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FbusterMk3
01-23-2004, 06:06 AM
Just tried out the Hurri IIb for the first time since 1.21 patch, even though I kept the throttle below 100% and the radiators open in position 4 the engine was overheating after about 5 minutes!
This is ridiculous. First we had the Hurricane that never overheated, then we had the reduced power hurricane which stood on the runway when you opened the throttle fully and did nothing for 4 seconds before agonisingly overcoming its apparently massive inertia,( look at old footage of Hurricanes scramble and see how nimbly they accelerate) now we have the slow low powered hurricane which overheats almost immediately.This does not bode well for BoB.
Can the FM's be this erratic from one patch to the next, this flight sim has lost all credibility for me, so whats the reason? ineptitude, or a big fat russian lie.
At least we won't be disappointed by that well known donkey the Spitfire.

FbusterMk3
01-23-2004, 06:06 AM
Just tried out the Hurri IIb for the first time since 1.21 patch, even though I kept the throttle below 100% and the radiators open in position 4 the engine was overheating after about 5 minutes!
This is ridiculous. First we had the Hurricane that never overheated, then we had the reduced power hurricane which stood on the runway when you opened the throttle fully and did nothing for 4 seconds before agonisingly overcoming its apparently massive inertia,( look at old footage of Hurricanes scramble and see how nimbly they accelerate) now we have the slow low powered hurricane which overheats almost immediately.This does not bode well for BoB.
Can the FM's be this erratic from one patch to the next, this flight sim has lost all credibility for me, so whats the reason? ineptitude, or a big fat russian lie.
At least we won't be disappointed by that well known donkey the Spitfire.

SeaFireLIV
01-23-2004, 06:29 AM
Hey, take it easy, m8.

Do you mean the 1.22 version of the Hurri?
I`ve been flying the Hurri continuously with 1.21 and I do not see these problems. I`ve not tried the Hurri in 1.22, but there should be no changes.

Calm down, check over things, then report back.
And you`ll more get a response from Oleg if you don`t insult him.

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SpinSpinSugar
01-23-2004, 06:42 AM
Flying the RAF campaign in the Hurri Mk1 and can't say I've noticed a difference since installing the new patch. It does overheat, but it's not excessive - a lot of the RAF missions involve protracted climbs and are perfectly manageable. Remember your prop pitch and supercharger settings too.

Cheers, SSS

XyZspineZyX
01-23-2004, 06:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>SeaFireLIV...
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Is it historically accurate that the Hurricane had only 100 bullets? It sure seems that way when you go up against a dozen He-111's in a BoB type of mission. I have enough bullets to (usually) just give the 111 a smoking engine, sometimes get it to lose a wing, then, in the middle of a pack of German Jedi gunners, I'm "Out of Ammo".
It is amazing that England survied the Battle of Britian using primarily the Hurricane.



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VW-IceFire
01-23-2004, 06:55 AM
FB doesn't have the DM capabilities to give a full account of what could happen when a plane was struck with enough .303's...so they are a little on the "weak" side probably.

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FbusterMk3
01-23-2004, 07:06 AM
There must be some kind of bug with the heating on the Hurri. After allowing the engine to cool after overheating I have just climbed on full power for 10 minutes with radiators closed and no overheating???? Very odd!

SpinSpinSugar
01-23-2004, 07:12 AM
You can bring down a couple of Heinkels with the Hurri Mk 1, but unlike with heavier weapons it's generally more through killing the crew than breaking the airframe. I'd imagine that's kinda historically accurate, too. There's a lot of bullets on the fly from those eight guns.

Cheers,

SSS

blabla0001
01-23-2004, 07:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FbusterMk3:
There must be some kind of bug with the heating on the Hurri. After allowing the engine to cool after overheating I have just climbed on full power for 10 minutes with radiators closed and no overheating???? Very odd!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I flew for over 15 minutes on 99% power 100% prop pitch and the engine didn't overheat.

Then I throttled up to 110% and the engine started overheating after around 17 minutes or so, all I did then was throttle down to 99% and after a few seconds engine temp was normal again.

So for me I didn't notice anything different then before.

XyZspineZyX
01-23-2004, 02:32 PM
Been reading a LOT about Hurris in all theatres (BoF, BoB, Malta, North Africa, and the Dutch East Indies), and I come across a LOT of instances where the ammo ran out either before catastropic damage could be done, or just when the chance for a real good burst was gained.

While the .303s *could* put up quite a spread and tear a plane up, they could also be annoyingly ineffective. Taking all the accounts as a whole, I'd say the differene was RANGE. Many pilots, in their excitement, or due to lack of training, fired from longer than 200 yards, and just did "superficial" damage to targets. The guys who got in real close were the ones who "tore 'em a new one".

