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robban75
07-25-2004, 06:20 AM
People have been commenting on that planes feel different now after the patch but they haven't been able to put their finger on what the difference might be. This might be the answer!

After taking the Fw 190D-9 for a spin against an AI La-7 I was impressed with the speed build up in dives.

I decided to do some simple testing.

I started at 3000m in the QMB, leaving the engine at idle. Then I pushed the nose forward achieving a 45 degree dive angle. I read the speed after every 500m passed.

Results below. In km/h.


La-7 - D-9 - (dif)

3000m - 309 - 307 -
2500m - 432 - 450 - (18)
2000m - 530 - 552 - (22)
1500m - 593 - 624 - (31)
1000m - 643 - 676 - (33)
500m - 697 - 733 - (36)

Yak-3

3000m - 307
2500m - 434
2000m - 532
1500m - 600
1000m - 649
500m - 697

Spitfire MkVb - Fw 190A-4 - (dif)

3000m - 306 - 305
2500m - 426 - 443 - (17)
2000m - 516 - 544 - (28)
1500m - 579 - 611 - (32)
1000m - 620 - 660 - (40)
500m - 658 - 710 - (52)

So what do you guys think?

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robban75
07-25-2004, 06:20 AM
People have been commenting on that planes feel different now after the patch but they haven't been able to put their finger on what the difference might be. This might be the answer!

After taking the Fw 190D-9 for a spin against an AI La-7 I was impressed with the speed build up in dives.

I decided to do some simple testing.

I started at 3000m in the QMB, leaving the engine at idle. Then I pushed the nose forward achieving a 45 degree dive angle. I read the speed after every 500m passed.

Results below. In km/h.


La-7 - D-9 - (dif)

3000m - 309 - 307 -
2500m - 432 - 450 - (18)
2000m - 530 - 552 - (22)
1500m - 593 - 624 - (31)
1000m - 643 - 676 - (33)
500m - 697 - 733 - (36)

Yak-3

3000m - 307
2500m - 434
2000m - 532
1500m - 600
1000m - 649
500m - 697

Spitfire MkVb - Fw 190A-4 - (dif)

3000m - 306 - 305
2500m - 426 - 443 - (17)
2000m - 516 - 544 - (28)
1500m - 579 - 611 - (32)
1000m - 620 - 660 - (40)
500m - 658 - 710 - (52)

So what do you guys think?

Is this outstanding or what?! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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HarryVoyager
07-25-2004, 06:27 AM
Any P-47 tests?

Other then that, sounds good to me.

Harry Voyager

KGr.HH-Sunburst
07-25-2004, 06:56 AM
robban thanks for the tests,its good to see we FW190 pilots can out dive something http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
BUT you did test against AI right?
im not to convinced about them so wouldnt it not be better to test human vs human to make sure ?

i remember diving away from a AI la7 when he was on my tail and we ended up on the deck with 850kph and all that time he stayed on my tail so im not sure

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LeadSpitter_
07-25-2004, 07:00 AM
shh you shouldnt have ruined it let them figure it out on thier own http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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pourshot
07-25-2004, 07:25 AM
I did notice this online already but did not test it, I find the 109 dives away from the p40 with ease now.

Hmmm wonder how the p40 goes against the zero now.

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SeaFireLIV
07-25-2004, 07:30 AM
I`m not really technical, but I`ve been taking on FWs in Campaign and I did notice when those things dive they dive like a bat out of hell now! Extremely fast!

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robban75
07-25-2004, 07:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RK_HH-Sunburst:
you did test against AI right?
im not to convinced about them so wouldnt it not be better to test human vs human to make sure ?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't compare the dive against the AI, I flew all the planes myself when conducting these tests. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The AI is super in everything, forget about outdiving an AI La-7 flying the D-9. The AI has no breaking point, it will go on forever.

Lets wait and see how much difference this change to the FM's will on online fights!

I'll do some more testing later! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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609IAP_Recon
07-25-2004, 08:03 AM
" I find the 109 dives away from the p40 with ease now."

Your not flying the same sim as me - I love it when 109's dive away from my p40 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I catch them and tear them apart.

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Mike8686
07-25-2004, 08:17 AM
Not trying to be the pessimist, but excited from reading this post I went on to test it myself. Starting at 3000m, at 260km/h I dove pointing my nose at the ground directly below me with 100% throttle with D9 La7 109G10 and P51 and they all had the same speed at 800m, I then tried it with 0% throttle, again very similar, al aircraft the same or different by just 5-10 km/h. I really hope I'm doing something wrong but it doesnt seem so http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Zayets
07-25-2004, 08:23 AM
What was the initial speed ,before the dive started.Leaving engine at idle doesn't matter too much.If one plane had 300kph at 3000,and other 250kph,or whatever,the test is not quite relevant IMHO.

Edit : OK, I see now that the speed were quite equal,so,disregard my post.
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Hoarmurath
07-25-2004, 08:24 AM
indeed!!!!

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Much better!!!!

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TgD Thunderbolt56
07-25-2004, 08:26 AM
As posted in the first entry...a Yak3 can dive with a D9 from 3k? hmmm.

I would suggest going to 4k for a more thorough test and dive more steeply. I like the Yak3, but would hate to think it could dive with a FW...even if it is a Dora. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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robban75
07-25-2004, 09:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thunderbolt56:
As posted in the first entry...a Yak3 can dive with a D9 from 3k? hmmm.

I would suggest going to 4k for a more thorough test and dive more steeply. I like the Yak3, but would hate to think it could dive with a FW...even if it is a Dora. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Yak cannot dive with the D-9.

Yak-3 - D9

3000m - 307 - 307 starting speed.
2500m - 434 - 450
2000m - 532 - 552
1500m - 600 - 624
1000m - 649 - 676
500m - 697 - 733

When doing the same test pre-patch all planes would have the same speed at every 500m. Now, as you can see, that isn't the case anymore. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

If it is true to real life I don't know. In RL the D-9 could leave the Yak-3 and Yak-9 standing in a dive.

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PF_Coastie
07-25-2004, 09:22 AM
Why do the tests at zero throttle? I have noticed that allied AC do not slow down much in a dive when going zero throttle as compared to wide open. But, OKL AC will not dive as fast when at zero throttle.

What I am saying is that if full power was applied, shouldnt the OKL planes accellerate much faster in a dive? Or would that over rev their engine?

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