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faustnik
01-07-2004, 12:31 PM
Just looking at the list of new flyables for the Western Allies makes me nervous!

P-51B/C - even faster and more stable than the P-51D.

P-38 - really fast and hell on our ground troops.

Spitfire MkV - A great dogfighter with those nasty Hispanos.

B-25 - smaller than the B-17 but, still awesome defensive armament!

Combine these with the P47-D-10, and the evil B-17, and our Fw190A5s and Bf109G6s are in trouble!!!

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faustnik
01-07-2004, 12:31 PM
Just looking at the list of new flyables for the Western Allies makes me nervous!

P-51B/C - even faster and more stable than the P-51D.

P-38 - really fast and hell on our ground troops.

Spitfire MkV - A great dogfighter with those nasty Hispanos.

B-25 - smaller than the B-17 but, still awesome defensive armament!

Combine these with the P47-D-10, and the evil B-17, and our Fw190A5s and Bf109G6s are in trouble!!!

Can't wait! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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necrobaron
01-07-2004, 12:36 PM
Good point. I hadn't thought of that. Should be an exciting fight for either side!http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

robban75
01-07-2004, 12:51 PM
The Fw 190A-5 could still put up a fight. The P-51B will be a tough nut to crack, but we've had to fight against Yak's and La's for so long now. The P-51 would be like a walk in the park compared to those I'm afraid.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Copperhead310th
01-07-2004, 12:57 PM
lol Dont count your chickens before they hatch Robban http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Korolov
01-07-2004, 12:58 PM
Problem is, here you have a plane that can dive and outrun you at the same time...!

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robban75
01-07-2004, 01:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
lol Dont count your chickens before they hatch Robban http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hope you're right Copperhead. Although the P-51B/C can outfly and outdive the Fw 190A-5, the russian fighters will still be the nastiest of adversaries.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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faustnik
01-07-2004, 01:12 PM
Oh, I forgot, we get the Bf110G, you Allies are toast! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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VW-IceFire
01-07-2004, 01:14 PM
Should be a fairly tough fight but I think you'll see the Western Front battles much more evenly matched than on the Eastern Front. USAAF, RAF, Luftwaffe planes tend to try and exploit similar advantages...but the P-51B will be a tough one for the Luftwaffe. Don't forget that its firepower is only 4 .50 cal instead of 6 .50 cal so that will have some impact on its total performance.

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JG26Red
01-07-2004, 01:18 PM
Blah blah blah, 190A5 will work just fine... i aint scered...

faustnik
01-07-2004, 01:21 PM
IceFire,

I agree that the a/c are well matched but, the situation makes it tough for the LW on the Western front. You must climb all out to reach the B-17s at altitude. When you find them, they pepper you with .50 defensive fire. After your first pass, a horde of P-51s, P47s or P-38s drops in on you!

It's a great challenge! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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TX-Zen
01-07-2004, 01:29 PM
I'd have to agree with Robban...after living under the terror of the LA5fn and the various Yak models in 43, I think the P51 will be sight for sore eyes. Sure the Mustang is dangerous, but it's not as agile as the VVS planes either.

And the A5 does not outclimb the 43 VVS fighters either, so you never could depend on that anyway.


Tactics tactics tactics. Victory will still tilt toward those who have better pre battle organization, just as it does now.

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SeaFireLIV
01-07-2004, 01:30 PM
It`s funny hearing the LuftWaffe flyers talk...

I`ll bet that there are parrallels to how the real LW felt towards 43` and `44 of the time...

A sign of how great this sim is...

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horseback
01-07-2004, 01:50 PM
At 6000+m & high speed, the razorback Mustang should enjoy all the same advantages enjoyed by the low-alt uberplanes flown by the VVS over the 109 & 190, with a better dive and longer firing time. If the Lightnings are lurking around 6000m and below, life could really suck for the LW.

BTW, will the 110G include Schrage Muzik(pls excuse spelling)? That could be a hoot on night missions.

Cheers

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JG26Red
01-07-2004, 02:09 PM
Its the pilots... not the plane... the pilot makes the plane... p38 and 51B can be great, but with a dumb pilot will be easy prey for veteran LW pilots... us LW pilots have dealt with this with the Yak 3 and LA7, these planes wont phase us much, at least not me...

