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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 08:22 PM
In the aircraft specs combat turn is mentioned, the russian birds shows a crushing advantage in this maneuver compared to the German and U.S aircrafts. What is a combat turn, what is it good for? What makes the russian birds so good at this? Any ideas?

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 08:22 PM
In the aircraft specs combat turn is mentioned, the russian birds shows a crushing advantage in this maneuver compared to the German and U.S aircrafts. What is a combat turn, what is it good for? What makes the russian birds so good at this? Any ideas?

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 10:50 PM
robban75 wrote:
- What makes the russian birds so good at this? Any ideas?

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 11:55 PM
Hi guessing here but,

Normal aircraft fly a standard turn, in the FS2000 Pro manual it says:

"A turn of either 3 degrees or 1.5 degrees per second. Small aircraft typically use the 3 degree/second rate, which results in a 360 degree turn after 2 minutes. Large, fast aircraft typically use the slower rate, which results in a 360-degree turn in 4 minutes. Pilots use the standard rate turn while flying under instrument Flight Rules (IFR). It provides a steady, predictable, and easy-to-control rate of turn."

Aerobatics aircraft fly a Competition turn:

(Aerobatics site)
"Competition turns are not co-ordinated manoeuvres that you use in normal flying. In a competition turn you first roll to the desired bank. It has to be at least 60 degrees. My experience shows that the steeper the bank, the better the scores. I try to get close to 90 degrees bank. Once the bank is established the turn is started. The plane has to maintain a constant bank and altitude throughout the turn. At the end of the turn the turn is stopped and then the wings levelled for horizontal flight."

And finally fighters fly combat turns.

So usually Soviet aircraft fly with a better Combat turn that Axis because of there shape and engine. Wings further back (Sweeped back) and rudder trim help.




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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 12:46 AM
robban75 wrote:
- In the aircraft specs combat turn is mentioned, the
- russian birds shows a crushing advantage in this
- maneuver compared to the German and U.S aircrafts.
- What is a combat turn, what is it good for? What
- makes the russian birds so good at this? Any ideas?
-

Most of what I read shows combat turns in reference to how much altitude is gained i.e. "...climb during a combat turn being 3600ft."(refering to the Yak-9T) This makes me think it's refering to something like an Immelman. It has always puzzled me too though...

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 12:53 AM
lower wing loading helps doesnt it?

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 12:56 AM
I think it's a simply a climbing turn during combat.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 01:05 AM
Have a look at this:

http://www.btinternet.com/~fulltilt/combat_t.JPG




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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 01:20 AM
Combat turn is explained in IL-2 original training track. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-very-happy.gif

Ooooohh.. What a sensation at that time. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

Just think it as 45 degrees climbing turn. It's much more effective than horizontal turn.


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Buzz_25th
10-23-2003, 01:41 AM
1000% better than a horizontal turn.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 06:38 AM
Great answers! Thanks guys!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 08:26 AM
Japanese aircraft had an extremely great combat turn as well.

Light wooden construction gives the planes this advantage how ever they are prone to fatal damage from very light hits and cannot handle high g's or thier airframes would overstress and break apart.

the US and German a/c are bnz aircraft metal airframes which when overstressed bend the airframe but they are still flyable where the wooden airframe would snap especially in frigid tempatures but this isnt modeled in the game and is a major part of flight that this game is missing and a disadvantage the vvs had. Also the vvs seem alot stronger then they should be.

Thats why people think vvs is slightly bias but getting all the statisics accurate without airframe overstressing will make the vvs seem more superior then they are.

Im hoping olegs next sim Battle of Britian will attemp to master this necessity of wwii combat flight



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Zayets
10-23-2003, 11:14 AM
Hoho!
I wish the La's and Yaks will have 250kph by the end of the turn. You will be surprised that they travel faster than your crate in level flight (~320kph). Closing in for them will be (and it is) a piece of cake!

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 11:49 AM
Actually... given the same structural strength a wooden structure is much more flexible than one in metal. It "snaps" far later.

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