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Bamatt
07-22-2004, 12:24 PM
I was on a server last night that had this matchup. I was on the blue side with a friend of mine, and we were flying the Emils. Two on the other side were coming at us with Spits. Now, I consider myself a pretty damn good pilot, but this was rediculous, we were completley owned. It was like I was in a Pinto and was tryin to get away from a Porsche. I left the server after the third splash.

Bamatt
07-22-2004, 12:24 PM
I was on a server last night that had this matchup. I was on the blue side with a friend of mine, and we were flying the Emils. Two on the other side were coming at us with Spits. Now, I consider myself a pretty damn good pilot, but this was rediculous, we were completley owned. It was like I was in a Pinto and was tryin to get away from a Porsche. I left the server after the third splash.

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07-24-2004, 03:29 PM
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carguy_
07-24-2004, 03:38 PM
Are you venting?

Fighting spits ends bad for most of LW pilots.Those average like me can only do something when bigger in numbers.

Most of the time I survive if I can limp back to base.

Very irritating and humiliating.

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jensenpark
07-24-2004, 03:39 PM
The Spits are bloody good aren't they?

I fly mostly 109's and pretty much exclusively Blue side, but this a.m. I was on warclouds and for a change Red was outnumbered so I flew a Spit (the lX mind you) and boy did I have a field day. Even outnumbered 2 or 3 to one and it was easy to elude, track and kill - even for a cr*p pilot like me.

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Korolov
07-24-2004, 03:39 PM
The '41 Spit is faster, more manuverable and better armed than any of the Emils. A better matchup would have been a F-2 or F-4 vs Spit Vb.

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steiner562
07-24-2004, 03:43 PM
Can you post a track bamatt?,spits can be dangerous,I usally just throttle down and dive if i get in trouble, they usually wont try and follow you, personally as a 109 piloT I PREFER TO ENGANGE p-51s more so than the spit,lol at this stage i think its more a psych thing than the actual aircraft,plus that radiator that never overheats and an uber top speed helps those limeys also http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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NegativeGee
07-24-2004, 03:46 PM
What Korolov said.

A Spitfire I or II would make a suitable contempory opponent against FB's Emils. In the mean time, how about a Hurricane II? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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PBNA-Boosher
07-24-2004, 03:54 PM
BnZ your heart out. Dive whenever possible. Only attack when you have the advantage, otherwise veer away. The 41 Spit is superior in many aspects to the 109E. You're better off not taking chances in it. Only attack when you know you'll win.

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Atomic_Marten
07-24-2004, 04:47 PM
lol. U really do not stand any real chance in Bf109E series vs. M.K.Vb. They are really superior even when flown by an average skilled pilot.

VOL_Hans
07-24-2004, 04:56 PM
Well...Welcome to the world of the Uber Spits...

I've found out that instead of throwing Spitfire's and 109E's together in BoB missions, the use of Hurricane Mk-I's for the Hawker, and Hurricane Mk-IIB's to fill the spot of the Spit Mk-I is close enough.

And also, I would like to take this time to ask for Oleg to give us a Spit Mk-Va. The same as the Vb that we have, but 8x .303 instead of 4x.303 + 2x 20mm.

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F19_Ob
07-24-2004, 05:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bamatt:
I was on a server last night that had this matchup. I was on the blue side with a friend of mine, and we were flying the Emils. Two on the other side were coming at us with Spits. Now, I consider myself a pretty damn good pilot, but this was rediculous, we were completley owned. It was like I was in a Pinto and was tryin to get away from a Porsche. I left the server after the third splash.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'm also quite good on the 109 and a good turner in it.
I have recently flown the spits ( a month only ), and they do turn well in high and medium speeds, but I seem to outturn most spits in the 109 in slow speeds and in scissoring, and I mean slow. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
the spit is very flippy in slow speeds and personally I cant keep it up against a 109.
A thing that works well in both planes when chased is to pull as hard as possible so U enter a braking spiral so the enemy overshoots. but so far the spit seems harder to pull out of it.
I have noticed that a spit that throttles down in a slowspeed scissor is a gonner against the 109, since the 109 wont flip as easily, and this is my experience flying the spit also. I have escaped 109's when flying the spit, but it was sheer luck only.
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I belive these planes are closely matched.
There is also the psychological factor that makes an enemy plane seem "√ľber".
If U see the enemy on the other end of your circle U either see him gaining or losing on U. Its different for every situation. The enemy has the same dilemma.
The best thing is to stay cool....I vote for the spit to flip first anyway. I flip all over the sky in it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

