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triggerhappyfin
08-10-2004, 04:34 PM

triggerhappyfin
08-10-2004, 04:34 PM

BOPrey
08-10-2004, 04:43 PM
I will keep PF since it has all of IL2 and FB in it.

BaldieJr
08-10-2004, 04:44 PM
Who cares?

If BoB releases next year (I seriuosly doubt it), noone will be playing it.

Think about all the CFS2 people that are going to finaly come to this franchise after PF. Do you think these people are going to upgrade again?

Heck no.

And do you think anyone is going to leave PF when its jam-packed full of recently converted CFS addicts?

Heck no.

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lbhskier37
08-10-2004, 04:55 PM
Should Valve keep working on Halflife after Halflife 2 comes out? FB is great as it is, what makes you guys think that if you stops getting updates for it you will be losing something? It will still be there and you can pop in the disk whenever you want, a new game coming out wont take that away. Oh yeah, you can bet that BoB would have plenty of players if it came out tomorrow. About half my squad is looking forward to BoB and could care less about PF(I however am really excited about PF). All ICs resources should go into BoB once PF and the flyable bombers are out, all the sooner to get more planes in BoB.

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_VR_ScorpionWorm
08-10-2004, 04:57 PM
BaldieJr has a point, while BoB is a game everybody is anxiously waiting for and wanting, it will be a while before it is in FULL swing. BoB will need new hardware to see in all its glory or even play at a medium level that most players will stick with FB/AEP/PF for a long time till they can upgrade, which is very costly depending on what your upgrading.

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Speco
08-10-2004, 05:02 PM
I dont want anybody dead http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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triggerhappyfin
08-10-2004, 05:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lbhskier37:
Should Valve keep working on Halflife after Halflife 2 comes out? FB is great as it is, what makes you guys think that if you stops getting updates for it you will be losing something? It will still be there and you can pop in the disk whenever you want, a new game coming out wont take that away. Oh yeah, you can bet that BoB would have plenty of players if it came out tomorrow. About half my squad is looking forward to BoB and could care less about PF(I however am really excited about PF). All ICs resources should go into BoB once PF and the flyable bombers are out, all the sooner to get more planes in BoB.

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I both agree and disagree with you!

I´m not against BoB - I most sertainly will buy it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

But it is the future of IL-2FB/AEP/PF that worries me. When we all will be able to play this amazing game in full perfect online with no or minimal lagging, the danger will be- it´s abandoned by it´s maker.

The closed code of this game makes it very playable online but endageres it´s future life span.

No money - no effort to any more development!!

With this closed code the simulator community would not have a chance to take over and keep it running. No development - no future!!

It´s a far too good product to leave behind you too soon.
Most of the games released, no matter what kind of game, today and near future will not be comparable to this game and the possibilyties it carries with in it.

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tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
08-10-2004, 05:55 PM
All this speculation is pointless. Why dont we just sit back and wait and see what happens? Fact is all we have right now is more than enough to be going on with.

What is with this upgrade or die culture?!? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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-HH- Beebop
08-10-2004, 07:05 PM
First, IL-2/FB/AEP/PF is an excellent WWII flight sim. I came to the original IL-2 after a long stint with European Air War and a short go at CFS2. Even though CFS2 had better graphics, EAW was much more satisfying and as a result stayed on my hard drive until I got totally hooked on IL-2. (I think that would have been the third or fourth time I tried the orginal demo mission).

The point is that despite BoB, many of us, me included, will probably continue to play IL-2. Not only does it have depth of play and realism, it covers an aspect of WWII that has not been covered and likely won't be by anyone else.

(Now if Oleg could find a way to translate IL2/FB/AEP/PF to the BoB engine..........)

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LEXX_Luthor
08-10-2004, 07:53 PM
With France/Poland BoB addons, BoB is the Sim to Beat.

I will continue to buy FB addons, until Oleg returns to Easter Front in about 7 years. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif


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carguy_
08-10-2004, 08:41 PM
I vote no although BoB may be a chance to see LW planes modelled with respect unlike it is now.

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JG7_Rall
08-10-2004, 08:53 PM
As much as I b*tch about the FW 190, I really do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif Oleg and will buy anything he puts out in the flight sim department.