S77th-brooks
01-07-2004, 02:23 PM
the G6 still needs work but the G2 still a geat plane in 1943,1945 looks good with the TA 152H coming into play http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LW_lcarp
01-07-2004, 02:30 PM
Be nice to run some Western front servers for a change. Think the 109 and the 190 will hold there own there as there wont be any Uber planes about

LW_lcarp
01-07-2004, 02:30 PM
Be nice to run some Western front servers for a change. Think the 109 and the 190 will hold there own there as there wont be any Uber planes about

LW_lcarp
01-07-2004, 02:30 PM
Be nice to run some Western front servers for a change. Think the 109 and the 190 will hold there own there as there wont be any Uber planes about

Kahvikuppi
01-07-2004, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
"Combine these with the P47-D-10, and the evil B-17, and our Fw190A5s and Bf109G6s are in trouble!!!"
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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LEXX_Luthor
01-07-2004, 02:36 PM
HAHA yes just let the LW escape to low altitude...

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Or let them try to escape to the East....

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LeadSpitter_
01-07-2004, 02:37 PM
dont forget the ta152 700kmph on cruise http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Still I cant wait for some more planeset missions and dogfights in greatergreen

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LEXX_Luthor
01-07-2004, 02:40 PM
Ta~152, Yes for the 45 servers.

Maybe the Fb109Z will be a Surprise for everybody though. Sweep the the Capitalist and Communist invaders from the skies.

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TX-Zen
01-07-2004, 02:41 PM
1943 might indeed be rough for the Luftwaffe, but 1945 is probably going to be their golden year with the TA152.

I would love to tangle with the Spit XIV and the La9 in it, I have tremendous respect for both and would like to see them included.


All in all I don't think 43 will be that bad for the Luftwaffe, they have the G2, G6, G6/AS...tried and true planes with a considerable number of online experten flying them, I still don't think things will be any different than they are now really.

Be a better variety of planes which will be nice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Bremspropeller
01-07-2004, 02:44 PM
The 51B/C just appeared in December'43, so it's !virtually! no '43 plane.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Besides: why don't we get the A-6 ? This would be a nice add-on plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Nice for the allies - a new challenge and of course nice for the LW drivers - an A-5 with greater firepower.



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blabla0001
01-07-2004, 02:47 PM
I am going to stay away from the all year all planes servers because it will be most likely that everybody is flying around in super planes that hardly saw any combat, or worse, see more of them in one server then there where build during the war.

TX-Zen
01-07-2004, 02:50 PM
That is my only real concern about the TA152 is that there won't be anything else flying on servers where it is enabled http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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blabla0001
01-07-2004, 02:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TX-Zen:
That is my only real concern about the TA152 is that there won't be anything else flying on servers where it is enabled http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mine too, together with the P-80.
If it's blue planes vs red planes then you will most likely see only Ta152's on one side and P-80's on the other because there is not one prop plane on the red side that can keep up with the Ta152 and in order not to get your @$$ waxed all the time because you can't do anything about it you either take a P-80 or go somewhere else.

Bremspropeller
01-07-2004, 02:56 PM
I doubt the Ta will be the ├┼ôBER plane of FB cause it's advantages were the higher alts which aren't that well modelled in game. Ever noticed the alt. Gauge stops moving at 10,000m ?

In the lower alts the Dora and the K-4 will be THE LW planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



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US_8th_Dosiere
01-07-2004, 02:58 PM
It really just comes down to tactics and teamwork. The Lufwaffe planes are more dangerous when in groups as their firepower allows them to BnZ much more effectively than most Allied aircraft. A planes' performance certainly counts for something, but it's really more about who is in the drivers seat.

Future-
01-07-2004, 03:16 PM
Hear hear, Dosiere is right, and so is Copperhead.

Bottom line is, until we get to fly those new planes, we certainly don't and won't know for sure which plane will be "better" and which plane will be "not-so-good".
So please, once again, calm yourselves, and stop the wild guesses.

S!