I'm pretty much of the opinion that the Hurricane was a "lucky dog": a dog, but one that proved effective against Stukas and Heinkels in the BoB. Everywhere else it sometimes managed to "give as good as it got" for a time, but overall, they were outclassed and suffered high casualty rates.

The cannon-armed Hurries were, of course, more effective, but the early 20mm cannon were problematic and jammed frequently (also true with the first cannon-armed Spits until the kinks were worked out). We don't have to deal with that in FB and get the benefit of the doubt.

LeadSpitter_
01-23-2004, 03:53 PM
the hurricanes only match is the p11 now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

the i153 i16 can use thier climb and a 1000m dive to catch any hurricane trying to run away level.

As you see online even in early servers no one will fly them and the 8 .303s are less effective then 2 .303s/top turrent on the lancaster,

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SeaFireLIV
01-23-2004, 04:00 PM
Yea, but just one important point that makes it better-

It`s British!

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SD-DarkStalker
01-27-2004, 06:27 AM
pity we dont have the IIA or IID Hurricanes, and having the correct IIC (ordinance) would be nice. a later version such as the 1941 XII would make the hurricane series a little more used too.

the .303s are frustratingly ineffective especially considering the IIB had 12 of them. seems to take all my ammo to get one kill. I have to agree with SeaFire though, It's british so its great.

Tully__
01-27-2004, 06:49 AM
Perhaps you had the supercharger set to stage II below changeover altitude (about 3000m IIRC)??

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lbhskier37
01-27-2004, 09:54 AM
of course the 2 .303s on top of the lanc can smoke a 109s engine, you are shooting at it from the front! Try to take the hurri head on with a 109, it only takes about 2 hits to the engine to get it smoking. All the people whining about the .303 are probably attacking from dead six, I have no problem taking out 109s in the hurri.

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DeerHunterUK
01-27-2004, 09:58 AM
The overheating is kind of strange now, since 1.21 it seems to come on earlier (80-90 degrees) but you can fly for quite some time with the overheat message on without damaging your engine.
To fly and fight effectively in a Hurricane MkIa you really have to set your gun convergence well to suit your abilities, mine is set to 200 metres.Shooting down bombers is difficult but not impossible.A lot of pilots think they can give a short burst into a He-111 or Ju-88 and it's gonna fall from the sky...that's simply not true.If you can get both engines leaking coolant it'll go down but it might take a while.Contrary to popular belief the Hurricane MkIa is a better fighter to fighter aircraft than fighter to bomber in FB, my Squadron flies in a Battle of France (1940) setting so the main fighter opponents is the 109 e4 and 110.These are my stats for our BoF Campaign (please note about 4-5 of the flights were made in Yak-1's during our IL2 days).

29 fighters
11 bombers
3 ground
Which makes a total of 43 kills for 5060 points in 20 sorties.

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JG77_Tintin
01-28-2004, 02:51 AM
Just chalk it up as the performance of the early Hurricane with it's fixed pitched wooden prop and running on 87 octane fuel.

VVS-Manuc
01-28-2004, 04:22 AM
strange things happen in Oleg's World of Flight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Ta154_Moskito
01-28-2004, 09:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FbusterMk3:
Just tried out the Hurri IIb for the first time since 1.21 patch, even though I kept the throttle below 100% and the radiators open in position 4 the engine was overheating after about 5 minutes!
This is ridiculous. First we had the Hurricane that never overheated, then we had the reduced power hurricane which stood on the runway when you opened the throttle fully and did nothing for 4 seconds before agonisingly overcoming its apparently massive inertia,( look at old footage of Hurricanes scramble and see how nimbly they accelerate) now we have the slow low powered hurricane which overheats almost immediately.This does not bode well for BoB.
Can the FM's be this erratic from one patch to the next, this flight sim has lost all credibility for me, so whats the reason? ineptitude, or a big fat russian lie.
At least we won't be disappointed by that well known donkey the Spitfire.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

sigh..

[This message was edited by Ta154_Moskito on Wed January 28 2004 at 08:35 AM.]

Aaron_GT
01-28-2004, 11:00 AM
You need to get in at convergence with
the .303s, then they are effective if
you aim consistently at a vulnerable
location. On He111s it's probably best
to aim at an engine and set it on fire
if you are coming in from astern.

Alternatively relatively short bursts
on the crew compartment seem effective.

Another attack is to come in underneath
and fire at the wing roots. It can cause
an explosion even with .303s.

The two .303s on a Lancaster do have
one advantage over the Hurricane - the
two closely mounted guns are much less
suspectible to convergence effects.

I'm a pretty lousy pilot, but I've still
been able to down He111s online, so it
can be done.