p1ngu666
07-24-2004, 08:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VOL_Hans:
Well...Welcome to the world of the Uber Spits...

I've found out that instead of throwing Spitfire's and 109E's together in BoB missions, the use of Hurricane Mk-I's for the Hawker, and Hurricane Mk-IIB's to fill the spot of the Spit Mk-I is close enough.

And also, I would like to take this time to ask for Oleg to give us a Spit Mk-Va. The same as the Vb that we have, but 8x .303 instead of 4x.303 + 2x 20mm.

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yeah i want a VA too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif. just chop the cannons off and thats it iirec

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mortoma
07-24-2004, 10:19 PM
Yeah but a Spit V is better and more advanced than the Spits they flew in BoB!! Plus the agility of the Emil is slightly undermodelled in FB too. They feel like underpowered slugs to me.

HART_dreyer
07-24-2004, 11:29 PM
Why do people always state a certain aircraft is undermodeled when they don't even know what they're doing?

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WUAF_Badsight
07-24-2004, 11:38 PM
i like the Emil , its just about my favourite plane in FB

it can fight with SpitV's

but all the performance edge is with the SpitV

you have to fly the wings off the Emil just to stay alive

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Farkitt_
07-25-2004, 01:26 AM
ANd if you don't fly the wings off it, the spit will shoot em off.

You need Mk I's or II's for the Emil, Fly Friedrichs against the V's.

And since I'm guessing no one here has flown in or against a Spitfire or 109 in RL then I think you are not in a Position to Say it's under or overmodeled.


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Dawg-of-death
07-25-2004, 01:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
And since I'm guessing no one here has flown in or against a Spitfire or 109 in RL then I think you are not in a Position to Say it's under or overmodeled.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/sonar.gif
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F19_Ob
07-25-2004, 03:53 AM
Most dont like to get shot down( like me) and forget that the opponent may be an expert with years of training on his ac. Such an opponent would be hard in any plane. It looks good to give the opponent some credit once in a while.

Try the opponents ac for some time and see. I do...and seehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

WUAF_Badsight
07-25-2004, 03:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Farkitt_:
ANd if you don't fly the wings off it, the spit will shoot em off.
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ehehehe . . . . . . ive won SpitV / Emil fights

as for knowing if a plane is over or undermoddeled . . . . .

we do have statistics recorded that can give us guidelines for testing

they dont & cant cover all of a planes flight pattern , but are a damm good way of getting the basics right

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269GA-Maxmars
07-25-2004, 04:38 AM
Emils 7NZ can hold their own against Spit vb!

WUAF_Badsight
07-25-2004, 04:48 AM
not really maxmars

its a survival flight from the beginnning

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CPS_Lav69
07-25-2004, 05:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by steiner562:
Can you post a track bamatt?,spits can be dangerous,I usally just throttle down and dive if i get in trouble, they usually wont try and follow you, personally as a 109 piloT I PREFER TO ENGANGE p-51s more so than the spit,lol at this stage i think its more a psych thing than the actual aircraft,plus that radiator that never overheats and an uber top speed helps those limeys also http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uber top speed?...gimme a break.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
07-25-2004, 06:34 AM
yeah on GG they have a map with Emils F4's vs Spits P40 yaks and LaGG's

and i dont take an emil vs a spit i rather take the F4 wich is faster and has more ammo and you can keep E longer,i dont have problems vs a spit in a F4 im more afraid for P40's as they can loop and turn forever even with 10 20mm hits and now with those nasty fifties they chop you inhalf with a good burst
but ofcource it depends on the pilot but on equal terms even the F4 gets owned by P40 and spits

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Atomic_Marten
07-25-2004, 07:01 AM
RK_HH-Sunburst u hit the bottom of da problem. It is basically like this: if u fly an Bf109 vs Spit and manage to shot it down; all right. But u'll shot him down even easier if u fly Spit. On equal pilot skill without any advantage on either side Spit will win in most cases.