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robban75
01-07-2004, 03:16 PM
Is there anybody on this forum that has flown the soon to come Ta 152? It would be nice to know how it will handle.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Future-
01-07-2004, 03:21 PM
Even if you will catch one of the beta testers to post here... it won't help anyone.
As we saw it with the 1.21 patch and the P-51 D that came with it, I'm pretty sure the Ta-152 as it is now is definitely to be finetuned and changed until the release of the add-on.
I think not even the beta testers can give you a good guess on it's to-be-expected performance.

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TX-Zen
01-07-2004, 03:26 PM
Excellent question Robban!


I can't help but think that the TA152 will be everything the Dora is and more though...look at it's published stats. It's the last evolution of the FW series and I can't imagine that it will be worse than the D9...just doesn't make sense.

You are going to have a plane that has better firepower, better speed and supposedly better turn radius down low. I would think the roll rate will be somewhat less than the D9 because of the large wings, but even that will probably help most people fly it better because of the frequent complaints that the D9 is too twitchy.

I don't expect it to be an uber bird like we used to see...laser beam cannons, magical lack of E loss in tight manuever....none of that nonsense. What I do expect to see is a faster and better climbing version of the D9 with better guns.

That is what I consider honest uber, just as I would consider the LA9 to be in the same category...the last and final perfection of an excellent family of aircraft.

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JG26Red
01-07-2004, 03:37 PM
152 should be a tad bit better in everything down low than the D9 except roll, it will be faster, turn better etc etc.. and thats the H series, high alt one, if we had the C it would be even better, especially the 4 20mm and 1 30mm opposed to the 2 20mm and 1 30mm of the h

F19_Olli72
01-07-2004, 03:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
Bottom line is, until we get to fly those new planes, we certainly don't and won't know for sure which plane will be "better" and which plane will be "not-so-good".
So please, once again, calm yourselves, and stop the wild guesses.

S!

- Future

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I totally agree, wasnt there as high expectations on the P51D? Well turns out it wasnt an ├╝berplane after all, a good plane in the right hands...but then again so are most planes in FB. Better to calm down and wait 'til the addon is out and see. What i do know is underestimating your enemy is a bad thing, and thats when the "Oleg, the (insert planemodel here) is undermodelled" posts begin http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

jazman777
01-07-2004, 05:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
Is there anybody on this forum that has flown the soon to come Ta 152? It would be nice to know how it will handle.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't ask Tx-Zen, the guy is in a Ta152-induced Stupor.

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TX-Zen
01-07-2004, 08:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jazman777:

Don't ask Tx-Zen, the guy is in a Ta152-induced Stupor.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol

thaddup you haf no ida how long ive wated for thhhhs plane

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jazman777
01-07-2004, 09:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TX-Zen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jazman777:

Don't ask Tx-Zen, the guy is in a Ta152-induced Stupor.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol

thaddup you haf no ida how long ive wated for thhhhs plane

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
"TX-Zen and the Ta152: A Love Affair" is worth a thread in itself, maybe an FB Movie. You were born 79 years too late, and a continent away.

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WUAF_Badsight
01-07-2004, 09:19 PM
oleg himself stated that even 46 planes are ok by him to be in FB

the LA-9 flew in 45 & was in service in 46

some have said that even 47 planes are ok .... false , only the year 1946 was mentioned by oleg in posts at il2center & ORR & simHQ

WUAF_Badsight
01-07-2004, 09:26 PM
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oh .... & BTW ..... if some people are expecting the TA-152 to only be good up high , or if some people are expecting the TA-152 to be bad down low .....

.... they are in for a BIG surprise .....

kyrule2
01-07-2004, 10:32 PM
TX-Zen, 109G-6/AS is in '44 planeset, it would be a monster in '43.

And I asked this question a long time ago and did not recieve an answer. Should the P-51B/C be a '43 plane? Personally, I don't think it should as it wasn't until very late in '43 that it even began operations AFAIK. Either way its no big deal, just curious what others think.

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Hristo_
01-07-2004, 11:50 PM
Rough might not be the right word, but challenging.

It is my experience from full realism servers that speed and guns are by far the most important assets, when you compare planes.

However, pilot ability is by far more important, and this concerns teamwork, precombat planning, tactics, situational awareness, patience and discipline. Something that is never linked to your plane of choice. So, while you might fly a bit m,ore cerelessly in a P51 in 1943, it is still no guarantee of success. Far from it.