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609IAP_Recon
08-10-2004, 10:02 PM
if BoB rocks, AEP/PF will be like my version of IL2...launched occasionally for rememberance sake only.

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Bearcat99
08-10-2004, 10:34 PM
We probably wont see BoB till 06 anyway.... Ill be flying FB till then.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2004, 12:05 AM
Yeah, what JG7_Rall said.

We whinge and b*tch and carry on...but man, we hold a candle to you.

Fennec_P
08-11-2004, 12:16 AM
From the dev updates and proposed features for BoB, I will forget IL2/FB/AEP/PF exists the moment I possess it.

Until then, I'm playing a new game called "Ogle the Spitfire Cockpit Pics".

Besides the new planes and other content, development of IL2 essentially stopped after the FB CEM. PF may have more features, but maybe not enough to distinguish it as a seperate title.

All this about adding the *insert plane name here* to the game gets old...

LuftLuver
08-11-2004, 01:00 AM
Would be dumb to toss FB/PF aside. Will be tough to get me into BoB and leave hundreds of excellent flyables behind.

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Freefalldart
08-11-2004, 01:54 AM
I don't want FB & PF to die after BoB release. Simply because I'm not going to buy BoB.
I can't afford buying a new system or upgrading it every time a "new and state-of-the-art on its genre game" (like Doom III) hits the shelves.
So I expect people not to drop FB series.

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LEXX_Luthor
08-11-2004, 02:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I can't afford buying a new system or upgrading it every time a "new and state-of-the-art on its genre game" (like Doom III) hits the shelves.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Who cares about DOOM~3 ?

Only upgrade for flight sims, which get seriously upgraded once in maybe 4 years. And do like me upgrade to a year old standard and its fairly Cheap.


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Cajun76
08-11-2004, 02:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BOPrey:
I will keep PF since it has all of IL2 and FB in it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Er, I believe if you buy PF only, you will have PF only. However, PF will be compatible with IL2 FB:ACE, and will basically upgrade it to IL2/FB/ACE/PF. Patches and updates will be compatible with both. I don't think any other developer has ever gone to such lengths for their customers and product. Thank you Oleg and crew.! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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Extreme_One
08-11-2004, 03:02 AM
As others have said we won't be playing BoB until sometime in 2006 (if we're lucky http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) so by that time FB will be three years old and the actual engine 5 years old.

How many games do you still play 3 years after their release?

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Monson74
08-11-2004, 03:05 AM
They will stop making updates/patches for it some day but this doesn't mean it's the end. Perhaps we will all be excited about something new at that time anyway. Maybe there will be mods like we've seen with other games - maybe not. But as long as people play it - it will be alive. I'm keeping Jagged Alliance 2 (1998!) alive for example.

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Freefalldart
08-11-2004, 03:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I can't afford buying a new system or upgrading it every time a "new and state-of-the-art on its genre game" (like Doom III) hits the shelves.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Who cares about DOOM~3 ?

Only upgrade for flight sims, which get seriously upgraded once in maybe 4 years. And do like me upgrade to a year old standard and its fairly Cheap.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Doom III was just an example, if I must choose a first person shooter, I choose Doom II, which run at 15000fps in my Ti4200 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

What is a cheap upgrade for you?. What I know is that good Flight simulators are probably the most demanding applications you can run on a PC. A good graphics card isn't the only hardware you need to run them smoothly as it happens with FPS. A good CPU is necessary to do all the physics calculations.
A good 3D card plus a new CPU (and probably more RAM) is not what I understand as a "cheap upgrade".

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Zentaurus
08-11-2004, 03:15 AM
First of all: We will have a lot more time to play FB until BoB comes out and i already feel sometimes getting slightly bored by FB, the lack of dynamic weather, lack of state of the art graphics (although ist still quite nice), lack of anything deserving the term "engine management" and other things seem to become more important to me then they used to be, i remember that i thought IL2 was a sim when i bought it, right now with FB i feel i play a complex and good arcade game resembling a sim...

So i hope for a real Sim and will focus on that when it comes out...

