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WUAF_GenSwat
05-13-2004, 05:49 PM
http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/x52.htm
man this will be the ultimate FB flight stick around

WUAF_GenSwat
05-13-2004, 05:49 PM
http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/x52.htm
man this will be the ultimate FB flight stick around

VW-IceFire
05-13-2004, 07:19 PM
I suppose you have to buy the two as a pair yes? The stick itself doesn't have a built in axis?

One of these days this lovely Precision Pro 2 is going to die...I hope its not soon but it will eventually. I want to buy a stick that will last (above all else), it don't have to calibrate and fiddle with, that will work, and that has a nice feel.

Does Saitek do that sort of thing? I'm willing to spend some money (maybe $100 or a bit more) when the time comes to ensure that I get something that will last.

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05-14-2004, 12:22 AM
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x__CRASH__x
05-14-2004, 12:31 AM
Looks funky, but at least it has a twist stick for the rudder this time. I wonder how it "feels"

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RAAF_Edin
05-14-2004, 09:03 PM
two words for stupid twist stick:

"RUDDER PEDALS"

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Korolov
05-14-2004, 09:25 PM
Two words for rudder pedals:

"NOT CHEAP"

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05-14-2004, 11:41 PM
Two words

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Maj_Death
05-15-2004, 12:17 AM
I prefer the rocker, it is more accurate. BTW, the X-52 is sold like the X-45 and the older X-36. They come as a set and they cannot be used independantly. They are physically plugged into eachother and trying to use one without the other plugged in does not work. The X-45 system costs $85 US, I expect the X-52 will be more but how much more I don't know.

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LEXX_Luthor
05-15-2004, 01:16 AM
Two words for cheap pedals

FORTY DOLLARS

http://image.ebuyer.com/UK/P0043352_C0000008_P0000000.jpg

And they work okay too

x6BL_Brando
05-15-2004, 04:31 AM
I'm surprised that Saitek don't just market a set of reasonably priced pedals to go with their HOTAS system(s). I hate to think what the combo of a twist grip and that massive centring spring will be like. I guess they must've received a lot of negative feedback about the rocker-switch.

JimRockford
05-15-2004, 06:35 AM
It's annoying when someone's avatar pic wants to set a cookie. Yeah I know it doesn't hurt anything, but it's like those guys that throw fliers and free newspapers in your yard. They don't hurt anything either yet they are annoying.

Joystick looks nifty. Maybe it will be reasonably priced too. I don't like the twist rudder either. They should have added that and left in the other style rocker switch rudder as well. I've never tried pedals. Are they easy to get used too? Are they worth it?

kondor999
05-15-2004, 10:27 AM
I've got an X45, but I'm not fond of their primitive self-centering mechanism. That big spring and a plastic plate are just cheap. Even after waxing the bottom of the plate, it still 'sticks' just a bit upon initial movement (Coefficient of static friction > moving friction I guess) , leading to overcontrol.

I wish they'd adopt a less cumbersome method...

Capt.LoneRanger
05-15-2004, 10:51 AM
A futuristic looking piece of **** stays the same, no matter what it looks like.

Well, a bit drastically. I see many people use the X45 and they are happy with it. I'm not. Centering is lousy, the buttons can be moved like coolies and the rudder is even worse than my 2 keys for full left/right-rudder. What really disapointed me most was the spring and the absolutely non-linear way the resistance changes, when moving the stick. You need a LOT of practice to know where you're pointing the stick at.

The X52 looks more futuristic, yes, but it has the same buttons in almost the exact same places, the same stupid spring and the weird hand-protector, so you don't hurt your fingers on the monitor, pushing the stick forward. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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JimRockford
05-15-2004, 11:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
A futuristic looking piece of **** stays the same, no matter what it looks like.

Well, a bit drastically. I see many people use the X45 and they are happy with it. I'm not. Centering is lousy, the buttons can be moved like coolies and the rudder is even worse than my 2 keys for full left/right-rudder. What really disapointed me most was the spring and the absolutely non-linear way the resistance changes, when moving the stick. You need a LOT of practice to know where you're pointing the stick at.

The X52 looks more futuristic, yes, but it has the same buttons in almost the exact same places, the same stupid spring and the weird hand-protector, so you don't hurt your fingers on the monitor, pushing the stick forward. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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I don't think you are being fair in your X-45 assessment. Yes the center spring thing is a weak point. But it's not that bad. You get a lot of useful features in an X-45 for a relatively low pricetag. WHen you say the buttons can be movie like coolies, that is meaningless. The buttons work fine. There is no way that two keys assigned as rudder is 'better' than the x45 rudder. The rudder slider might be poor in function, but at the very least it could just be maxed left or right which would be equivalent to two keys. With a little practice and a good setup it is possible to use the rudder switch on an X-45 with a degree of sensitivity. Like I said though, at it's worst it would function equal to two keys, not worse.
The non-linear problem you speak about could probably be solved with a bit of profile tweaking.

x6BL_Brando
05-15-2004, 12:44 PM
@ Jim R

I found that pedals took a bit of getting used to, but they have added enormously to the 'feel' of simulated flight and my enjoyment of IL2. A major landmark for me, as good as TrackIR, and I couldn't go back to a twisty stick. I use CHPro USB kit, very reliable, and I have brakes on one pedal and flap control on the other - assigned through the HOTAS section in FB controls.

