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SkyChimp
07-05-2004, 07:01 PM
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/Wave/image/memoire/0084/sap01_cvl00085_p.jpg

There was a neat discussion at the AWF and this link was posted. I'm completely fascinated by old, and I mean OLD, color photos.

Peruse this site. It's really neat:

http://www.mediatheque-patrimoine.culture.gouv.fr/fr/archives_photo/visites_guidees/autochromes.html#2

Regards,
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SkyChimp
07-05-2004, 07:01 PM
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/Wave/image/memoire/0084/sap01_cvl00085_p.jpg

There was a neat discussion at the AWF and this link was posted. I'm completely fascinated by old, and I mean OLD, color photos.

Peruse this site. It's really neat:

http://www.mediatheque-patrimoine.culture.gouv.fr/fr/archives_photo/visites_guidees/autochromes.html#2

Regards,
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heywooood
07-05-2004, 07:07 PM
very nice Skychimp. Neuport 17

Makes me wish 3rd party would do a WW1 sim based on FB engine...



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[This message was edited by heywooood on Mon July 05 2004 at 06:26 PM.]

Magister__Ludi
07-05-2004, 07:17 PM
Interesting find, Skychimp.
What's this AWF board?

SkyChimp
07-05-2004, 07:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Magister__Ludi:
Interesting find, Skychimp.
What's this AWF board?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.airwarfareforum.com/index.php

Regards,
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Magister__Ludi
07-05-2004, 07:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Magister__Ludi:
Interesting find, Skychimp.
What's this AWF board?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.airwarfareforum.com/index.php

_Regards,_
http://members.cox.net/us.fighters/j-rogers.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thanks again.
Seems that a lot of people from good old AAW board camped there.

heywooood
07-05-2004, 08:51 PM
http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/aircraft/Albatros_2.JPG

this is from Old Rhinebeck... not a vintage photo, but I thought it looked good.



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9th_Bloodfist
07-05-2004, 09:46 PM
All though that first plane looks nice, I'm pretty sure its a fake. If you take a look at the ground and the grass and leaves, their to huge. Just looking at it has that "godzilla" movie prop feel. Sorry to sound so negative guys I just call them as I see them.

http://www.lordsofwar.com/public_uploads/Bloodfist/bloodfinishsig.jpg

heywooood
07-05-2004, 11:09 PM
I just assumed it was sitting in a cabbage patch... Chimp?...what did you do? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif



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ELEM
07-06-2004, 01:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 9th_Bloodfist:
All though that first plane looks nice, I'm pretty sure its a fake. If you take a look at the ground and the grass and leaves, their to huge. Just looking at it has that "godzilla" movie prop feel. Sorry to sound so negative guys I just call them as I see them.

http://www.lordsofwar.com/public_uploads/Bloodfist/bloodfinishsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's nothing fake about that photo. That's a beautiful original Nieuport 17. They were a very small a/c.

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Elem_Klimov/I-16_desktop.jpg http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Elem_Klimov/dhm_787_small.jpg

arcadeace
07-06-2004, 01:49 AM
Its easy to view WWI as stale and distant, color photos are nice. You can go there. Thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

gombal40
07-06-2004, 02:35 AM
well not photo but very rare indeed. A paper dated 1909, colour..Bleriot crossing channel.

And i know where its kept.

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/User_files/40714dfd1550d79b.jpg
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/User_files/40714df21588d789.jpg
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/User_files/40714e091574e093.jpg

Tooz_69GIAP
07-06-2004, 04:05 AM
I'm looking forward to Knights Over Europe.

Screenies look good so far, and dynamic campaigns, and independant ground war which may or may not be affected by your actions in game, hopefully decent physics and damage modelling.

Oh man, can't wait to grab a Sopwith Camel and give old Jerry what for!!

"Watch for the hun in the sun!!!"

Tooz

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BinaryFalcon
07-06-2004, 11:30 AM
I don't know, I'm inclined to agree with Bloodfist on this one. While it appears that the first commercial color film became available in 1907, it seems unlikely to me that that picture was taken during WWI itself.

Further, small plane or not, there appear to be a lot of scale issues with that image. Focal depth is just "off" somehow, with objects in the foreground far too out of focus with respect to the aircraft itself, while the background goes out of focus again almost immediately behind the plane. It's similar to the effect you'd get with a "macro" lens, or like those old war movies that show ships travelling through the "ocean", but because of the scale and focal requirements all of the waves in the foreground are out of focus.

It just doesn't quite fit right, and I'm much more inclined to believe that it's a quarter or half scale reproduction (such as an RC aicraft) than a period photo of the real thing.

I could be wrong, but that's the impression it gives - not that of a small airplane, but of a small scale version of a full sized airplane.