A.K.Davis
01-08-2004, 01:01 AM
Both P-51B and P-38J are late-43 aircraft. Their principal LW opposition should be Bf-109G-6 and Fw-190A-6, but we'll never see the latter in FB.

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MiloMorai
01-08-2004, 01:15 AM
The first P-51B/C (Mustang III) arrived at Boxted 11 Nov '43(354thFG, 9th AF). The 354th flew its first mission 1 Dec '43 on a familiarization mission over Belgium and northern France.

FW190fan
01-08-2004, 01:57 AM
Yes, a FW190A-6 would be nice for 1943. I believe it was primarily A-6s that slaughtered the Schweinfurt/Regensburg raiders.

I don't see 1943 being all that rough for the LW, but hopefully it will at least be challenging. As someone has said before, we've been fighting Las and Yaks for a few years now so...do you really think any of the fighters listed will be better dogfighters?

People can fly whatever a/c they want in whatever year they want in FB. I tend to stick with contemporary fighters and in 1943 those fighters were hardly dominant against the LW. The Lightning was certainly not a big hit in Europe in 1943, the P-51B for all practical purposes didn't exist in Europe in 1943, and the Spit V was treated quite roughly by it's radial engined nemisis the FW190. Britain couldn't produce the Spit IX fast enough.

All in all, I'd say 1943 looks like business as usual for the LW - even though there is no FW190A-6 in the 1943 LW inventory like there was historically.

I'd really like to see the A-6, more Spit variants added and more and bigger western front maps.

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Gryphonne
01-08-2004, 02:30 AM
What exactly is the advantage of the A6 over the A5?

Hristo_
01-08-2004, 02:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gryphonne:
What exactly is the advantage of the A6 over the A5?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Performance and wingloading (read maneuverability) of Fw 190A-5, with 4 MG151/20 cannons. Cowl armament are still MG 17s (changed to MG 131s in Fw 190A-7).

Never been modeled in any sim that I know of.

SpinSpinSugar
01-08-2004, 03:09 AM
So we're not getting a Spit IX then this time around? The 190 outclassed the V/Vb when it first appeared over Europe in 41, the IX was the response, tangling with those two birds would be a lot of fun. Just as duelling 109Es with Spit Is and Vs will be. I have little or no interest in the late war stuff, I must confess. Which is why I think I'll be taking a year off work when BoB comes out.

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JG77_Tintin
01-08-2004, 03:32 AM
It should be a challenge for both sides. I'm curious to see if the historic gun jamming problem of the P51 B's are modeled. Also will be looking to see how many P38 Lightning drivers will be flying in servers with all icons off. A great aircraft, but has a distinctive profile, that should make hunting it, that much easier. They also had cockpit heating problems, but no way to include this in the game. Spitfire V had problems against the 190's in late 41 onwards. Will we be getting the clipped winged version for low altitudes?

blabla0001
01-08-2004, 04:02 AM
Spitfire V will come with round wing and clipped wing as far as I heard.

FuryFighter
01-08-2004, 05:02 AM
hehe just give me my 110G-2 with Mk 108's + the Mg 151 pod and I'll wipe the skies clean hehehe.... or at least the bombers hehehe

Hey yeah... someone mentioned we can get 1946 aircraft..... hehe I have a few that should be added lol... they are all viewable over at www.luft46.com (http://www.luft46.com) and include -
the Sanger Amerika Bomber (http://www.luft46.com/misc/sanger.html)

Fw 500 Disk plane (http://www.luft46.com/dsart/ds500.html)

or.. more seriously -
Me 264 heavy bomber (http://www.luft46.com/prototyp/me264.html)

hehehe drool time......

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Fehler
01-08-2004, 05:14 AM
Like Zen, I am very interested in the Ta-152. What a fun plane it should be to fly. I already cant get enough of the Dora...

But, I must admit, I am more looking forward to flying the 110. Believe it or not, this plane had a major role in the opening days of Barbarossa, and why it has taken so long to materialize in IL2 is way beyond my comprehension. It should be a fun ground attack plane (No IL2 for sure) but a lot of fun nevertheless.

As for 45/46 planes. The 162 looks like it would be fast, numble, and fun. The 163 will be a blast (Seriously) slashing into B17 formations from 30000 ft.

