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Thunak
06-15-2004, 08:38 AM
Please note that the 2.2 patch currently available on certain sites is not the official version. Ubisoft will not be held responsible for any damage caused to you computers or data.

If you wish to go ahead and install this "leak", you do so at your own risk. Make sure to back-up your folders.

We strongly recommend you wait for the official version to be released.

T

Thunak
06-15-2004, 08:38 AM
Please note that the 2.2 patch currently available on certain sites is not the official version. Ubisoft will not be held responsible for any damage caused to you computers or data.

If you wish to go ahead and install this "leak", you do so at your own risk. Make sure to back-up your folders.

We strongly recommend you wait for the official version to be released.

T

RACFrankenstein
06-15-2004, 08:42 AM
Definately a good plan...

Any idea when the official release will be?

(just don't say 2 weeks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

Capt._Tenneal
06-15-2004, 08:42 AM
THANK YOU, Thunak !!!

This needed to be said more than anything, yesterday. But today is good http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

HexAngel
06-15-2004, 08:42 AM
Thanks for a official word about this "patch"! And I thought the mods had been captured http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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HH Quazi
06-15-2004, 08:42 AM
Thanks for a response to all the bull with allot of thread starters yesterday. A couple of links did some crazy things to others computers.

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Thunak
06-15-2004, 08:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RACFrankenstein:
Definately a good plan...

Any idea when the official release will be?

(just don't say 2 weeks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dang! I thought you hadn't noticed... Now I have to find another cunning reply.

T

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06-15-2004, 08:52 AM
Thanks for the update T.

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Locust_
06-15-2004, 09:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thunak:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RACFrankenstein:
Definately a good plan...

Any idea when the official release will be?

(just don't say 2 weeks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dang! I thought you hadn't noticed... Now I have to find another cunning reply.

T<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


ONE MORE WEEKS BE SURE, MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHA

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Scragbat
06-15-2004, 09:08 AM
Well, I suppose I got a little excited about this new 'leaked' patch and downloaded it and installed it.

I have decided upon receiving good advice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif to not bother with it, and wait till it is released officially.

I never backed up my folders but thankfully I was able to just repatch the game back to 2.01 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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SeaFireLIV
06-15-2004, 09:13 AM
Well.. well.. well... All the signs were there for anyone looking.

SeaFireLIV...


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WHERE is he???

Obi_Kwiet
06-15-2004, 09:28 AM
It must be a beta. Since IL2 isn't open sorce, then it jsut must be a stolen late beta.

dhasdell
06-15-2004, 09:36 AM
Has the thread that was on here this morning been wiped?

nearmiss
06-15-2004, 09:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thunak:
Please note that the 2.2 patch currently available on certain sites is not the official version. Ubisoft will not be held responsible for any damage caused to you computers or data.

If you wish to go ahead and install this "leak", you do so at your own risk. Make sure to back-up your folders.

We strongly recommend you wait for the official version to be released.

T<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So does this mean UbiSoft will be responsible if the "authorized" patch damages my computer or data?

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F19_Orheim
06-15-2004, 09:43 AM
Again we have problems with leakage.... You guys really have to be more careful regarding beta-testers...

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Capt._Tenneal
06-15-2004, 09:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
It must be a beta. Since IL2 isn't open sorce, then it jsut must be a stolen late beta.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ooooh, does that mean someone in 1C:Maddox is in trouble with Oleg ? Once they find the leaker...[makes throat-cutting gesture].

609IAP_Recon
06-15-2004, 09:59 AM
The sad part is that all through hyperlobby last night people were told to wait and that it wasn't official.

Yet, despite this, we had many claiming it was real and causing confusion to others.

Some of the members of our community need a wake up call.

Thanks for the website post to address this issue.

Note: you are right about beta tester leaking, however - it's time for members to show some accountability and not pass blame to those that leaked. If you downloaded, installed, made available for others to download, etc... then you are no better than the person who leaked it.

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TX Rahman
06-15-2004, 10:00 AM
Also...not to mention that a leak usually causes the official release to be delayed...

Thanks there leakboy...whoever you are..

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WOLFMondo
06-15-2004, 10:11 AM
Don't all the beta testers sign an NDA? If not maybe they should and 1C should put some form of CD key or copy protection on there products so leaked beta's are easily identified and the culprit can be sued.

Its worked on beta's ive worked on the past.

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Udidtoo
06-15-2004, 10:17 AM
I would imagine that trying to convince a beta leaker that its not a good thing would be like trying to convince a online pirate that piracy is theft.

