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Oleg_Maddox
08-10-2004, 04:20 AM
We need good info for Japanese "rocket bombs" (rockets)

Tow main serial types 10 kg and 60 kg

Type 3 No.1 28-Go Bomb
Type 3 No.6 27-Go Bomb

Need mostly the pics of them, scale, pics of racks/rails, and infor for warhead work of No.6 27-Go Bomb.

Oleg_Maddox
08-10-2004, 04:20 AM
We need good info for Japanese "rocket bombs" (rockets)

Tow main serial types 10 kg and 60 kg

Type 3 No.1 28-Go Bomb
Type 3 No.6 27-Go Bomb

Need mostly the pics of them, scale, pics of racks/rails, and infor for warhead work of No.6 27-Go Bomb.

Tooz_69GIAP
08-10-2004, 05:13 AM
This is the only link that google comes up with for those bomb types:

http://uk.geocities.com/sadakichi09/navy/IJN-Bomb.htm

Technical specs like dimensions and weight, etc, but no pictures.

I might have some info on my hard drive somewhere, will look.

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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Tooz_69GIAP
08-10-2004, 05:42 AM
http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/tooz/Zero%20rocket%20rails.jpg

I think it's a zero A6M7 Model 63.

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/tooz/Zero%20rocket%20rails%202.jpg

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/tooz/Zero%20rocket%20rails%201.jpg

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/tooz/Zero%20rocket%20rails%203.jpg

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/tooz/Zero%20rocket%20rails%204.jpg

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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[This message was edited by Tooz_69GIAP on Tue August 10 2004 at 04:56 AM.]

Yes. It seems if I'm not wrong one of them had several warheads....

But anyway I need the pics of them.... at least

[This message was edited by Oleg_Maddox on Tue August 10 2004 at 06:00 AM.]

Tooz_69GIAP
08-10-2004, 05:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:and infor for warhead work of No.6 27-Go Bomb.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you mean you want to know what type of warhead it was?? Whether it was a fragmentation warhead, or high explosive, or demolition warhead, etc???

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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Tooz_69GIAP
08-10-2004, 06:51 AM
http://www.j-aircraft.com/walk/sean_mannion/zero1.jpg

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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Tooz_69GIAP
08-10-2004, 07:17 AM
Here's a 3-view of the A6M8 and you can see the 4 rails on each wing just outboard of the guns.

http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/a6m8.gif

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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p1ngu666
08-10-2004, 07:27 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif
ill have a look in my zero book, but i dont think it had anything on rockets http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
it also smells of sick http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Oleg_Maddox
08-10-2004, 07:28 AM
Thanks a lot, but really need the pics of rockets itself.
Also the one that is large caliber probably had many "warheads"...

Tooz_69GIAP
08-10-2004, 07:35 AM
I'm looking, but I am really having trouble finding pix of the rockets themselves. I can find plenty pix of German and Allied ordnance, but nothing on Japanese stuff, except for the odd bomb here and there.

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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Busysilent1
08-10-2004, 07:47 AM
Does anyone have this book:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/087021313X/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-0387189-6238316#reader-page

See Appendix F for Japanese Aircraft Armament.

RxMan
08-10-2004, 08:49 AM
Still no pics, but this may help.
Japanese air to air rockets for zero

Posted By: Paul &lt;mailto:Paulmicklos@prodigy.net?subject=Japanese air to air rockets for zero&gt;
Date: Wednesday, 6 December 2000, at 3:46 p.m.

Hi guys
I was wondering if any of you had the stats for the air to air rockets used on the zero or the aireal bombs the japanese used to drop on other planes. Mainly looking for range, and dimentions of the bombs and rockets, any help would be nice,
Thanks for your time.
Paul

Re: Japanese air to air rockets for zero

Posted By: richard dunn &lt;mailto:rdunn@rhsmith.umd.edu?subject=Re: Japanese air to air rockets for zero&gt;
Date: Monday, 11 December 2000, at 3:08 p.m.

In Response To: Japanese air to air rockets for zero (Paul)

Paul
Maybe I can be of a little help on the bombs or at least one type. This data comes from a translation (Cincpac-Cincpoa 11198) of Japanese Air HQ explanatory notes on the Type 99 #3 Mark III bomb, Mod 1. Date Nov 1 1943.

In comparison to an earlier version "the arming period of this bomb (the period necessary for the bome to revolve 1000 rpm from the time of dropping) has been shortened and the bomb will detonate at a time setting of 3 seconds while traveling at 240-250 knots."