For a good example, compare it to heywooood's picture above. Even accounting for changing camera technology, you can see that there's fairly even focus throughout the entire image, which is a result of having to stand far enough back from the real thing to get it all into frame. You don't get that even kind of look with small scale objects shot at short distances with very fixed focus depth.

But either way, it's a nice picture.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ELEM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 9th_Bloodfist:
All though that first plane looks nice, I'm pretty sure its a fake. If you take a look at the ground and the grass and leaves, their to huge. Just looking at it has that "godzilla" movie prop feel. Sorry to sound so negative guys I just call them as I see them.

http://www.lordsofwar.com/public_uploads/Bloodfist/bloodfinishsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's nothing fake about that photo. That's a beautiful original Nieuport 17. They were a very small a/c.

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Elem_Klimov/I-16_desktop.jpg http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Elem_Klimov/dhm_787_small.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[This message was edited by BinaryFalcon on Tue July 06 2004 at 10:40 AM.]

Franzen
07-06-2004, 12:03 PM
I still find it very strange to see WW1 in color. I have a 5 disc dvd set whereas they used computers to color all the old films. Really amazing.

BTW, nice model in the first pic. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen

AndyHigh
07-06-2004, 12:37 PM
Hi,
Its just about using a large aperture. Remember that early film was very slow, and color film propably even slower. And cameras back then used large format sheet film or 6 cm wide rollfilm which meant that focal lengths were much longer than in 35mm and digital cameras. That meant also shallower depth of field. First 35mm camera appeared to market in the twenties (Leica). Softness at the bottom edge might also be result of bad quality lens, lenses weren't of the same quality than today.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BinaryFalcon:
Focal depth is just "off" somehow, with objects in the foreground far too out of focus with respect to the aircraft itself, while the background goes out of focus again almost immediately behind the plane. It's similar to the effect you'd get with a "macro" lens, or like those old war movies that show ships travelling through the "ocean", but because of the scale and focal requirements all of the waves in the foreground are out of focus.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
07-06-2004, 12:38 PM
Nice pictures all the same. Old aircraft are always interesting to see and have the added bonus that you could (almost) build one in your gargage http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v323/tHeBaLrOgRoCkS/planes/signiture3.jpg

ELEM
07-06-2004, 01:26 PM
All you doubters are missing the point. Skychimps original post had a link to a French government website from which the Photo was taken. If you type "Nieuport" into the search page here:-

http://www.culture.fr/public/mistral/memsap_fr?ACTION=RETOUR&USRNAME=nobody&USRPWD=4$%34P

you will see where it comes from. It was taken in 1917 by Fernand Cuville.

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Elem_Klimov/I-16_desktop.jpg http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Elem_Klimov/dhm_787_small.jpg

[This message was edited by ELEM on Wed July 07 2004 at 07:42 AM.]

Yellonet
07-06-2004, 02:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 9th_Bloodfist:
All though that first plane looks nice, I'm pretty sure its a fake. If you take a look at the ground and the grass and leaves, their to huge. Just looking at it has that "godzilla" movie prop feel. Sorry to sound so negative guys I just call them as I see them.

http://www.lordsofwar.com/public_uploads/Bloodfist/bloodfinishsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just what I thought.. looks like a model.


- Yellonet

LeadSpitter_
07-06-2004, 04:47 PM
Very cool stuff. All you need to do in photoshop is make 3 layers

original photo 85-95% opacity
colors layer/backround

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/LSIG1.gif

JV44Rall
07-06-2004, 05:15 PM
Amazing. I didn't think anything like this existed. I looked up Fernand Cuville on Google and found this http://www.awm.gov.au/captured/french/tradition.asp.

It links to

http://www.awm.gov.au/captured/images/paget/P03631_013i.jpg

and

http://www.awm.gov.au/captured/images/paget/P03631_026b.jpg

Both of which were done by Australian color photograpers during WWI. Very cool stuff. Thanks!

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SUPERAEREO
07-06-2004, 05:26 PM
Does anyone know if "Knights over Europe" is still going to come out? Their site hasn't changed in months... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

S!



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Tooz_69GIAP
07-06-2004, 05:41 PM
Scheduled for Q4.

Was originally meant to come out in Q2, but their publisher didn't want to do it for another 6 months, so around X-mas is when it should come.

Tooz

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T_O_A_D
07-06-2004, 06:35 PM
Very cool site. One was posted awhile back from rusia don't have the link. But what hits me is short the equipment WAR looks very much the same then as now.

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Oilburner_TAW
07-06-2004, 09:04 PM
Incredible color photos from 1900-1915 @ library of congress (actually 3 filter photos combined to make a color image)

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/

heywooood
07-06-2004, 09:58 PM
KOE looks stalled to me too... I am also very interested in this one.



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