They tend to equate "I can" with "therefore its not wrong."

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AHGremlin
06-15-2004, 10:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Udidtoo:
I would imagine that trying to convince a beta leaker that its not a good thing would be like trying to convince a online pirate that piracy is theft.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You would also be incorrectly assuming enough grey matter to absorb such a concepthttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Dawg-of-death
06-15-2004, 10:32 AM
Since it has leaked I wonder whats on it ?

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Scragbat
06-15-2004, 10:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG50_Recon:
...If you downloaded, installed, made available for others to download, etc... then you are no better than the person who leaked it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's a bit harsh. I just downloaded it and installed it. There was a link available and that's what I did.

I actually think I am better than the person who leaked it. It didn't pass it on to anyone else or even comment on the changes that it made to the game. I just had a look at it and then reverted back to the official patch.

I haven't defied my employers and stole from them...


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LeadSpitter_
06-15-2004, 10:36 AM
Am I the only who thinks posting whats going on with the patch and delay reasons would be much more effective into silencing all this patch junk?

It would take the same time as this post took less then a couple seconds and problem solved.

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Eagle_361st
06-15-2004, 10:36 AM
So please tell me, what exactly is the reason UBI is holding the patch? It is finished and ready for distribution, and has been released already in Russia. So I am dying to know, why we are being held back?

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BfHeFwMe
06-15-2004, 10:49 AM
Standard procedure, leak, watch the reaction, if it all hit's the fan, it's a beta, if not, good to go.

BlitzPig_DDT
06-15-2004, 10:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thunak:
Please note that the 2.2 patch currently available on certain sites is not the official version. Ubisoft will not be held responsible for any damage caused to you computers or data.

If you wish to go ahead and install this "leak", you do so at your own risk. Make sure to back-up your folders.

We strongly recommend you wait for the official version to be released.

T<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Call me cynical perhaps, and no offense to you Thunak, I'm not trying to come down on you or anything but, I have to wonder just what kind of responsibility Ubi would take for any "damage" caused by an official release.

Something tells me it would be a matter of "that's unheard of. It doesn't do that on anything we've tested or the multitudes of other users. It must have been something else, sorry."

(that "something" may be my experience in the IT industry lol)

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rpkiller
06-15-2004, 11:20 AM
Ohhh carbunkling croppolerisms - I downloaded and installed the patch allready (not realising it to be leaked) - and so guess I won't be able to play on hyperlobby tonight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Spectre_USA
06-15-2004, 11:39 AM
You're cynical, DDT. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What? You asked! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And if there were problems with an authorized patch, there would be a quick fix put out, as
has been withnessed on one previous patch, IIRC...

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MB_Avro
06-15-2004, 11:55 AM
Thanks for this post. A moment of clarity.

Regards
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Popey109
06-15-2004, 11:56 AM
Well! guess what!...I was told that the patch would be released monday! by an administrator! now you tell me DL at my oun risk?...would have been nice to hear this yesterday! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif I'm playing with no adverce effects so far...but where were the mods on a day we where told to expect the patch?

BBB_Hyperion
06-15-2004, 11:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thunak:
Please note that the 2.2 patch currently available on certain sites is not the official version. Ubisoft will not be held responsible for any damage caused to you computers or data.

If you wish to go ahead and install this "leak", you do so at your own risk. Make sure to back-up your folders.

We strongly recommend you wait for the official version to be released.

T<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wonder when this 2.2 comes out . Didnt saw it on a website yet.As long it is not will test the 2.02 version http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif but will check for updates on 2.2 as well.

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JG5_Emil
06-15-2004, 12:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
Am I the only who thinks posting whats going on with the patch and delay reasons would be much more effective into silencing all this patch junk?

It would take the same time as this post took less then a couple seconds and problem solved.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I totally agree. It takes no more than one minute to just let us know whats going on...

Maybe they want their customers to be like mushrooms.....kept in the dark and fed sh*t

P.s Is it really true that the russian version of the patch is out? How does that work?

DuxCorvan
06-15-2004, 12:50 PM
I don't understand this 'Nacht und Nebel' politics. This 'leaked' patch has been released already in Russia, and 'Glasnost' is supposed not to be necessary yet.

Release the patch now, tell us why can't it be released, or simply do as ever and stay silent. The thankful feelings this community of gamers should feel for such continued support of our favourite piece of software are often faded by this 'pull and push' behavior that drives us literally mad.

