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OldMan____
07-26-2004, 05:57 AM
Here is a proposal. Enumerate your most feared enemies. Including an explanation of why.. and how you deal with it.

Enumerate the plane you shot down most.. ect...


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My ride: FW190 (all)

Most effective enemy: SPITFire MK -IX- That is for sure the plane that shot me down more times. Its firepower is quite strong with hispanos. Usually can only defend from them if I see them comming in lot of advance. A fast dive with a random 90 degree roll and bank after 600 IAS is my savior against it.


Most feared enemy: P51- Althoug it does not shot me down so many times as Spitfire.. i fear it more.. due to its closer flying style to my FW190. Its dammit hard to loose one of those on your tail. My savior...? Well tell me one please. usually my saving is in bringing the battle close to a friendly 109. Don't really fear its .50 while I can keep medium distance and changing course.

Most shot down enemy: Spitfire and P38. The p38 is a very big target.. easy to spot so gives an advantage on attacking it. but when it spots you and start to climb.. just forget it.. I can't catch it.
The spitfire is a prey due to the way I hunt. Usually I jump into already in course pursuits (does not matter who is doing what). Spitfire pilots usually trust too much in their horizontal turn hability. Making their path predictable.. so that I just need to spray my 20 mm cannons in its path at correct time. Unfotunnately.. when you face a very good pilot.. you can put yourself in danger.



Most hated plane: p47- damit. This thing is strong as an iron wall. And while I keep myself for 30 seconds behind one (needed to shot it down) another one comes and rip my wings. Congrats USAF guys.. now you have a hell of ride. For sure is the plane that I shot down LESS, although I pursuited a lot of them.



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Please don't start another flame war here.. just wanna impressions.. Ideas of how each one sees their oposition.

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

OldMan____
07-26-2004, 05:57 AM
Here is a proposal. Enumerate your most feared enemies. Including an explanation of why.. and how you deal with it.

Enumerate the plane you shot down most.. ect...


--

My ride: FW190 (all)

Most effective enemy: SPITFire MK -IX- That is for sure the plane that shot me down more times. Its firepower is quite strong with hispanos. Usually can only defend from them if I see them comming in lot of advance. A fast dive with a random 90 degree roll and bank after 600 IAS is my savior against it.


Most feared enemy: P51- Althoug it does not shot me down so many times as Spitfire.. i fear it more.. due to its closer flying style to my FW190. Its dammit hard to loose one of those on your tail. My savior...? Well tell me one please. usually my saving is in bringing the battle close to a friendly 109. Don't really fear its .50 while I can keep medium distance and changing course.

Most shot down enemy: Spitfire and P38. The p38 is a very big target.. easy to spot so gives an advantage on attacking it. but when it spots you and start to climb.. just forget it.. I can't catch it.
The spitfire is a prey due to the way I hunt. Usually I jump into already in course pursuits (does not matter who is doing what). Spitfire pilots usually trust too much in their horizontal turn hability. Making their path predictable.. so that I just need to spray my 20 mm cannons in its path at correct time. Unfotunnately.. when you face a very good pilot.. you can put yourself in danger.



Most hated plane: p47- damit. This thing is strong as an iron wall. And while I keep myself for 30 seconds behind one (needed to shot it down) another one comes and rip my wings. Congrats USAF guys.. now you have a hell of ride. For sure is the plane that I shot down LESS, although I pursuited a lot of them.



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Please don't start another flame war here.. just wanna impressions.. Ideas of how each one sees their oposition.

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

LeadSpitter_
07-26-2004, 06:04 AM
ki84 spitfire9 la7 and yak3 when flying the 190 between 3000-6000m

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SeaFireLIV
07-26-2004, 06:28 AM
In Spitfire.

Feared most: Focke wolf D9 with those guns, I think.

Most effective: 109Gas and maybe G2s.

In I16.

109F when flown properly is very effective and almost impossible to shoot down.

Most feared: G2s.

Yesterday I chased a `GH` Squad fighter in a 109F, I think all the way to around 5000metres. This was VEF and I was in the I16.