"The nose and body are welded together, and the tail assembly is joined to the body by an adapter..."
"There is a sheet-steel charge cylinder 1 mm thick with clusters and yellow phosphorus inside the bomb case..."
length 693mm, width at widest point 147mm, weight of clusters 10.3 kg (144 units), burster charge 1.5kg, overall wgt 34 kg.

Tip of the nose green, second ring silver, body grey, tail fin strut red.

There are lots more technical details but this may provide some of the info you are interested in. Range can be inferred from the speed and time given above.

Early bomb attacks (from Allied reports) were from overhead with bomb dropping a/c flying in same direction as attacker. Later (presumably with the bomb desribed above) attacks were dives from the frontal quarter with the bomb "lobbed" by a pull up before release. In a successful attack on a PB4Y in Western New Guinea in May 1944 the Zeros approched from head on below bomber level, pulled up and lobbed their bombs. The number employed suggested they were equipped with the five bomb racks documented in the photos in Cincpac-Cincpoa Weekly Intel Sum v. I #4 p 15-16.

Hope this helps.
Rick Dunn

Re: Japanese air to air rockets for zero

Posted By: richard dunn &lt;mailto:rdunn@rhsmith.umd.edu?subject=Re: Japanese air to air rockets for zero&gt;
Date: Wednesday, 13 December 2000, at 6:22 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Japanese air to air rockets for zero (Paul)

Paul
Here are a few more items from the report cited. On the center section are four rotation vanes as well as suspension lugs on the top and bottom. Report gives details on alternative fuzes and primers. Timer could be adjusted.
A standard small model bomb release mechanism is used but it is necessary to modify the tail arming vane before use because it is not adapted to the release mechanism.
Bomb could detonate on contact as well by timing.
Additional (or alternative ) info from a U.S. intel report.
A Zero 21 was captured on Saipan with racks for five of these bombs under each wing. These were said to weigh 32kg (70.5 lb). Length 24.5 in, diameter 5.75 in.
"Of particular interest are the bent tail fins and the additional spiral fines welded to the bomb body itself. Ordnance experts have identifies these as the Navy incediary (shrapnel) type 32 kg bomb intended for air to air bombing. The body fines have been added to the standard bomb, apparently as an after thought, to impart additional rotational effect and thus presumably increase accuracy. It will be noted that nose plugs are fitted and tail fuzes used...This type fuze can be set on the ground, for delayed action from five to twenty seconds and requires a rotation of 1000 rpm before it can function. This means that height of release would have to be at least 500 feet above the bombers but more probably would approximate 1000 feet."
Also according to this report "The bomb is usually painted grey with a two inch silver band around the nose, a one inch silver band on theend of the tail fins, and two red lines diametrically opposite from nose to tail."
This report also says there are 198 pellets (vice 144 in the Japanese report).
Also the illustrations in the Japanese report show the bomb both with and without the nose fuze in place. The photo in the US report shows bombs on the rack without nose fuzes.

Rick Dunn

PBNA-Boosher
08-10-2004, 03:02 PM
I did all the research I could. Here's what I've found so far.

http://www.armybook.com/im/big/k92-03.jpg

http://www.marksindex.com/japaneseaviation/kate_1.html

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/IJAAF_Bomb_diagrams.JPG

http://www.mauitime.com/v04iss13/22-2.jpg

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/IJNAF_Torpedos_diagrams.JPG

http://www.defence.gov.au/news/raafnews/editions/4503/images/14Jap%20Bomb.jpg

CHECK OUT THIS .PDF FILE!
http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/bill_sanborn/phmod21.pdf

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/IJARG/images/zerofield.jpg


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JG53Frankyboy
08-10-2004, 04:04 PM
if you dont have that already, perhaps it can help

http://www.franky.fliegerhospital.de/Raketenbomben.jpg

p1ngu666
08-10-2004, 04:33 PM
sadly, nothing in my zero book http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
it also stank very much indeed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

i might have some other stuff, but i dont think they was a commen loadout

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LBHF15
08-10-2004, 07:51 PM
I have pictures and data of these weapons but do not know how to post (noob). If someone gives me some direction I will post. What resolution and size file should I post?

LBHF15

SkyChimp
08-10-2004, 08:17 PM
Here's some stuff I posted at Butch's site:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I'm looking for the usual stuff : dimensions, content, kind of fuse, etc...

