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Willthisnamedo
01-26-2004, 05:27 AM
OK folks, I have a 'possible' bug that has been with me throughout IL"FB from out of the box to the newest (1.22) version:

The hurri flaps only seem to have 2 settings: up or landing, with no others occuring (all other a/c work fine), and if I try to turn on the mirrors in the hurri, I get a CTD - again, works for all other (mirror fitted) a/c...

Anyone else had this issue/aware of it/know of a solution??

Willthisnamedo
01-26-2004, 05:27 AM
OK folks, I have a 'possible' bug that has been with me throughout IL"FB from out of the box to the newest (1.22) version:

The hurri flaps only seem to have 2 settings: up or landing, with no others occuring (all other a/c work fine), and if I try to turn on the mirrors in the hurri, I get a CTD - again, works for all other (mirror fitted) a/c...

Anyone else had this issue/aware of it/know of a solution??

Rajvosa
01-26-2004, 05:30 AM
I don't know about the mirrors (how do you even turn them on?), but Hurri did only have two settings for flaps: retracted or detracted, all or nothing. No combat or take-off settings.



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Willthisnamedo
01-26-2004, 05:32 AM
Ahah: well that would solve 1 problem then: I just get confused when it says 'landing' on take-off... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Now I just have to solve the mirror thingy...

Thanks for the advice.

blabla0001
01-26-2004, 05:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
I don't know about the mirrors (how do you even turn them on?), but Hurri did only have two settings for flaps: retracted or detracted, all or nothing. No combat or take-off settings.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Hurricane MKI yes, but the Hurricane MKII did not only have landing flaps.

SpinSpinSugar
01-26-2004, 05:39 AM
I've used the Hurri mirrors without problem on 1.22. Do you get the same problems with other aircraft with mirrors?

Re: flaps, I think the Hurricane II (for instance the 2C in the game) had intermediate flap settings which are not currently modelled, the Hurricane I only had up or down.

Cheers, SSS

Rajvosa
01-26-2004, 05:40 AM
Yes, my mistake. I should have stated that I was referring to Mk I.



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Willthisnamedo
01-26-2004, 05:54 AM
OK: so my understanding is that, whichever model I'm flying, I should only expect the 'up or 'down' flaps option. Clear on that.

As to the mirror - yes, that's what's so odd: the LA7 and others (P47) work fine, but the hurri always CTDs as soon as I try and turn them on (or if I start with them already on, I just can't select the plane...) It is most odd, and has happened with 2 different GPUs (both ATI), with all the different drivers of the last year or so...

Rajvosa
01-26-2004, 06:00 AM
So, how do you turn the mirrors on?
Yeah, I've been living under a rock for a while now... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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blabla0001
01-26-2004, 06:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willthisnamedo:
OK: so my understanding is that, whichever model I'm flying, I should only expect the 'up or 'down' flaps option. Clear on that.

As to the mirror - yes, that's what's so odd: the LA7 and others (P47) work fine, but the hurri always CTDs as soon as I try and turn them on (or if I start with them already on, I just can't select the plane...) It is most odd, and has happened with 2 different GPUs (both ATI), with all the different drivers of the last year or so...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's because of the Texture compression bug.

The only way to use the Hurricane Mirror is by turning off texture compression in the IL2 Setup.

Rajvosa
01-26-2004, 06:08 AM
If we do turn texture compression, how will it affect the rest of the game? Looks and performance stuff...



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Willthisnamedo
01-26-2004, 06:08 AM
OK Cappadoc: you 'speak with authority'. Thanks, I'll try that at home tonight: how come it doesn't affect the other mirrored aircraft?

Fennec_P
01-26-2004, 06:09 AM
Compression speeds up the frame rate, at the expense of texture quality.

So turning it off would kill the frame rate. In my case, I lose 30% of my frames by disabling S3TC.

Willthisnamedo
01-26-2004, 06:10 AM
Rav: haven't got my key ref here at work, but from memory I've bound a key to toggle them in the controls set up - just go in and scroll down till you see 'toggle mirrors', or somesuch, and select your key of choice...

blabla0001
01-26-2004, 06:36 AM
Yes, texture compression off will kill your framerate.

So if you sum up the good things against the bad things I chose not to use the Mirrors on the Hurricane.

Pro's:
-You can check your six with the mirror

Conn's:
-You loose around 30% of your framerate
-The position of the mirror is not helping much, you either need to look into at full zoom out mode (that includes the Shift-F1 as well which renders your gunsight view very restricted) or look at it from an odd angle that isn't very helpful to fully check your six anyway
-Additionally you loose more framerate as soon as you activate the mirror on top of the framerate losse that turns off texture compression

As to why it's only with the Hurricane, I suspect it's because the Hurricane has a higher polygon count (above the 3000 limit) then the other aircraft in the game that have mirrors.