I was the only one who managed to chase him up this high, the other I16s floundered below. I myself could only follow, but not actually catch him, he should have carried on running. But he didn`t.

Eventually, when the 109 felt high enough, he turned and made an attack, thinking I was about to stall out. But I know my I16 well, and avoided a stall and he aborted the attack.

This time, still sure of his height advantage vs my `crappy` I16 he came at me on a H to H. We both passed eachother. He came back again.

I took his wing off. The I16 `24 has one of the best guns for its type at the start of the war.

Like I said, I know my I16 well.

Incidentally, later that day, I had an almost identical fight with an AI 109 offline which used the same tactic! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Hoarmurath
07-26-2004, 06:31 AM
My most feared ennemy? the trees... and especially those vast forest you don't see when really low....

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Soapy_112th
07-26-2004, 06:38 AM
My kids, when I'm playing on or offline, they always seem to time it just right, sneak up behind me and grab my arm as I'm about to open fire on some unsuspecting guy 250m in front of me.

Then when they grab the mouse "to see what it does" I become a spinning stalling easy target for my intended victim.

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OldMan____
07-26-2004, 06:44 AM
I think seafire go closer to what I expected.. but these are really tough enemies also. I dare to imagine if oleg would include tree destruction in BoB.. so we can avenge on them.

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

GT182
07-26-2004, 06:50 AM
Anything on your 6 that is shooting at you and you know the reason why.

And yes, those darned trees you can't see. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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TgD Thunderbolt56
07-26-2004, 06:57 AM
I like to fly the P-39.

My most feared enemy is the 190 because of his speed and firepower. A well-flown FW is almost impossible due to its toughness and ability to dictate the fight conditions.

Favorite target: has to be the 109 that tries to scissor with the Cobra...cold meat. Also, the 109 that underestimates the zoom-climb of the P-39. I'll pursue until he tries to zoom up and away (not to be mistaken for a power-climb or properly executed spiral-climb) and *pop* him at the top.

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Tooz_69GIAP
07-26-2004, 07:17 AM
My ride: IL-2 all types

Most feared enemy: SdKfz.251

20mm and 88mm flak is damned nasty, but nothing seems to rival the SdKfz.251 with it's single MG42 blasting away!!!!

I have set up a few ground pounding missions for fun now and then, and I normally have 2 or 3 convoys with Maultiers and SdKFz.251s (some 20mm and 88m for good measure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif ). Virtually without fail, it's the SdKfz.251 that does the major damage. As soon as I hear that pronounced chatter of it's MG42, it is virtually guarnateed that unless I start doing crazy evasives, I am gonna get some major hits somewhere vital with a few seconds!!!!

The biggest problem is that it's armoured, and it's bloody small!!! A maultier is easy to take out; a few 23mm rounds and it's gone in a ball of flame. The Sd.Kfz will take up to 7 or 8 23mm rounds (maybe more) before it succumbs, and it will often take me a few passes to get it, coz it's that bloody small, I miss it quite a lot.

That is my most feared enemy in my IL-2.

Tooz

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johann_thor
07-26-2004, 07:36 AM
when flying red - good pilot in a FW190

when flying FW190 - good pilot in a P39

109 ....... spitfire

steiner562
07-26-2004, 07:55 AM
I hate engaging Spirfires,they can be quite a handful at times http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Breeze147
07-26-2004, 08:09 AM
Time

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EZbusa
07-26-2004, 09:12 AM
I fly the P51D

Letting any 109 get in the saddle is no fun at all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif especially at low altitude.

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VOL_Hans
07-26-2004, 09:29 AM
My most feared enemy? Oh come on...I'm a 109 pilot! You should know how I'm going to answer...
As I walk through the valley of death I fear no one, for I am the meanest mother f***er in the valley! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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Atomic_Marten
07-26-2004, 09:50 AM
I respect pilot who knows exactly what is that he should do in specific situation, and the exact way to do it.