The only aspect which might make me go on playing FB when BoB comes out is the fact that FB then will be a pretty complete coverage of WW2 combat flying including all major theatres and the important planes...something which will take another few years for BoB....

Right now i do the last few upgrads of my hardware to finally enjoy FB in perfect mode and decently play PF but then i will let the system grow old untill BoB comes out...
( i hope an Athlon XP Barton @2500 Mhz= somethink like XP3800, FSB 200, i gig Ram and a GF 6800 GT will do it....if not i will get a complete freak out, curse 1:C and buy Doom3...)

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Freycinet
08-11-2004, 03:29 AM
I see the ****ging of Il-2/FB/AEP/(PF?) has already begun, so I guess a lot of people will not continue playing it.

I for one think I will love the opportunity to go flying off carriers from time to time, or do a stint in the Me-163, or an on-line bombing raid with the Tb-3, etc., etc.

There is one big unknown out there though: maybe after playing BoB just once, Il-2/FB/AEP/PF will look completely dated and uninteresting. Timme will tell.

I'm sure that the older sim will keep a following of US/Japanese players and the rest of us who love the Pacific scenario, though.

vanelvis
08-11-2004, 03:31 AM
If they keep makeing them(new add ons and games) I will keep buying them. That is if the quality is stilll good.
If you think about it most of us that play the Il2 series have spent quite a bit of money on computers, video cards, Track IR, Flight sticks, Rudder pedles, Ect. I have spent Over $2500.00 at least. I dont see what the problem is spending $30-$50 on the next evolution of the game as long as the quality gets better.
Any way thats my 2 cents.

triggerhappyfin
08-11-2004, 04:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by vanelvis:
If they keep makeing them(new add ons and games) I will keep buying them. That is if the quality is stilll good.
If you think about it most of us that play the Il2 series have spent quite a bit of money on computers, video cards, Track IR, Flight sticks, Rudder pedles, Ect. I have spent Over $2500.00 at least. I dont see what the problem is spending $30-$50 on the next evolution of the game as long as the quality gets better.
Any way thats my 2 cents.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah thats an aspect of the question!!

Money spent on addons to FB prolly never exeed the money spent on hardware to enjoy the game it self http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.

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And later, as the Russians were armed with 20mm cannons, it was unwise to meet them heads-on

triggerhappyfin
08-11-2004, 04:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freycinet:
I see the ****ging of Il-2/FB/AEP/(PF?) has already begun, so I guess a lot of people will not continue playing it.

I for one think I will love the opportunity to go flying off carriers from time to time, or do a stint in the Me-163, or an on-line bombing raid with the Tb-3, etc., etc.


There is one big unknown out there though: maybe after playing BoB just once, Il-2/FB/AEP/PF will look completely dated and uninteresting. Timme will tell.

I'm sure that the older sim will keep a following of US/Japanese players and the rest of us who love the Pacific scenario, though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Disagree with you on this!

I see alot of new names online, the dedicated servers developing gameplay, F-16 server beeing one of the best.

Warclouds server with its deathkick on, something not heard of before in the game.

No sir! I grately disagree with you.

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Heads-on firing was not a safe practice after all ?
Jussi Huotari: It was not specially recommended.....
And later, as the Russians were armed with 20mm cannons, it was unwise to meet them heads-on

TonyEH
08-11-2004, 05:49 AM
BoB might be out in 06, but nobody is going to be able to play it properly until 08 or even later, when the hardware catches up.

Most people can only get FB running satisfactorily now, years after the original release.

BoB will run like a piece of **** on the machines of 2006 and the battle of Britain will be reduced to 6 Heinkels escorted by 4 BF109's, intercepted by 3 Hurricanes, over a terrain thats been reduced in detail to a flat mess at 25 FPS in 1024x768.

So there will still be plenty of people playing FB for years to come.

I only hope that FB will be made more open for the community to mod it.

Tony

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08-11-2004, 05:55 AM
If it has a FW190, Ill play http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

triggerhappyfin
08-11-2004, 07:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TonyEH:
BoB might be out in 06, but nobody is going to be able to play it properly until 08 or even later, when the hardware catches up.

Most people can only get FB running satisfactorily now, years after the original release.