So conclusion is that lot of things is up to pilot skill, rather than A/C, but we can't do miracles, can we? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

Cheers

WUAF_Badsight
07-25-2004, 09:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:

but we can't do miracles, can we? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

Cheers<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the people that survive fighting SpitV's with a Emil do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Magister__Ludi
07-25-2004, 02:37 PM
E4 was very well matched with SpitV '41 (9lb/sqin) . Turn rate and radius, roll were roughly the same, E4 was faster at lower alts, slower at higher alts (because it had a smaller supercharger) and climbed and accelerated better (and so it dived and zoom climbed better) than SpitV '41. The armament was similar (cannon equipped Spit).

I still have hopes for a more accurate FM with BoB. Right now Emil is one of the most poorly modelled aircrafts.

Xiolablu3
07-25-2004, 05:36 PM
I remember a captured German pilot quote I read somewhere.

He said in disgust (in a derogratory way) to the English pilot who shot him down.

"You know why the Spitfire is such a good plane? Because ANYBODY can fly a Spitfire"

VOL_Hans
07-25-2004, 06:47 PM
Hehe, see, thats it right there! The Spit IS Uber Noob! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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Montgomery Python
07-25-2004, 09:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I remember a captured German pilot quote I read somewhere.

He said in disgust (in a derogratory way) to the English pilot who shot him down.

"You know why the Spitfire is such a good plane? Because ANYBODY can fly a Spitfire"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bah, Luftwhiner ;P

WTE_Galway
07-26-2004, 01:48 AM
the Emil is a pre-war design

the Spitfire mkV is mid-war

as stated above the Spitfire mkI is the proper match .. but note the Spitfire mkI was MUCH more manouverable than the mkV .. there are stories of pilots barrel rolling Spitfire mk1's on take off before reaching the far threshold of the runway .. attempting that would kill you in a Spit V or an Emil

Snuff_Pidgeon
07-26-2004, 02:00 AM
Same old same old brrrrrrrp!!

WOLFMondo
07-26-2004, 03:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I remember a captured German pilot quote I read somewhere.

He said in disgust (in a derogratory way) to the English pilot who shot him down.

"You know why the Spitfire is such a good plane? Because ANYBODY can fly a Spitfire"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So that makes it a bad plane? Bah! No, It means that design team made an excellent aircraft thats easy to fly.

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Magister__Ludi
07-26-2004, 06:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
the Emil is a pre-war design

the Spitfire mkV is mid-war

as stated above the Spitfire mkI is the proper match .. but note the Spitfire mkI was MUCH more manouverable than the mkV .. there are stories of pilots barrel rolling Spitfire mk1's on take off before reaching the far threshold of the runway .. attempting that would kill you in a Spit V or an Emil<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


E4 entered service in 1940, SpitV in 1941. They were evenly matched:

"Turn rate and radius, roll were roughly the same, E4 was faster at lower alts, slower at higher alts (because it had a smaller supercharger) and climbed and accelerated better (and so it dived and zoom climbed better) than SpitV '41. The armament was similar (cannon equipped Spit)."


The only thing better on Spit I compared with Spit V was the lower stall speed (which translates in better turn radius), but it was less performant in anything else (except turn rate which was equal).

horseback
07-26-2004, 08:27 AM
The thing to remember is that the Spit V was mainly a Mk I/II with an uprated engine (for better hi-alt performance; the fight was always moving higher in the West), 2x20mm cannon replacing 4 of the original 8x.303 MGs, and metal ailerons, to prevent the 'ballooning' experienced with fabric covered ailerons at higher speeds.