I fear nobody since there's no way he could put real holes in me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Off the A/C's, Spits are maybe the most capable ones (all around), they're maybe the most suitable ones for all kinds of fighting. Of course flown properly every A/C is very deadly.

But me thinks that pilot is the one you should be affraid( http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif), not type of A/C http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif. And yeah almost forget one more nasty oppo: flak. Thx Tooz_69GIAP for reminding me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

My preferable rides: IL-2's , P-39's(maybe the most) and Bf-109G10... there's more but this ones will do.

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Hunde_3.JG51
07-26-2004, 10:15 AM
I fly FW-190 most of the time, and I don't really have a problem with Spit, P-47, P-38, P-39, Yak, etc. (I don't get involved in too many 1 vs 1 engagements)

My most feared enemy is the P-51 in the West and the La-7 in the East because they can match my speed and handling for the most part. You really have to know what you can get away with against those two and when you can disengage if need be. P-63 can also be a tough opponent, I just hope they fix the DM soon.

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BlackShrike
07-26-2004, 10:24 AM
only planes with superior energy that can slow down faster than my bird whichever im in. depends. but basically higher planes with superior ability to slow down quickly is about the only real threat.

Simjock
07-26-2004, 10:35 AM
My main ride latley is the P-51D. I like the over all performance, and firepower. But I think my all time favorite plane is the MUG-3U. The MIG is a hot rod with guns. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

My most feared enemy is an FW-190 with an altitude atvantage. Their almost impoossible to escape. The 190 just Booms and Zooms over and over maintaining it's airspeed while I lose speed and altitude trying to evade, and eventually I get killed every time. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

The Biggest weenie in the skies has to be the BF-109 models. No matter what I'm flying, even an IL2, I find them easy to evade, turn inside, out climb, or run away if need be. And the poor things just can't take a punch. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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IKG26Redcoat
07-26-2004, 10:41 AM
my most feared enemy? cheeky kids and white crusty dog****! lol, nah as a bomber pilot my most feared enemy is the arsehole who has spent 2 mins trying to shoot me down, wasting all his ammo because all he knows how to do is sit directly on my six and blaze away until his ammo is all gone, and then decide to ram me for the hell of it. I dont fly arcade dogfights, only coops and campaigns, so it can be a tad annoying to say the least that after flying a long run, getting set up, hitting your target, escaping the area in formation, fighting off attacking aircraft, only to get rammed and destroyed by morons who couldnt think of anything better to do. They are a blight on their squadrons good names. Ive heard a lot about how indistructable HE111 are. This is rubbish. A good pilot can always bring down a he111 without too much trouble, as long as he is aware of his targets strengths and weaknesses. A pair can do even better. Ive seen lots of nme attacks on bombers, some by great pilots, who work in pairs and use coperative teamwork to bring down their target with excellent tactics and superb flying. And Ive seen plenty by people who fail to bring them down and go away muttering about how uber they are.Then come here and complain about them. Bollocks. Anyone who thinks this , feel free to page me in the lobby, you pick an he111, and ill show how its done. I know how because i fly them. Anyway, mini rant over, lol.Didnt mean to rabbit quite so much. Dont want any flamers because I aint listening. Take it up with me in the lobby if you disagree,lol
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crazyivan1970
07-26-2004, 10:56 AM
My most feared enemy... is the one that i didn`t see http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As i stated in another thread... i don`t fear particular planes... but i fear ...

Giro,
Korolov,
Rall,
Lixma,
Pipper,
MajorD.... and so on, those i fear. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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huggy87
07-26-2004, 11:03 AM
Carnies... they have small hands.

IKG26Redcoat
07-26-2004, 11:26 AM
LMAO, yep, pikeys are to be feared and shunned, lol

There are a lot of people, who say, that bombing can never win a war. Well, my answer to that, is that it has never been tried yet, and we shall see.
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diomedes33
07-26-2004, 11:56 AM
Then enemy I most fear is myself. 10% of the times I get killed is because I'm bested by the other guy. Another 10% is because I get bounced. However the remaining 80% is because do something stupid that gives the other guy a good shot.