But don't you try to scare people with childish arguments such as 'install at your own risk' as it were to eat our vid card. The worst this patch can do is forcing us to install FB/AEP again. The advice of making backup has been stated in all patches. And if someone has read some of the abusive UBI license agreements -which deny the right to private copy, among others- he'll discover we always install their products 'at our own risk'.

There are no rival companies trying to make patches for FB/AEP, so such secrecy is pointless. All these 'school backyard undercover' situations are easily avoided by sharing info with customers.

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GAU-8
06-15-2004, 12:52 PM
DDT!

lol. hit it right on the head, same, thing i was thinkin,

no offence THUNAK.. but some people could see that post VERY misleading.. i can see where some one could misinterperet that.."ooh so with the offical release, ubi is liable if i properly load patch, and computer gives up the ghost eh?"

Mechy01
06-15-2004, 01:17 PM
~S~ I don't usually post over here, but I do read the boards alot when I hear talk of a patch, I didn't d/l the leaked patch, this time, but have d/led leaked patches before. With that said, I think UbiSoft has some resposnibitly to the community to provide honest and accurate information, this is their board. This all started on friday when someone in the community mentioned the patch and one of the Mods replied:

"You never know.... you never know

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That started everyone looking, then came the post Not Today...everyone calmed down. So when Monday came, their were alot of crazy dogs out there chomping at the bit to get the patch. I don't know exactly how but the patched appeared, now people are screaming for mirrors sites, so some people, who I just think they were doing the community a good thing, host it.
Now we get the front page use it at your own risk thing....thru all the nonsense yesterday...not one word from a moderator..why??? There were posts, where people were asking someone from UBI to clear things up...but nothing....I think Ubi are just as guilty as the people that leaked the patch, all it would have took is someone from there saying that isn't the official patch... it never happened.

DONB3397
06-15-2004, 01:36 PM
What Duxcorvan said. Just post the patch and cut the c--p. It seems pretty clear that the betas have been completed.

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Maple_Tiger
06-15-2004, 01:37 PM
To download and install or not to download and install?

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Lucius_Esox
06-15-2004, 01:39 PM
Everyone has five minutes of fame, and if that is the guys who leaked 2.02, man you got a boring life coming up!

RedDeth
06-15-2004, 01:57 PM
every single version of every single patch for every single online game has always been leaked.

hopefully you guys realize this fact of the online world. as long as you beta test its leaked. thats what happens. you give a patch to a few thousand enthusiastic gamers every one of which has 30 online buddies and it gets leaked. its impossible to stop and they Know this.

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Spectre-63
06-15-2004, 02:13 PM
typical corporate mindset: it didn't come directly from us, it could be bad, don't touch it, we won't support it. I can understand the mindset - after all, I wouldn't want to support code that has passed thru another's hands either (one never knows what might have been changed.)

Having installed this patch however, at least on the surface, it's passed muster. No glaring issues, no nuclear detonations, no harddrive meltdown. I did, however, take precautions. I virusscanned the .zip file before expanding it. I made a copy of my AEP directory before installing it.

I think the biggest problem yesterday was the absolute lack of "official word" with regards to the patch that was circulating. In light of the announcement to expect a release on Monday, it's not surprising that many, myself included, took the plunge.

My two cents worth...

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plumps_
06-15-2004, 02:21 PM
WTH are some of you talking about 'leaked beta' and beta testers? The loading screen doesn't say 'beta' so it has nothing to do with 'beta' anything. Obviously it was meant to be official when it left 1C but they found an issue or wanted to add something afterwards (bugfix? anti-cheat measure? new aircraft?) and stopped the official release. No reason to get excited.

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SeaFireLIV
06-15-2004, 02:40 PM
So because something doesn`t say it`s a Beta that means it`s not a Beta? You`re quite young aren`t you?

Y`know from what i`ve seen in the past couple of days Heaven forbid that any terminal disease appears that spreads through dodgy computer patches...

Halve the Human population would be dead before anyone got the message and stopped using it!

DuxCorvan
06-15-2004, 02:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by plumps_:
WTH are some of you talking about 'leaked beta' and beta testers? The loading screen doesn't say 'beta' so it has nothing to do with 'beta' anything. Obviously it was meant to be official when it left 1C but they found an issue or wanted to add something afterwards (bugfix? anti-cheat measure? new aircraft?) and stopped the official release. No reason to get excited.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If that was the case, this thread would have been a perfect chance to explain it.