But it's only a guess since I don't know anything about the cource code but it's the only thing that is different on the Hurricane compared to the other planes.

DeerHunterUK
01-26-2004, 06:45 AM
I think the book 'Piece of Cake' summed up the Hurricane's mirror the best.Can't remember the exact quote but it was to the effect of...
"don't bother using your mirror, if you can see a 109 in it, it's already too late."

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Zayets
01-26-2004, 07:06 AM
Why do you care about mirrors? if you see the hun in the mirror then is usualy too late.

Zayets out

Willthisnamedo
01-26-2004, 07:11 AM
Thanks for all the responses guys.

I have to say, inresponse to the 'mirror haters', I do actually find them useful in furballs on line. Granted, it aint a great image or anything, but I adjust my FOV so that the mirror is at the top of the screen, and the bottom of the screen is the bottom of the cockpit glass (no head down in the cockpit when trying to track an opponent, eh?)

If, while I'm frantically lining up on the poor target in my sights, someone else is doing the same to me, I find that it tends to give me just enough warning for a break turn. It's not "ah, there's 'insertyourname' in his E model 109 with the weathered skin", but more along the lines of 'bloody hell - something's behind me!!!' And that's rarely good in that situation... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

No601_prangster
01-26-2004, 07:20 AM
The S3TC with mirrors bug is cured by the new CAT4.1 drivers. Give them a try http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Prangster
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http://www.tangmerepilots-raf.co.uk/

blabla0001
01-26-2004, 07:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by No601_prangster:
The S3TC with mirrors bug is cured by the new CAT4.1 drivers. Give them a try http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Prangster
No.601 Squadron
Tangmere Pilots
http://www.tangmerepilots-raf.co.uk/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, that's a good thing then.

Willthisnamedo
01-26-2004, 07:25 AM
Will do prangster - thx

SpinSpinSugar
01-26-2004, 07:28 AM
That's presumably why I've not seen the problem then, been on Cat 4.1 since the release http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers,

SSS

blabla0001
01-26-2004, 07:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willthisnamedo:
Thanks for all the responses guys.

I have to say, inresponse to the 'mirror haters', I do actually find them useful in furballs on line. Granted, it aint a great image or anything, but I adjust my FOV so that the mirror is at the top of the screen, and the bottom of the screen is the bottom of the cockpit glass (no head down in the cockpit when trying to track an opponent, eh?)

If, while I'm frantically lining up on the poor target in my sights, someone else is doing the same to me, I find that it tends to give me just enough warning for a break turn. It's not "ah, there's 'insertyourname' in his E model 109 with the weathered skin", but more along the lines of 'bloody hell - something's behind me!!!' And that's rarely good in that situation... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too bad the mirror doesn't allow you to see when your bounced from above, when I fly in a Bf109 I always attack from above, the famous B&Z tactic so in that regard the mirror doesn't really help you anyway other then to check if your moustage still looks decent before you bail out.

Willthisnamedo
01-26-2004, 07:32 AM
Ah, but Cappa - that assumes I'm flying straight and level in a combat zone - never happen!!

I agree, they aint great, but they've saved me a couple of times, so thats's good enough for me. Anyway - I might have bent it so it's pointing up and behind...(see 'bendymirrors' in control setup)

blabla0001
01-26-2004, 07:36 AM
You don't always have to be in a combat zone to get bounced, but even when aircraft are moving around they can be picked off with B&Z tactics fairly easy, especially when they don't see you comming.

Willthisnamedo
01-26-2004, 07:38 AM
OK, I'm sure you're right: but that's precisely why I want a mirror. It aint perfect, but it might just help a little bit if I'm lucky: good enough for me.

blabla0001
01-26-2004, 07:42 AM
Personally I like the LA7 mirror better due to their postition inside the cockpit, you only have to look up a little in order to look into it.

But yes, the mirrors are very nicely modelled in the game and usefull to a point.

NetDaemon
01-26-2004, 09:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by No601_prangster:
The S3TC with mirrors bug is cured by the new CAT4.1 drivers. Give them a try http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Prangster
No.601 Squadron
Tangmere Pilots
http://www.tangmerepilots-raf.co.uk/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed, mirrors in Hurri work fine in both, perfect and excellent modes with Cat4.1, highly recomended update.



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