BoB will run like a piece of **** on the machines of 2006 and the battle of Britain will be reduced to 6 Heinkels escorted by 4 BF109's, intercepted by 3 Hurricanes, over a terrain thats been reduced in detail to a flat mess at 25 FPS in 1024x768.

So there will still be plenty of people playing FB for years to come.

I only hope that FB will be made more open for the community to mod it.

Tony<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes, my point of view exactly - one great piece of game.
It has to be maintained and supported in some years to come, cryin out loud CFS2 has its audience still willing to pay for support!!!

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Heads-on firing was not a safe practice after all ?
Jussi Huotari: It was not specially recommended.....
And later, as the Russians were armed with 20mm cannons, it was unwise to meet them heads-on

nearmiss
08-11-2004, 07:54 AM
The life of all the old sims,i.e., MSFT CFS2, Jane's WW2Fighters & Jane's F/A-18 has been with the offline users. A good mission builder keeps those old sims going.

IL2-FB series lacks a good mission builder, so I'd say the series won't be much after BOB is introduced. The Online users are quick to jump onto current stuff so they'll "fly the coop".

1C:Maddox won't lose much in the way of aircraft, because the flight modeling is pretty well done now. THe graphics modeling will take time, but hey! that's what all the updates are anyway.

So 1C:Maddox has the roadmap in place for the BOB, follow the same pattern as IL2-FB series it works. Bob can be a cash cow for a couple years as IL2-FB has been, with graphics add-ons (provided free in other sims), a few new maps and tweaks to correct the things that need fixin'.

Graphics in BOB should be a tremendous improvement, not necessarily from 1C:Maddox efforts. We'll owe most of improvement in the BOB to advancing Hardware technolgy, which allows progressively more pixels, sprites,and polygons,etc.

If that stupid crew of egoist at MSFT would just improve the CFS2 right now they'd have a better sim for "offline play" than IL2-FB series. CFS2 is a great playing offline sim, but the AI are very poorly programmed. The AI are so lousy it makes the whole sim a dud. The CFS2 flight and damage models of aircraft are as good as IL2-FB, which are created by third parties. The maps with outstanding terrain cover the entire world. THe weather is configurable along with an outstanding mission builder. Sure you don't have all the cameras and tricked out moving ground objects, but it still plays very well. The graphics environment is definitely behind times, but that could be changed as well with advancing technology.

If MSFT released the source code for CFS2 I think we'd have a third party group that would turn CFS2 into a project of some renown post haste. MSFT has never released code,http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif so that is just pie in the sky thinking.

You might be thinking well 1C:Maddox could improve the IL2-FB series with an excellent mission builder, interactive weather, etc. You'd be right, but that's not going to happen. THe mentality at 1C:Maddox is so deeply entrenched into their own channel of thinking it just won't happen.

Online players have a most outstanding sim for their enjoyment with the IL2-FB series, and offliners have a pretty good physics engine and AI programming to make the sim viable for decent offline play. The real beauty and play for offline will probably never be addressed and implemented with only the static campaigns and missions that can be created. Oh, I don't want to forget that the weather can only be set one way for the entirety of a mission in IL2-FB. That will be absolute stupid in PF, because it is a huge theatre of operations. The way it rains and weather changes is constant and unpredictable in the Pacific, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif we will have tailhooks on our planes.

So, offline players will still be pleased enough to buy the PF $40US, but the Online players are gonna be the exuberant and lovin' it. Folding wings, carrier ops, new maps, new aircraft the Online players will have a "field day".

The people that build the missions and campaigns know how under utilized the IL2-FB series is, because they're into the guts of the sim trying to do things with it that enhance play thru, or apply a more realistic frame for missions.

So much happened in real life after a mission started that was unpredictable. In IL2-FB the mission is set in stone "statically" from the start to the end of each mission.

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LEBillfish
08-11-2004, 08:05 AM
Personally, I'd like to see 1C upgrade the engine on IL2/FB/PF to the BoB standard even if it entails "buying" a new version of it.

Granted, if it was "as it stands now" with just the new engine I would not....I'd expect those planes which are not in BoB such as PE2/3 and the like to be added in as flyable....The last condition being that I could run all 3 together.