I'm so far especialy interested in the type 3 bomb/rocket, if anyone could provide data/documents on this ordonance it would be greatly appreciated.

TIA.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's some information from Francillion's Japanese Aircraft.... Does any of this help?

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Funryu 1: an experimental air-to-surface anti-shipping radio-controlled missile. Not proceeded with.

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Funryu 2: an experimental gyro-stabilized surface-to-air missile. Once solid-propellant rocket generating 2,400 kg (5,300 lb) of thrust for 3.5 seconds. Warhead: 50kg (110lb). Length 2.2m (7ft, 2 5/8 in); diameter 0.3m (11 13/16 in). Loaded weight 370 kg (816 lbs). Maximum speed 845 km/h (525 mph); effective ceiling 5,000m (16,405 ft).

http://members.cox.net/us.fighters/funryu2.jpg

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Funryu 3: an experimental developement of Funryu 2 with liquid-propellant rocket engine. not proceeded with.

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Funryu 4: a surface-to-air radar-controlled missile intended for quantity production. ground guidance system included two seperate radars for tracking the missile and it target and a computer. Prototype under construction at war's end. Warhead: 200kg (441 lb). Once 1,500 kg (3,307 lb) thrust Toko Ro.2 (KR10) bi-fuel rocket engine. Length 4 m (13 ft, 1 15/32 in); diameter 0.6m (1 ft, 11 5/8 in). loaded weight 1,900 kg (4,189 lb). Maximum speed 1,100 km/h (684 mph); effective ceiling 15,000 m (49,216 ft); range 30 km (19 miles).

http://members.cox.net/us.fighters/funryu4.jpg

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Igo-1-A: designed by Mitsubishi and partially built of wood, this missile was of monoplane configuration and was powered by a rocket engine generating 240 kg (529 lb) of thrust for 75 sec. An 800 kg (1,746 lb) warhead was fitted. Intended to be carried beneath the belly of a Mitsubishi Ki-67 bomber, this radio-controlled weapon was first tested during the autum of 1944 but was too late to be used operationally. Span 3.6m (11 ft, 9 23/32 in); lenght 5.77m (18 ft, 11 5/32 in). loaded weight 1,400 kg (3,086 lb).

http://members.cox.net/us.fighters/igo-a.jpg

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Igo-1-B: of smaller size than the Igo-1-A, this radio-controlled missile was designed by Kawasaki and was powered by a rocket engine generating 150 kg (331 lb) thrust for 80 seconds. Test drops were made in late 1944 using a specially modified Kawasaki Ki-48-II bomber, but the intention was that the Kawasaki Ki-102b assault aircraft would be the operational carrier. even though a total of 180 Igo-1-Bs were built, none was used operationally. Warhead: 300 kg (661 lb). span 2.6m ?(8 ft 6 3/8 in); length 4.09 m (13 ft, 5 in). loaded weight 680 kg (1,499 lb).

http://members.cox.net/us.fighters/igo-b.jpg

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Igo-1-C: Designed by the staff of tokyo imperial University's Aeronautical Research Institute, this missile was intended to home in on the shock waves produced by guns of the target naval vessels. In speite of promising results obtained during a series of tests made in the spring of 1945, the Igo-1-C could not be placed in production before war's end. Length 3.5 m (11 ft, 5 25/32 in); diameter 0.5 m (1 ft, 7 11/16 in).

Regards,
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[This message was edited by SkyChimp on Tue August 10 2004 at 07:36 PM.]

LBHF15
08-10-2004, 08:36 PM
Again...I HAVE PICTURES OF THE ROCKET BOMBS. Do I have to have a URL address for them or can I paste JPG files in here? Any help would be appreciated. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SkyChimp
08-10-2004, 08:39 PM
LBHF,

You have to upload them to the web, then post the url to the picture surrounded by .

If you don't have webspace, you can e-mail them to me at US.Fighters@cox.net and I'll host them for you.

Regards,
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p1ngu666
08-10-2004, 08:41 PM
LBHF15
if u wanted u could email them to me, addy in sig which everyone ignores so pingu666 at menard.gotadsl.co.uk

keep the emails to under 5meg each or i probably wont get them, ill sort out the hosting of pics http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

u haveto have a URL addess and link it

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LBHF15
08-10-2004, 08:45 PM
p1ngu666,
I will try to email them to you. Confirm your address is: pingu666@menard.gotads.co.uk ?