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BaldieJr
06-15-2004, 03:03 PM
Some of you high-and-mighty do-gooders would be interested to know that my logfiles show some of the names of people downloading the leaked patch.

Just thought you'd like to know. Have fun!

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Call_me_Kanno
06-15-2004, 03:15 PM
I wasn't going to fool with it anyway since it wasn't on the offical sight but good idea to warn folks.

btw, the LOMAC 1.02 patch has been released.

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plumps_
06-15-2004, 03:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
So because something doesn`t say it`s a Beta that means it`s not a Beta? You`re quite young aren`t you?

Y`know from what i`ve seen in the past couple of days Heaven forbid that any terminal disease appears that spreads through dodgy computer patches...

Halve the Human population would be dead before anyone got the message and stopped using it!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You must be right. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif So what you're trying to say is that someone cracked the encryption that keeps FB free of cheats and saves the code from beeing stolen, added a fake loading screen and released a bogus game version? That would be a severe danger to the complete business model called FB/AEP. If this was the case Ubi would do more than just send out a leak... ehm lukewarm warning like this.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You`re quite young aren`t you?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks, at my age this is considered to be a compliment!

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Jenny_B
06-15-2004, 04:15 PM
I'd say it's a bl*** nuisance that many servers have switched to the version that is patched with the not-to-be-trusted-patch. That means that anyone with any sense of computer security can't play online on a number of servers.

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JG5_Emil
06-15-2004, 04:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jenny_B:
I'd say it's a bl*** nuisance that many servers have switched to the version that is patched with the not-to-be-trusted-patch. That means that anyone with any sense of computer security can't play online on a number of servers.

--Jenny
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And Ubi/C1 would make a patch, beta or not which would compromise your security for what reason?

Huxley_S
06-15-2004, 05:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think the biggest problem yesterday was the absolute lack of "official word" with regards to the patch that was circulating. In light of the announcement to expect a release on Monday, it's not surprising that many, myself included, took the plunge.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes indeedy. Told to expect patch on Monday. Checked the boards all day. Had a chuckle at Jerry playing Monty Python "I told them we already got one!". No official word on patch. Still up at 3.30am, bloke pops up with link to patch. Grab patch and install. Hurri bombs - check. 50 cal changed - check. Spit IX nice - check. Go to bed fully expecting everyone to be enjoying the patch when I awake on Tuesday morning.

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ak-71
06-15-2004, 05:58 PM
Nice b@@bs, Kanno!

hughlb2
06-15-2004, 06:28 PM
thanks for the official notificationhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, but I agree with what other people are saying, it would have been nice to be notified a little earlier. I havn't downloaded the leaked copy because I was so paranoid that it was leaked. Downloading from this site is the only way I know its official. However, I am sure that if I wasn't so paranoid, I would have given in over the last 24 hours. An earlier notification may have stopped many others from getting the leak.

dmpr
06-15-2004, 06:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
every single version of every single patch for every single online game has always been leaked.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then my hats off to the 195th for proving you wrong with the Lomac 1.02 patch. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Copperhead310th
06-15-2004, 07:37 PM
wow when did all this happen?

I've said it before IMO Oleg needs a whole new crop of beta testers. half of these guys don't even catch 50% of the bugs that we find after a relase. While they do do thier best...& for the most part do do a fair job of it....there is just soem things that SHOULD NOT be missed that there really is no excuse for. (for example the static B-17's hanging 3 feet in the air above the spot where you place them.)
The repetative beta leakage is of it's self more than enough to warrent firing all the current beta testers & getting a whole new bunch of guys that will not only read the non-disclosure agreement but adhear to it. cause i don't thing these guys ever read it.
but that is just my opinion.

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wayno7777
06-15-2004, 08:18 PM
Well, at least I know now. I usually d/l from mirror sites cause my d/l manager works better with them. Having 56k, I need to be able to pause and resume. That being said, the site I was d/ling from went down when I had 61% done, so no loss for me. In fact it went down before word was out that it wasn't official, bump Huxley_S

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Lt.Davis
06-15-2004, 09:16 PM
I'll wait. Anyway if install the 'leak' patch i can't go online. So i'll wait.

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Translated:
"Let the whites of your bones, but do not show the whites of your eyes"

Bearcat99
06-15-2004, 09:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by plumps_:
WTH are some of you talking about 'leaked beta' and beta testers? The loading screen doesn't say 'beta' so it has nothing to do with 'beta' anything. Obviously it was meant to be official when it left 1C but they found an issue or wanted to add something afterwards (bugfix? anti-cheat measure? new aircraft?) and stopped the official release. No reason to get excited.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not neccessarily... I think if they wanted it to be released they would have released it. Anything before the official release... is... a BETA.