In all, the add-on is going to be so much fun, I may take a month off from work to play! (And it's release date is very close to my birthday.. what a nice present from Oleg!)

I still love my Dora though... I wont abandon her.

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EDtheHead6445
01-08-2004, 06:32 AM
I still can't wait for the P80. I've been looking forward to it for a very long time, and it looks like we're finally going to get it. At last high speed dogfights against Me262s will be possible. Ahh the Ta152- should make all dogfights a lot more interesting than they already are. Say bye bye to anyone in a P51, Spitfire or P47! Don't worry, the LW will still have plenty of capability even after the addon is released!

Ankanor
01-08-2004, 08:11 AM
if it is modelled correctly, 1943 will not be that rough for LW. It is those who will pilot the Heavy bombers on missions to Germany who will experience Hell. Imagine for instance: The escort breaks off due to fuel limitations some 500 kms away from the target, Flak all the way, heavy fighters attacking constantly, your buddies dying one after another... Real fun, huh?

But, as we all know, It wont be modelled. 1943 will appear on the servers Mustangful riding on 25% fuel, while Lw boys will have to develop new tactics and better teamplay in order to stay alive. I'm just saying...

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p1ngu666
01-08-2004, 08:26 AM
well, most of us loiter on dogfight servers, what u expect?:P http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
would be nice to have the a6
miles m52 would be nice for 46 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

robban75
01-08-2004, 10:02 AM
Fehler, that's an excellent looking D-9 skin, who made it, were can I get it? Or is it perhaps a personal skin?

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Eagle_361st
01-08-2004, 10:14 AM
Oh boy I can't wait for me beloved P-51B/C. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Especially the Malcom Hood "C", then if you want to go yank and bank then you have the Spt Mk VB.

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faustnik
01-08-2004, 10:39 AM
I am really looking forward to fighting the Spitfire! The natural prey of my Wulf. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Intercepting '42 and '43 "rodeos" should be great. I hope the Hurri's get some bombs.

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horseback
01-08-2004, 03:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG77_Tintin:
It should be a challenge for both sides. I'm curious to see if the historic gun jamming problem of the P51 B's are modeled. Also will be looking to see how many P38 Lightning drivers will be flying in servers with all icons off. A great aircraft, but has a distinctive profile, that should make hunting it, that much easier. They also had cockpit heating problems, but no way to include this in the game. Spitfire V had problems against the 190's in late 41 onwards. Will we be getting the clipped winged version for low altitudes?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seems unlikely that they'll model the 'stang's jamming problems when they don't model the yellowing cellophane (yes, cellophane) canopies of '41 VVS birds. As for the heater problem of the early P-38s, I plan to spill an iced drink in my lap every so often during missions. It's bound to add to the immersion (of something).

Cheers

horseback

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EPP-Gibbs
01-08-2004, 07:06 PM
If it's 1943, then it's not the Spit Vb that was at the forefront of the RAF's fighter fleet, but the Spit XI. That aircraft was a match for the contemporary FW190, and better than the 109G's of the same era.

Then along comes the SPit XII and XIV....ouch!

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SkyChimp
01-08-2004, 08:01 PM
Does anyone kinow how the P-51B and P-51C will be modelled?

Both were produced with the V-1650-3 and the V-1650-7 engine. The -3 engine gives better high altitude performance.

And both were produced with and without fuselage fuel tanks.

I suggested to Oleg that he make the P-51B have the V-1650-3 without fuselage tank. And the P-51C with V-1650-3 and with fuselage tank. This would give us the greatest diversity of Mustangs,.

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NUkua__
01-08-2004, 08:20 PM
I just want to see how that Mistel is going to work. I guessing Oleg is going make the Ju-88 on the bottom attach to the 190 like a bomb so you can release it ?

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DONB3397
01-08-2004, 08:29 PM
Does anyone know anything about the (7) campaigns mentioned in the pre-release data? Will there be a map of southern England so long-range bomber missions can be modelled?

Seems to me that the cross-channel interdiction missions and sweeps leading up to D-Day will need a wider, deeper field of play. It could let us recreate some of the long range bomber missions as well.

It's gonna be a long month waiting.

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