As for enemy planes I usually am flying a fw-190 so 51's because they can do just about everything I can. Spitfires are a real pain if I'm at an equal energy state. I try not to let that happen though.


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Yum_Yum
07-26-2004, 12:53 PM
Hello OldMan___ and to Everyone http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nice thread!

I use all of the Focke Wulf types and have no concerns for any particular types of enemies I encounter.

Most effective enemy:
Over all I think is the P51, high or low a competently used P51 is the main pain! but evenly matched opponent.

P47 is very very tough!
I try to make my attack quickly so others will be un able to locate me by my shooting. When I attack and see a P47 appearing as my target I know I will have to make a number of passes to bring it down. usually I don't shoot them and save my ammo for easier victims who require less shooting!

Most Shot down Plane:
Always the one who is unaware or pre-enguaged. I don't single out particular types of planes, but I am always weary of the way in which they are used, and I think this can indicate that a player has more ability than the plane type they are using. Those go to the top of my priority list http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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OldMan____
07-26-2004, 12:59 PM
Sure.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

By the way.. this idea of not shooting P47 is indeed interesting. But hope not ALL of LW start using it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

Eagle_361st
07-26-2004, 01:00 PM
I am a Jug driver, so I fear no plane. I do however fear making mistakes and pilots in the other plane who will take advantage of them. My favorite targets are Zeros, they sure are pretty when they explode. Second would be 109's/190's are tied for very nice bullet catchers.

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OldMan____
07-26-2004, 01:08 PM
Much people say it fears nothing... only pilots. But won't you say you behave the same when you have an Spitfire and an P47 attacking you!! Shaking them is completely different.

If you say you do.. then that is not a confirmation of pilot skill that you guys think are making. Thats an affirmation of MADNESS

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

Red_Russian13
07-26-2004, 03:38 PM
I don't fear anything specifically, but I get shot down by everything!

My ride is a 109...the poor creature. Having me at the stick is a sure death sentance!

Red Russian

Atomic_Marten
07-26-2004, 03:40 PM
If u got a bandit on 6, close range, then good chances that ur goin to be dead in a few sec's. No matter if he's flying a jug or dora or whatever. However, if you're on high alt and on high speed than u have some chance to escape (if u spot her/him early, that is). No matter how good u are. IMHO.

So guys, fly nice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

Fw-190D-9
07-26-2004, 04:11 PM
The Opponet that drives me the most nuts:

The P-51D mustang, I don't care where this thing is flown It seems to out turn me, or at the very lest turn with me any where, and those .50cals are nasty!

The opponet I enjoy the most: P-38, Big target.

BS87
07-26-2004, 04:14 PM
Well, i fly the P-38, so anything that has Mk108s. 20mm i can seem to survive every now and then, but fire 30mm in my general direction, and the all to familiar sight of me flipiing forward minus 1 tail boom is sure to arise.

carguy_
07-26-2004, 04:37 PM
Most feared enemy:Spit.The psychological effect rises while facing the beast.Downing it makes me feel special.:P

Most effective enemy:P39.I can never predict what`s it gonna do.It can even stand up to Me109 G2.You never know when all of a sudden you get cut in half with 37MM.

Most shutdown enemy:Yak.Becuz I`ve flown mostly VEF.When I got to really know this plane,it seized to be any of danger.

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BennyMoore
07-26-2004, 09:34 PM
I fly P-38, and the aircraft that makes me do a hasty belly landing is the Ki-84.

VOL_Hans
07-26-2004, 09:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
My most feared enemy... is the one that i didn`t see
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

**Is creeping up from behind with his Bf-109G-10 at this very moment...**
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Vladimir_No2
07-26-2004, 09:49 PM
I fly J8As and P.11s and I fear the I-153 most. Those bloody green tracer firing guns hurt very much. The I-153 is also a good match in performance for my aircraft, and it takes quite a few hits to bring down.

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Bearcat99
07-27-2004, 07:01 AM
The one who I cant shake...... and me. Most of my deaths are cause by something stuipid I did.. Im still learning... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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