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Guinnessmonkey
06-15-2004, 10:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
wow when did all this happen?

I've said it before IMO Oleg needs a whole new crop of beta testers. half of these guys don't even catch 50% of the bugs that we find after a relase. While they do do thier best...& for the most part do do a fair job of it....there is just soem things that SHOULD NOT be missed that there really is no excuse for. (for example the static B-17's hanging 3 feet in the air above the spot where you place them.)
The repetative beta leakage is of it's self more than enough to warrent firing all the current beta testers & getting a whole new bunch of guys that will not only read the non-disclosure agreement but adhear to it. cause i don't thing these guys ever read it.
but that is just my opinion.

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Having beta tested a lot of games (though not any Ubi games) I just wanted to say: Back off the betas.

I've seen lots of times where a leak happens (often from a publisher or some other screwup) and the forum explodes with blame for the betas. Similarly I've seen the repeating chorus of "HOW COULD THEY MISS THIS BUG!". Sometimes the betas DIDN'T miss the bug. Sometimes they knew about it, reported to the developers, but the developers were too crunched for time or didn't think of it as a priority bug (or just forgot to get around to fixing it) and it was moved to the "we'll deal with it for the next patch" column.

Every developer has a different form of betatesting, but if IL-2 FB beta is anything like other betas in various niche markets then it's made up of a core of dedicated, hardworking guys who bust their *** for free, just out of love of the game. They, just as much as everyone else (if not more) want their game to be the perfect game, the one they always wanted. Do betas sometimes miss bugs? Of course. Guess what: 20,000 guys can find a bug much quicker than 300 (if the number of real, active betas is anywhere near that high). Games as big as IL-2 (or any other flight-sim or strategy game) offer a myriad of possibilities... Sometimes it's impossible to test them all. That's why games have bug forums.

Frankly, if the Ubi NDA is anything like other NDA's I've seen then the chance of a beta leaking the patch is small.... They can get hit pretty hard. This stuff passes through a lot of hands on the way out the door... No reason for a beta to leak it: it can get him sued, hold up the patch, and at no benefit to himself whatsoever.

If you think the betas have failed Il-2, fine. Stop playing it. If, on the other hand, you think it is an amazing flight sim, best of it's kind EVER, then give the beta's (and mods) a sliver of the credit, say thank you, and go back to playing the game.

Just my 2 cents.

Popey109
06-15-2004, 10:58 PM
This is a BETA, so why dont we stop pointing fingers and open a thread to report our findings? I'm not happy about how it come about, but why waste a chance too help out! so what do you think?...about the Beta 2.2 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif AI are the best I've seen, you can sneak up on em! and when hit they break for home. I havent been betwean wingy and target yet, so I cant say weather they hold fire? .50's are leathel but you've gota be a good shot I never flew the spit much before so others need to report what they find

WOLFMondo
06-16-2004, 03:42 AM
I work in software testing in one of the largest software testing houses in Europe with 5 years experiance of test planning and execution so I really do know my stuff, statements pertaining to if a splash or load screen doesn't have BETA written on it so it must be a gold or final is pure ignorance.

Software devs put BETA on a splash or load screen when they show software to a client or end user and want to make it clear that its not the final/gold release. If the release is for internal use/testing its not usual practice to slap BETA on the software since all the people working on it know its a beta and its not intended for client/end user viewing. Its a an alpha, beta or final when the project manager decides the product has met its targets to move to the next phase.

Where games are concerned, some companies put BETA on the open beta to make the testers feel all important (dunno why since these massive corps get people to work for them for free lol). It may also be the case theres more than one beta, you'll often see closed interal work in progress versions of software and a open/public beta test version of the software as well since many companies find and fix bugs in real time found with internal testing or replicating beta testers bugs but want a version out there for there testers to look at. Its very possible this is a leaked internal beta.

If 1C/Ubi say its a beta, its a beta, until they say its the final version, its a beta.

Saying all that, its Ubi, who would have trouble organising a piss up in a brewery.

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Nanuk66
06-16-2004, 04:29 AM
I never really saw wot the rush was all about anyway.

Its not like this patch was gonna be hugely exciting anyway,not saying the regular updates are most welcome, but some of you gamers need to take a breather.