Cheers,
LBHF15

LBHF15
08-10-2004, 08:53 PM
Skychimp...I'll send them to you as well. Thanks for the swift reply!
LBH

Oleg_Maddox
08-11-2004, 06:00 AM
Thanks folks!

Obi_Kwiet
08-11-2004, 07:50 AM
http://navalhistory.flixco.info/H/89728/8330/a0.htm
That maight come in handy. It has speeds and measurements of many US, British, and Japanise torpedoes.

Obi_Kwiet
08-11-2004, 08:04 AM
http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/bill_sanborn/phmod21.pdf

There we go. All the bomb pic you need.

You might ask people at: http://www.j-aircraft.com/ if you need more info.

p1ngu666
08-11-2004, 08:40 AM
http://premium.uploadit.org/pingu666/Type-3-No-1-Mk-28-Bomb-Rocket-Model-1.jpg

http://premium.uploadit.org/pingu666/Type-3-No-6-Mk-27-Bomb-Rocket-Model-1.jpg

http://premium.uploadit.org/pingu666/No-1-Mk-28-Data.jpg

http://premium.uploadit.org/pingu666/No-6-Mk-27-Data.jpg

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Tooz_69GIAP
08-11-2004, 02:00 PM
Whoah!! Very nice!! LBH can you tell us which book that came from???

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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LBHF15
08-11-2004, 04:35 PM
69Giap,
The pictures come from a Bureau of Ordnance Manual (OP 1667) tiled JAPANESE EXPLOSIVE ORDNANCE 14 June 1946. It is a two volume set covering everything from GP bombs and their fuzes to handgrenades. Basically anything Japanese that went boom. Found it searching the Used book section of Amazon or Barnes and Noble. Glad it came in handy.

Oleg,
Hopefully this gives you a bit to work with.

Pingu666,
Thanks for posting the pictures!

C.U.
LBH

LBHF15
08-11-2004, 04:38 PM
Oh,
Sorry for the oversized pics. Didnt want to lose any detail!

LBH

Tooz_69GIAP
08-11-2004, 06:04 PM
Now if we could find some photos with aircraft armed with them......

Does that book of yours say which aircraft they were used on?? Was it just the late model zeros, or were other aircraft fitted with them?

And where were they used?? Were they just a home islands defensive ordinance, or were they used in other areas?

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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LBHF15
08-11-2004, 07:50 PM
69Giap,
Unfortunately, the text I provided is all there is to it. No discussion aircraft or operational data provided. Someone elses book or reference will have to be the key to open that riddle.

LBH

p1ngu666
08-11-2004, 07:54 PM
np LBHF15, glad to be of help http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
anything else u want hosted, just give me a poke
Tooz, maybe its in one of those lil booklet things u got?

i dont wanna open the smelly book again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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LeadSpitter_
08-11-2004, 08:46 PM
do a search on google oleg for "wwii japan aircraft prototype rocket missile"

There is a bunch of images of the Type 3 No.1 28-Go Bomb
Type 3 No.6 27-Go Bomb along with specs.

http://uk.geocities.com/sadakichi09/navy/IJN-Bomb.htm
http://uk.geocities.com/sadakichi09/index.html
http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/kaigun.htm

why put prototype weapons into the game? There is some good information on japanese paratroopers in the dutch east indies also on some of these sites.

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Oleg_Maddox
08-12-2004, 04:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
http://premium.uploadit.org/pingu666/Type-3-No-1-Mk-28-Bomb-Rocket-Model-1.jpg

http://premium.uploadit.org/pingu666/Type-3-No-6-Mk-27-Bomb-Rocket-Model-1.jpg

http://premium.uploadit.org/pingu666/No-1-Mk-28-Data.jpg

http://premium.uploadit.org/pingu666/No-6-Mk-27-Data.jpg

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Good pics! Thanks!

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08-12-2004, 07:17 AM
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LBHF15
08-12-2004, 07:52 AM
Thanks Flatspin, I'll check these sights out.
LBH

p1ngu666
08-12-2004, 01:49 PM
i use uploadit.org and i have my own webspace http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

both are cheap http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

np oleg, but i think u should notice the small print...

youve agreed to make rockets on hurri and spit, and panzerblitz for fw190 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

but on less demanding note, please have a look at this please http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/AEP2/ and give me/community some feedback http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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