Taking off becomes a very enjoyable experience for example.......Bringing the revs up, foot firmly on the brake, and then letting the plane surge up the runway keeping it straight with small foot movements.....a quick dab on the flaps to get that extra lift at rotation speed....gear up....set pitch.....ah the beauty of a full Hotas system with pedals ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
05-15-2004, 03:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Two words for cheap pedals

FORTY DOLLARS

http://image.ebuyer.com/UK/P0043352_C0000008_P0000000.jpg

And they work okay too<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LEXX-I've got that wheel & pedal setup. So you hookup the wheel/pedal combo into the gameport and it's recognized and works with a USB stick (X-45)?
I'm "old school", running Win98SE. Any problems there?

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LEXX_Luthor
05-15-2004, 03:46 PM
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JimRockford:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It's annoying when someone's avatar pic wants to set a cookie.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This was after my post, if lexx.com is giving you all problems, I shall remove the problem Tubbie or find another place to keep it. Do tell if that's me and thanks for saying.

Beebop_54 I dunno, I have WinXP Homely. My Logitech Wheel and Saitek joystick are plugged into two different USB plugs.

The racing pedals could be more widely spaced but otherwise they feel great--kinda a sissy feeling with feet close together butt....Yes, you get used to pedals surprisingly quickly--my first try my ground strafings were lined up perfect and stayed lined up (never could do that before). I assume flying in airplanes rudder pedals are a natural....mmm... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

TooCooL34
05-15-2004, 04:02 PM
Wow, brand new Tape Recorder from Saitek? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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JimRockford
05-17-2004, 08:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
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_JimRockford::_ <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It's annoying when someone's avatar pic wants to set a cookie.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This was after my post, if lexx.com is giving you all problems, I shall remove the problem Tubbie or find another place to keep it. Do tell if that's me and thanks for saying.

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Actually it was the "templeofthegodess" cookie from X_Crash_X that was irritating. Someone browsing my cookies would assume the worst.

John_Stag
05-17-2004, 09:26 AM
http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds/main/howto/rudtoe.htm

about 15.00

Fehler
05-17-2004, 09:40 AM
I have had my X45 setup for over 2 years now, and I love it. I was immediately annoyed by the centering cup and "'57 Chevrolet truck spring," but it got smoother over time.

The rocker switch is placed oddly, like you have to have weird alien hands to work it while keeping a comfortable grip on the throttle. I decided to buy a cheap pair of analog CH pro pedals ($50.00) and wire in the pot signal to replace the original rocker. I cant say I invented this idea, I read about it on Sim HQ. The article even came with pictures for the "Solderingly challenged" individual.

What I like about the new product is the digital readout on the throttle! No more blue "80% throttle" text with this baby!

I may upgrade if the X45 ever wears out, which is unlikely in the near future since I dont "Ham-fist" the joystick.

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WoofBoy
05-18-2004, 09:58 AM
Sent a note to Saitek.

The X-52 is planned to ship in October, for $130.

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Spinnetti
05-18-2004, 10:55 AM
Me likey....

I have the X45 and like it. Could be improved for on center slop and throttle feel, but overall the best out there.

Will upgrade at some point no doubt.

BlitzPig_DDT
05-18-2004, 11:00 AM
Anyone who doesn't have rudder pedals is not only lazy, but also evil because you are providing a market for this queer twisty-stick rap.

Lazy? Yeah. - http://search.ebay.com/rudder-pedals_W0QQsokeywordredirectZ1QQfromZR8QQhtZ1

CH pedals starting from $5.

Personally, I wouldn't touch CH pedals with a 10' pole, because I'm quite particular about spacing, movement, etc, none of which I like on the CH. Having said that however, it's a damn sight better than suffering with a gay twisty.

But what really kills me is, put a little effort and a few bucks into it, and you can have a good set of pedals on the cheap. All you need is some imagination, some rudimentary design skill, and a cheapy joystick to sacrifice for an axis. Hell, there are even multitudes of web sites with step by step instructions for doing so.

If I didn't have my TM RCS, and couldn't find one for sale, that is exactly what I would do. Almost did too before I found what I was looking for.


Regarding the X52.....if it wasn't a twisty, it might be worth a good $50. But $130 is outrageous for a cheap plastic toy. I might have to revisit the possiblity of getting an X45 if the price gets resonable now. I need a cheap HOTAS for space games like Babylon 5 : I've Found Her, Star Lancer, The Wing Commander series, etc. 'bout all those plastic things are good for anyway really. And I certainly won't waste my kitty on such games. Be sure. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif lol

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Franzen
05-18-2004, 11:14 AM
I bought the X45 cause others had good results. I haven't. I'm used to the twist stick so the X45 posed a problem. My biggest complaint is the size of the handles. Too small. On the throttle my fingers are crushed together, can't use the rudder. The stick is so small that I can't use the triggers unless I want to fire repeatedly.
My solution was to use the throttle and the 3D Gold together. It works great, no complaints. The X45 stick looks better behind the monitor, where I can't see it.
Just my experience.

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