If there was going to be new maps or new flyable aircraft or something REALLY special in the patch i could understand why people would want to d/l as soon as possible.

I think some of you people go mental when a new patch is due and cant wait to d/l it so that you can be the big man on the boards with 'yarns' about how the .50 's (or wotever) are better now etc.

Get a Grip.
Learn to chill.
Wait for the official word.

Most 'risk' fecking up ur comp so u can be the first out of ur mates/squad/wotever to have the patch!?!?

Life...Get....A....Plez.

PE_Tigar
06-16-2004, 06:13 AM
I'm sorry but I can't help noticing that some people here are soft in the head:

1) The 2.02 patch that is "leaked" is apparently the same one that was published in Russia. Maddox Games has *never* published a different patch in Russia and the rest of the world. No leaked Il-2/FB/AEP betas I have come across came *without* BETA writen on the splash screen. No "leaked" beta has been "leaked" as a self-extracting package, but rather as a .zip file. And finally, Ubi never posted any warningsa about "leaked" betas. Therefore, 2.02 that is "leaked" is most probably final, or there is some much bigger unimaginable cockup in the patch. Think about that before posting brainfarts.

2) Official Il2 Sturmovik website is talking about "2.2" patch when the actual thing is called 2.02. Do Ubi guys managing this product really know what they're talking about? I guess no...

3) Why are we getting only vague and sinister warnings from this here website instead of simple answers to simple questions:

-why was the patch released in Russia last Friday still not released in the rest of the world?

-does the version available for download differ in any way from the "official" 2.02 and how exactly?

-what are the possible "damages" that we can suffer from installing it?

-when will the 2.02 patch be "officially" available and why the delay between Russian and rest-of-the-world release?

Jenny_B
06-16-2004, 06:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG5_Emil:
And Ubi/C1 would make a patch, beta or not which would compromise your security for what reason?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's obvious, of course: You download a program without knowing who could have modified it after it leaked.

--Jenny

Huxley_S
06-16-2004, 06:32 AM
The scare-mongering that is going on here is ludicrous. I've scanned the file with anti-virus software and there is no virus issue there.

The very worst that can happen is that you might have to reinstall FB/AEP (which a lot of people do everytime a patch comes out anyway).

The most likely scenario is that when the official patch comes out you just unzip it over the existing one. End of story.

All you people who are too terrified to install the patch are entitled to your opinion. Meanwhile I'm flying the BoE RAF campaign in something that doesn't fly like a brick http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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SeaFireLIV
06-16-2004, 06:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huxley_S:

All you people who are too terrified to install the patch are entitled to your opinion. Meanwhile I'm flying the BoE RAF campaign in something that doesn't fly like a brick http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And then *poof*, why won`t Fb start? is my PC broken? *takes it to pieces* still can`t find prblem! *Runs to Computer repair store* pays 200 to get it fixed..* still not working - HELP!!

"Oh BUGGER, FB`s Unofficial Patch timebombed!"

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WOLFMondo
06-16-2004, 06:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PE_Tigar:
-what are the possible "damages" that we can suffer from installing it?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

None probably, there just covering themselves.

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Franzen
06-16-2004, 06:56 AM
Well, I downloaded and installed it before I even knew it was a leak. I'm not about to waste my time removing it. When the official one comes out I'll just install it over the first. If there were a problem it wouldn't matter. I've got years of experience fixing the problems created by Mr.Gates anyway. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Fritz Franzen

Huxley_S
06-16-2004, 06:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And then *poof*, why won`t Fb start, is my PC broken? *takes it to pieces* still can`t find prblem, *Runs to Computer repair store* pays 200 to get it fixed... *still not working*
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seafire, I'm not a hacker or a games programmer but I've got a degree in computing and work as an IT consultant. I think I have a good understanding of this game and the lengths that the developers go to ensure people can't tamper with their code.

I would bet my mortgage that the scenario you describe will not happen.

So, with 'nuff respect, don't install it if you don't want to but enough with the melodrama already! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Huxley_S
06-16-2004, 07:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I've got years of experience fixing the problems created by Mr.Gates anyway.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nuff said! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Jenny_B
06-16-2004, 07:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huxley_S:
I've scanned the file with anti-virus software and there is no virus issue there.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are indeed better ways to open backdoors or cause damage than to use a known virus. First, make a rough analysis using for example IDA from Datarescue and a debugger like SoftICE (or even the old Borland TDB). That should give you an idea of where to insert your own code snippet. If you don't want to write it in assembly language, write some C code (C++ is not suited to this sort of thing) and tell your compiler to output assembly source. After a few tweaks it should fit snugly in whatever spot you've found for it.

