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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noshens
03-29-2004, 01:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vortex_uk:
I'd say it a little overmoddeled,and if it never flew in combat,how does oleg know that it had 4 Mk108s?? and an extra Mk103 gunpod? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif
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...and 2x250kg and 1x500kg http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

If and only if Oleg was making up its performance attributes then at least what he could do is give it weak and strong points. (more weak please http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)

Vortex_uk
03-29-2004, 01:33 PM
Use a Yp-80 lauch 6x50 cals. into the pit,that does it for me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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Zyzbot
03-29-2004, 08:00 PM
P-51C works well for me.

jenikovtaw
03-29-2004, 09:42 PM
the multi-cannon 30mm arrays really destroy the whole point of big bombers, you know.

1 volley, of maybe 2 shots from each cannon, thats 8 30mm rounds flying. Say even 2 of them hit (usually broadsite all of em hit) and B17 is disintegrated, you know?

BS87
03-29-2004, 09:45 PM
A pair of 1000lb bombs from my 38 or 51 usualy does the trick http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I vulch those bastages with extreme predjudice.

JG6_Oddball
03-29-2004, 10:04 PM
The same good people who brought us the TIGER tank must have had a hand in arming the Z http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif...theres nothing like flying artillery http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> bluesman69uk
posted 29-03-04 10:29



Ok I know this plane never flew in combat but it just seems very fast say compared the P38. Ive set up a few QMB missions flying against the 109z with P38's against veteran and ace level, but the 109 always seems to outrun me.

What do you guys use to fight against this bird? No jets, just props.

Would the 109 z really have made a difference if it had flew in combat? Would it really be able to outrun Mustangs or is it a bit overmodelled? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My guess is that if that thing had been put into major production it would have become a real big problem for air and ground uits.

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VVS-Manuc
03-30-2004, 01:51 AM
Bf 109 Z is undermodelled!

LEXX_Luthor
03-30-2004, 02:06 AM
Z handles poor at high altitudes, just a note for the militant radical Ta camp.


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crazyivan1970
03-30-2004, 02:09 AM
It`s a nice plane... but just a plane. There are others in the game that i rather be in http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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WOLFMondo
03-30-2004, 02:19 AM
I've only flown a small number of planes against it but the P38 doesn't fair to well at low altitudes compared with it. Maybe its just me but the BF109Z is a bit to good. Saying that, onces its takes some damage the handling becomes quite poor.

Its armament is very potent, I've found once the opponents got a shot on me in it, its all over and facing one down in a head on charge is suicidal in any plane.

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SeaFireLIV
03-30-2004, 02:25 AM
Well, it`s a true fantasy plane in my book. It performs far too well for it`s deadly armament. It ought to be more unwieldy for certain. It ought to be a handful for any pilot. I`ll almost guarantee that if this thing flew in combat, they`d be taking it back to the drawing board and getting rid of one or two of those guns... TRUE fantasy.

LEXX_Luthor
03-30-2004, 02:48 AM
Don't be so sure. It is more than just 2 Fb109s tied together, and so should easily carry at least twice as much weaponry as 2 Fb109s. Anyway, Newbie pilots were never a concern for late Fb109 designers anyway.



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AFJ_Locust
03-31-2004, 10:54 AM
I bomb them when there on the strip http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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VW-IceFire
03-31-2004, 03:18 PM
I...umm...well just pput it this way...if I have a choice of targets the 109Z I will pursue until its dead. You cannot be defensive against this fighter...you get it or your dead.

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RidgeR5
03-31-2004, 03:42 PM
109Z has an obscenely small amount of ammo. about 2 or 3 seconds worth. Also, see my post in the bug report thread. I blew the elevator and horizontal stab off a guy's online yesterday, and he still managed to get into a dogfight with me and shoot me down, then fly a few circuits in the pattern before landing...

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JG6_Oddball
03-31-2004, 06:00 PM
The only thing we can do with the 109Z is hope that entire squads dont form that fly that plane exclusively http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif, that would be murder to encouter 6 of them flying high http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

plane 1 : I got bandits at 3 oclock

plane 2: can you tell what they are?

plane 1 : nope, not ye.....OH DEAR GOD!! THERE ARE 6 109Z's

plane 2: bail out..

plane 1: what?

plane 2: just bail out

plane 1: why??

BOOOOOM

plane 2: nevermind...I see you out of you plane now....and smered all over the side of MINE!

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EmbarkChief
03-31-2004, 07:11 PM
LOL oddball! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

Neww_Guy
04-04-2004, 08:26 PM
some well known American Planes do very well vs the Z- flwn where they are best suited to fly of course.

VW-IceFire
04-04-2004, 08:52 PM
My argument with this plane is that it outperforms virtually every other 1944/45 aircraft we currently have. Only the La-7 I've found can beat the 109Z in a flat out (at least over the short term) speed race at low level. In terms of manuverability its slightly worse at roll than a regular 109 and much better in the pitch department so it can do extremely good turns, its seemingly very stable, and its firepower destroys everything infront of it.

The only time this plane should be present on dogfight servers is when the jets are also present. The Ta-152H has various good and bad points that make it a great plane to fly but a plane you can beat...the 109Z you can't seemingly beat on level footing at all...

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Jumoschwanz
04-04-2004, 10:42 PM
Hi guys,

Of course the 109z is a fantasy plane. But it is a he11 of a lot of fun. I thank those who spent thier time giving it to us.

How about looking up the performance of the twin-mustang? That ought to give an idea of how it might have performed. The twin mustang was the same configuration. I read some articles on it a long time ago and it was a real fast plane with a bunch of .50s carried between the fuselages.

I think it is funny to out spiral-climb a la7 then zoom and boom it. When someone is on my tail I just level it out and fly away, when i hit 400kmhr, which happens fast, i loop it back and i am on top of them. Cool.

My favorite server unfortunately banned this plane as unhistorical. It was built but i heard it was destroyed on the ground before it had a chance to fly. Rats.

Jumoschwanz

EDtheHead6445
04-05-2004, 06:59 AM
I managed to down one in a spitfire, which wasn't too difficult.