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ajafoofoo
04-30-2004, 09:09 AM
Anyone know because I find having the bomb rack always on the A9 silly.

ajafoofoo
04-30-2004, 09:09 AM
Anyone know because I find having the bomb rack always on the A9 silly.

crazyivan1970
04-30-2004, 10:04 AM
A6 has it optional, just like A4 and A5...

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JG53Frankyboy
04-30-2004, 10:19 AM
a Fw190A6/U17 would be plane that was never existend http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

the Fw190A5/U17 became the Fw190F3. than there was nothing till the F8.

so, just to copy the loadouds from the A5 to the A6 is a bad idea.
better would be copy the A8 loadouts to the A6 - sure without Mk108 and MK103.
perhaps add the SC250, AB250 and AB500 - also to the A8 and A9 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

crazyivan1970
04-30-2004, 10:24 AM
Franky, i didn`t say loadouts were copied
All i said that bomb rack is optional.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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FiNaZZi
04-30-2004, 10:32 AM
And what about removable outer MG151/20's? I'm looking forward to those http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

crazyivan1970
04-30-2004, 10:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FiNaZZi:
And what about removable outer MG151/20's? I'm looking forward to those http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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kubanloewe
04-30-2004, 10:34 AM
what about optional displacement of the 2 outer wing 20mm MG151 or FF in the A5 and A6 ? !!

many Pilots use this for pure airsuperiority missions and without Bombrack to improve the close combatability of the 190 .

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JG53Frankyboy
04-30-2004, 10:35 AM
the question is:
would there be a petter performance WITHOUT outer cannons http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

imagine http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ZG77_Nagual
04-30-2004, 10:46 AM
Now we're gettin radical http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

CHDT
04-30-2004, 12:00 PM
"would there be a petter performance WITHOUT outer cannons"


An A-8 without outter guns could clim as well as a D9. It seems incredible but it is documented. The doc exists and has probably been passed to the "highest authorities" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Pimpo
04-30-2004, 12:15 PM
yea probably but there is a slightly difference between real world and oleg world performance http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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ajafoofoo
04-30-2004, 12:17 PM
Sigh, I guess this means if you delete outter cannons you get penalized with a bomb rack.

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04-30-2004, 12:37 PM
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BBB_Hyperion
04-30-2004, 01:27 PM
The Real question "Is the Bombrack that is shown with outer guns removed included in the Topspeed calcualtion" no it doesnt effect topspeed.Except it looks bad on A5 i doubt they will change it on A6.

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Hunde_3.JG51
04-30-2004, 01:44 PM
If I am taking your comments right crazyivan it seems that you are saying that we may now have the option to remove the outter-wing cannons and not get ETC-501 put on? Does this apply to just A-6 or A-4 & A-5 as well? This would certainly result in a performance increase and is something that we 190 guys have wanted for a long time. This would be great news, especially for the A-4. Can you confirm this or am I just tired and taking your comments wrong?

As for the effects of bomb-rack in FB it has a detrimental effect on A-4 and A-5 if added.

Thanks for any info you can give.

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JG7_Rall
04-30-2004, 02:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
The Real question "Is the Bombrack that is shown with outer guns removed included in the Topspeed calcualtion" no it doesnt effect topspeed.Except it looks bad on A5 i doubt they will change it on A6.

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Hyperion<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The issue is weight here. The bombrack has a given weight and thus will create a higher wingload for the airplane. Weight usually doesn't effect top speed too much, only acceleration.

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faustnik
04-30-2004, 03:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
The Real question "Is the Bombrack that is shown with outer guns removed included in the Topspeed calcualtion" no it doesnt effect topspeed.Except it looks bad on A5 i doubt they will change it on A6.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The ETC rack drag is figured in performance. Test it yourself, it is obvious.

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BBB_Hyperion
04-30-2004, 06:43 PM
Restested it and found a 15 km/h difference that is the excat the Value for a Bombrack. Cant believe they put this in. Remember somewhere in old days was posted by Oleg Bombrack doesnt effect Topspeed on A8 etc and concluded would be the same on FW without Wingguns. Well in this case its complete nonsense to fly with only Internal Guns. Topspeed , Firepower reduced and when the weight is also included lower acceleration.

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faustnik
04-30-2004, 09:59 PM
Yeah, it's hard to understand why the option was even included, it is pointless.

To be honest however, I have seen very few pictures of A8s or A9s without the ETC rack. There are however, many good examples of A4/A5s without outer guns and without the rack. Oleg's opinion is that there will not be much advantage with this option and it would not be worth the time invested to make the changes. We have to respect his opinion and move on.

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ajafoofoo
04-30-2004, 10:54 PM
I'd say 15kmh is worth the effort.

Gryphonne
05-01-2004, 09:22 AM
This has been requested since the beginning of Il2 and Oleg never bothered to remove the ETC with the removed-outer-wing-cannons-option. Why should this time be any different? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Be happy Oleg included the A6 already, took a few years.

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Skalgrim
05-02-2004, 06:02 AM
funny, why have they remove mg ff , when it give not advantage

when they get the similar firepower like dora,

they would never remove the mg ff, when they not get advantage

remove mg ff make bit better,

turntime, rollrate , accelerate, zoomclimb and speed

in parts only slightly advantage,

but all together clearly advantage



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[This message was edited by Skalgrim on Wed May 05 2004 at 01:26 AM.]

CaptainGelo
05-02-2004, 06:07 AM
what about option for removing all cannons, just imageing how fast it'll climb....

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Bremspropeller
05-02-2004, 08:11 AM
Well it's not a question why we can't remove them (since the outboard wings were not installed when coming from the factory - they were an undesignated "Rüstsatz" and any pilot could decide on his own whether he wanted his outboard guns to be installed or not), rather why they are added all time.

There shuld really be an option to remove/ add them.

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LeadSpitter_
05-03-2004, 12:42 AM
same with the hurricanes its silly to have the bomb hardpoints and no ordinance

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