The virus scanner won't have a clue, so it's not the appropriate tool for protection in this case. Digital file signatures (pgp sigs) are.

Anyway, the only potential gain from taking the risk with a patch that has passed through unknown hands, is to get it a few days earlier, so why bother? But then again, this is a place with 99.9% men, and boys will be boys so I shouldn't be surprised...

--Jenny

SeaFireLIV
06-16-2004, 07:11 AM
Well, this is one MAN who`s patient enough to wait!

Huxley_S
06-16-2004, 07:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>That should give you an idea of where to insert your own code snippet. If you don't want to write it in assembly language, write some C code (C++ is not suited to this sort of thing) and tell your compiler to output assembly source. After a few tweaks it should fit snugly in whatever spot you've found for it.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is common knowledge that you can't modify FB code without breaking it. This is the reason why there is no cheating, no X-Wings flying over Normandy and why no third party are able to add aircraft or maps without 1C's say so. Since the patch has only been in circulation for a short time, it would take some uber hacker to have done what you suggest.

Like I say, don't install it if you don't want to, but this scare-mongering is unjustified.

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Clots
06-16-2004, 07:36 AM
I think the best way to end all this chatter would be for UBI to inform us When they plan to issue the patch instead of just warning us that the other patch is a leak and giving us no idea when the real one is due. It's the fact that nobody has a clue what the hell is happening that get's to me.
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TacticalYak3
06-16-2004, 08:02 AM
What a silly bunch of rogues we remain here in the IL-2 community, eh? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

It would appear they are probably not real happy about whoever it was releasing the patch early. I wouldn't be surprise if they are actually adding something, anything, to it as we rant away to validate these odd warnings.

As I mentioned over at our squad forum, I think these patch delays are really Oleg's way of screening for new German virtual pilots, so come on you impatient Russian turnfighters - a day or two (but today would be nice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) isn't going kill anyone. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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buz13
06-16-2004, 08:21 AM
Well all I have to say is.......oh excuse me I have to take a leak.

Hawgdog
06-16-2004, 09:17 AM
I installed it and my hair is falling out.
I can now however climb to over 30K in the I-16 and it now has gunpods.
Thanks Oleg- my hair was falling out anyhow reading the scary posts http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
So, where'd YOU get the patch?

Hawgdog
06-16-2004, 09:20 AM
I did just notice the asshattery and gheyallity has increased over 100 meters in the 109Mistflugzeug. Thanks for adding this odd variant Oleg!

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p-39driver
06-16-2004, 11:51 AM
Thank you!
Anyone with any common sence would know not to download "leaked","bootleg",or otherwise non-
official ****.

Besides,good things come to them that waits!

I need a patch for my bike tire...
anyone got one?

39
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thunak:
Please note that the 2.2 patch currently available on certain sites is not the official version. Ubisoft will not be held responsible for any damage caused to you computers or data.

If you wish to go ahead and install this "leak", you do so at your own risk. Make sure to back-up your folders.

We strongly recommend you wait for the official version to be released.

T<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DuxCorvan
06-16-2004, 12:41 PM
Bah, I didn't download because I don't want to mess with undercover stuff provided by crappy servers.

God knows what 1C has in mind, so I'll wait a little longer, I've lived without it, and I can survive a little longer.

But those 'creepy tales' about timebombing patches and mystery hands in the dark are more suited for Halloween. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

O come on, UBI. I also want bombs in my Hurri and pods in my 'Mosca'! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

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woofiedog
06-16-2004, 01:02 PM
I know...I know... But Eve had this Shiny Apple And... I bit it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
One thing about the Bootleg is... the enemy vehicals no longer sit a look at a Bombed out Bridge... they turn around and start moving again! Wow! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
Also they don't get hung up on Blasted vehicals on the Roads. Mint! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Just so Yah know... for those who care... the Hurricane with Bomb's is a P-sser!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif WWHHHOOO_wwwweeee!!!!!!!!
I'm counting Down the Minutes on my Timebomb though.
SeafireLIV I think you have allways given Good advice... but it was a bit Tempting this time.
And the Apple was a Golden Apple. Ummm UUmmm... For now anyway.