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Extreme_One
08-11-2004, 08:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nearmiss:
.... THe mentality at 1C:Maddox is so deeply entrenched into their own channel of thinking it just won't happen.

...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whilst I do agree with much that you've said I do wonder what makes you say this. Surely it's the publisher (UBI) holding the purse strings so 1C can't do everything that they/we would like. I just think it's unfair to levy all the critiscm on 1C

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MPortus_
08-11-2004, 08:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
All this speculation is pointless. Why dont we just sit back and wait and see what happens?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All this speculation is fun and one of the reasons why forums exist.

nearmiss
08-11-2004, 09:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nearmiss:
.... THe mentality at 1C:Maddox is so deeply entrenched into their own channel of thinking it just won't happen.

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Whilst I do agree with much that you've said I do wonder what makes you say this. Surely it's the publisher (UBI) holding the purse strings so 1C can't do everything that they/we would like. I just think it's unfair to levy all the critiscm on 1C

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Download the USAAF & RAF campaign folders http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-10.html.

Download "North and South" including the Japanese speech-pack http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-12.html. _*NEW*_

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At this point I think 1C:Maddox is calling more of the shots than before. The IL2-FB series is successful, which is the principal ingredient or license for getting to do more of what you want to do with your creation.

I think alot more is now within the power of 1C:Maddox to "build it like they wants it".

It's a basic rule of business http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif if you've got someone making you money, back off and let'em run.

Extreme

Whenever I put up a long-winded posting someone is sure to take issue with something or find some holes in the verbiage.

I should have made my point in fewer words. Just got to going I guess.

I appreciate your not blasting me into the "nether world".

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LEXX_Luthor
08-11-2004, 09:27 AM
FB can't grow "old" cos there is nothing being made by anybody to make FB "old" until after BoB. Oleg has already run 4FSC out of the market.

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Capt._Tenneal
08-11-2004, 09:29 AM
I won't be dropping FB/AEP once BOB is out. I only have a passing interest in the Battle of Britain. Too limiting : RAF defends, Luftwaffe attacks lather-rinse-repeat . I will most likely pass it by until Oleg gets back to the Eastern Front, the strategic bombing campaign 1943-45, the Pacific and beyond with the new game engine .

nearmiss
08-11-2004, 09:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
FB can't grow "old" cos there is nothing being made by anybody to make FB "old" until after BoB. Oleg has already run 4FSC out of the market.
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Lexx

I'm thinking BOB will make FB "old", and it is my understanding (where I got it I don't know) that BOB will have major improvements provided for Mission Builders.

Capt_Tenneal

Bob won't be out for a year maybe more. If you enjoy combat flight simulations you'll do the same thing we all do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif buy it

1C:Maddox is the best there is at this time.

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Capt._Tenneal
08-11-2004, 09:49 AM
You may be right. I will buy BOB if nothing more than to show my gratitude for what 1C:Maddox has done for us these past several years, but I still see FB getting more "stick time".

Unless.... BOB gets away from the strict Battle of Britain scenario. Give us some variety like Poland 1939, Norway 1940, Finland vs. USSR 1940, Spanish Civil War, etc. Then it gets interesting !

Extreme_One
08-11-2004, 10:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nearmiss:
...I appreciate your not blasting me into the "nether world"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not my style mate and anyway we are talking about opinions and you are as entitled to yours as I am mine. Anyway you may be right so I'd look a right http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif if I criticised you too strongly. )

S! Simon
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Download the USAAF & RAF campaign folders here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-10.html).

Download "North and South" including the Japanese speech-pack here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-12.html). *NEW*

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TheGozr
08-11-2004, 10:31 AM
IF BOB is that good why not dump il2?

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triggerhappyfin
08-11-2004, 01:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nearmiss:
At this point I think 1C:Maddox is calling more of the shots than before. The IL2-FB series is successful, which is the principal ingredient or license for getting to do more of what you want to do with your creation.

I think alot more is now within the power of 1C:Maddox to "build it like they wants it".

It's a basic rule of business http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif if you've got someone making you money, back off and let'em run.

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Why not help out to show were money´s at??

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