All changes were in response to lessons learned in the BoB: get higher, get faster, and hit harder. It should be better than the Emil in most regimes, because all the changes made from the Mk I/II were in response to the Emil's strengths demonstrated in 1940's air battles.

A well-flown Emil is still competitive, inasmuch as any well-flown aircraft of a similar era can be, but if the pilots are of similar capabilities, the Spitfire driver has to make critical mistakes to lose in a head to head fight, where neither adversary holds an initial advantage.

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NorrisMcWhirter
07-26-2004, 10:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by maxmars:
Emils 7NZ can hold their own against Spit vb!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

^ This is true. I've shot down a couple of Spits in an E7/Z (opportunity to do that doesn't come along very often) although if you get one on your 6, you are in real trouble.

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IKG26Redcoat
07-26-2004, 11:23 AM
I dont understand what everyone is talking about here. First off, flights of opposing fighters rarely met each other level and head to head (although I know on occassion this did happen so dont flame me before Ive started). Usually one flight would have the height over the other and thats what counted. That simple. Top flight gets good position on the lower, comes down, blazes through the nme formation, splits the formation, pick off the stragglers and then leaves. These guys didnt get no points for losing. They died horrible deaths, so the battles in the sim are all unrealistic to historical.
The Spit Vs were bought out to counter the newer 109 Fredrich series, and held advantage untill the FW190 came out when the British bought out the mark 9. There were relativley few encounters between Spitfire V against 109 emils, because as the 109s were being shot down, damaged, lack of spares, couldnt be arsed, whatever , they were being replaced with the newer fredrichs. So there werent too many set piece battles between the two. If one side sensed a disadvatage, they'd save their aircraft and not engage. 109fs against the mark five sounds about fair and historical. Anything else is just luftwaffe fodder for the arcaders.
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mortoma
07-26-2004, 12:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HART_dreyer:
Why do people always state a certain aircraft is undermodeled when they don't even know what they're doing?

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"Above us, there is nothing above but the stars... above us."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>How do you know I don't know what I'm doing?? Maybe if we met online I would embarass you?? Who says you know what you're doing?? You?? Besides, I never said it's a fact the Emil is undermodelled. It's only undermodeleed as far as I'm concerned. I may be wrong. But I never saw any good data that suggests the Emil was a much worse turner than the F models. According to everything I've read, it shoud be slower but it should turn as good as an F at it's best turning speed. I happen think the old, pre-FB FM for the Emil was better. In Il2, it really had a hard turn, still not as good as an I-16 but a lot better than it is now after FB came out. I happen to feel it was more accurate in those days. It's sluggish now, like a fat cow. Can I prove it? No!! But never said I could. I do have a right to my own opinion and if you disagree, say so in a more polite manner. Fact is the old FM for the Emil was either more accurate or it's wasn't. Maybe they had it right before, who knows??

NegativeGee
07-26-2004, 12:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mortoma:

You non-americans can be so harsh and disrespectful.
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Was this really necessary?

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mortoma
07-26-2004, 12:48 PM
Was it really necessary for him to suggest I don't know what I'm doing? When he doesn't ( couldn't ) really know if I don't know what I'm doing or not?? How could the dude know??? Maybe he doesn't know a much as he thinks HE does?? So he should shut up then. I have a right to my opinion here as much as he does or anybody else for that matter.

mortoma
07-26-2004, 01:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Farkitt_:
ANd if you don't fly the wings off it, the spit will shoot em off.

You need Mk I's or II's for the Emil, Fly Friedrichs against the V's.

And since I'm guessing no one here has flown in or against a Spitfire or 109 in RL then I think you are not in a Position to Say it's under or overmodeled.


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http://www.owensvalleyhistory.com/pinups1/elvgren8_thmb.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, since you haven't flown them either, you're hardly in a position to conclude the Emil or any other plane in the sim is modelled correctly!!! If I can't know a plane is modelled incorrectly, you can't know it's modelled correctly then. Now can you?? Oh, we forgot to think about that, now didn't we?? Judging by the way you come off, you seem to be suggest the Emil is correct.

bazzaah2
07-26-2004, 01:41 PM
so just to move the discussion along, does the 190A4 own the Vb as it did?

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IKG26Redcoat
07-27-2004, 10:59 AM
It doesnt come down to that on the lobby. Most pilots barrel in start blazing away the second they see an nme airxcraft. Not many have the patience to get good height and position first. Caught low and slow the 190 is dead meat. Caught low (and unaware), the spit can twist and turn to its hearts content, it will go down. No aircraft owns anything here really. It is totaly down to pilot skill and tactical awareness.

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Bamatt
07-27-2004, 11:46 AM
I never had a chance to BnZ them. The Emil was the only 109 available. Had I been in an F2, F4 or G2, it would have been much different.

alarmer
07-27-2004, 02:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bazzaah2:
so just to move the discussion along, does the 190A4 own the Vb as it did?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since AEP engine cannot model proper zoom and dive I would have to answer "No".

And its plain wrong http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

It would also be futile to point out that some special squads can be very effective in FW190. But then again, in this game you can be highly effective in any plane no matter how bad it is.

So lets just put it like this. If two equally skilled pilots meet in Spit & FW190 the axis pilot doesnt win the fight using historical advantages it had.

Xiolablu3
08-16-2004, 06:35 PM
The Germans new how to use the 190 to its great strengths. It has its disadvantages as most planes do, but the Germans utilised its advantages so well.

That is why it 'owned' so much in its early days. Allied pilots hadnt worked out tactics to beat it and were shocked by its fast speed and powerful armament.

VW-IceFire
08-16-2004, 06:48 PM
Why is the Bf 109E, a 1940 plane, being matched against the Spitfire Mark V which was a 1941 plane? The RAF considered the Mark V to be superior in every way to the Bf 109E and early 109F's although the F's posed a much more considerable challenge.

The FW190A-3 changed their minds that the Mark V was adequate. Some elements of that superiority of the early FW190 over the Spitfire Vb at that time aren't present in the current game so its a harder fight but I consider the A-4 to be superior to the Mark V. Tactics are important however and many neglect the finer points.

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Treetop64
08-16-2004, 06:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Magister__Ludi:
I still have hopes for a more accurate FM with BoB. Right now Emil is one of the most poorly modelled aircrafts.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No offense, but how do you know that? Have you ever flown a real one?

PBNA-Boosher
08-16-2004, 07:42 PM
I disagree, the 109 Emil is very well modeled, in fact, all of the 109's are pretty well modeled.

Boosher
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WTE_Galway
08-16-2004, 08:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Treetop64:

No offense, but how do you know that? Have you ever flown a real one?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What on earth has that to do with anything ??? If he had actually flown a real one I suppose you would then say it didnt count unless he flew it in combat in WWII ???

In my opiniuon it is official unbiased testing that matters not some politically modified impression written by a pilot. Among other things ... anecdotes from actual pilots during the war are more often than not pure propaganda.

I can give you WWII documentation from Australians saying that japanese infantrymen are all short sighted and hopeless shots but would you take that seriously ??

By the way I personally see nothing wrong with the Emil and i have rarely seen any complaints on here or in ORR about the modelling of it either. It's my favourite 109.

WUAF_Badsight
08-16-2004, 11:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
I disagree, the 109 Emil is very well modeled, in fact, all of the 109's are pretty well modeled.

Boosher
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oh jeez . . .

your so wrong its not funny

& Treetop64 . . . . . .

we can test FB A/C against the data we have for them that was recorded back in the fourties

but what you cant get exactly right . . . what you have to "guesstimate" is

accelleration times . . .

& Speed keeping abilitys of different Airframe & motor combinations

time for engine termination too is a "guesstimate" in FB IMO

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