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Tvrdi
06-16-2004, 01:53 PM
PE_Tigar is right..I agree with him...and I could say another thing not mentioned here...this patch "leaked" on purpose hehe (yes u heard right)...so they can fix bugs before off. release..so they could read our posts about wrong things (or not fixed things) and fix that..I love u UBI! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif

Huxley_S
06-16-2004, 02:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>1) The 2.02 patch that is "leaked" is apparently the same one that was published in Russia. Maddox Games has *never* published a different patch in Russia and the rest of the world.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, the 2.02 patch has not been published in Russia.

http://games.1c.ru/il2_aces/?type=files

And they seem to be just as confused about it as we are.

http://server.vesti.ee/fps/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=752

So the origins of this patch are unknown... unless anyone is prepared to enlighten us?

All I can say is that I have been through the patch and examined the files to double check for anything strange and there isn't anything obvious.

Chances of your computer exploding are non-existant but the origin of the leaked patch remains an enigma.

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Aimosika
06-16-2004, 03:21 PM
http://server.vesti.ee/fps/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=752

What the hell, this is Estonian server page, not russian. Why there is russian text anyway... I believe Estonian people has even more hatriot against russian than we Finns...

slarsson
06-16-2004, 04:28 PM
BEWARE!!!

I installed it and my cat was sick.....

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SeaFireLIV
06-16-2004, 05:05 PM
This whole thing gets weirder and wierder. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

ImpStarDuece
06-16-2004, 07:13 PM
yeah. I'm wierded out by it and i haven't even got 2.01 yet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Dean_Clean
06-16-2004, 08:24 PM
My (unrealistic) hope is that the submitted G.55, Mc.202 & Mc.205 from the ClubMed guys were so close to completion that the release of the official patch is waiting on them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I know that is 100% NOOB optimism on my part, but a guy can dream.

BigDukeSixx
06-16-2004, 11:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thunak:
Please note that the 2.2 patch currently available on certain sites is not the official version. Ubisoft will not be held responsible for any damage caused to you computers or data.

If you wish to go ahead and install this "leak", you do so at your own risk. Make sure to back-up your folders.

We strongly recommend you wait for the official version to be released.

T<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought we used all the patches 'at our own risk'?

niknil
06-17-2004, 06:02 AM
Well, it's all bliming great, 'innit: The links to the patch seem to disappear or become nonworking and more servers switch to the patch, so those of us stuck with no info whereas to find the patch are locked out of a number of servers.

DuxCorvan
06-17-2004, 06:42 AM
MMmm, Jippo's Ju 88?

Club Med Italian planes?

Hawk 75 -intended to be in 2.01 but then again not?

B-25?

Much ado about nothing? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Hawgdog
06-17-2004, 07:55 AM
As if they have enough time to put time bombs into beta patches cause they obviously can NOT trust those who they hoped would keep it to themselves.

Just use system restore to point prior to the patch,eh?

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NetDaemon
06-17-2004, 08:08 AM
Well, I downloaded and installed the leaked patch yesterday and I don't know what's all the fuss about it, it's really nothing to write home about.

Just a couple DM and FM tweaks (Spit IX mainly), a new Dgen and Ngen (but haven't found the difference yet) and a bunch of other files, but very few compared to earlier patches, the whole thing fits in a 20Mb zip file!

Oh, and the new ordinance for the Hurri and I-16 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

I downloaded it from BaldieJr's www.fighterjerks.com (http://www.fighterjerks.com)(tm) server;
and even though he's a ***** http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif, I think I can trust the stuff he publishes in his website http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Of course, I copied my entire FB folder to somewhere else prior to patch installation (unzipping http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif), a standard procedure that I always do prior to any UBI patch install (official or not http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) so I have a backup in case something gets messed up bad.

So, no viruses, no trojan horse worms, no falling sky, no global meltdown (yet), no terrorists crashing airliners on my PC, no etc... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

And now I'm a happy hurri bomber http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif



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Huxley_S
06-17-2004, 08:47 AM
I've decided to remove the leaked patch and go back to 2.01

Firstly, need to play online with me squad.

Secondly, we fly P39s and with this new .50 cal change we are all going to die if we use this patch.

I've got a simple warmup mission in QMB that I like to fly. Eight average AI 109G2s vs seven average AI P39N1s + average me.

Before the patch I was racking up at least one kill every time I played it, often two and sometimes three.

After installing the patch I'm using all my ammo and getting one or no kills in the mission. I've played it about 20 times since the patch came out and I have yet to get two or more kills. Learn to aim I hear you say? But it isn't just me. The G2s are wiping the floor with the P39s sometimes leaving me alone with four or five G2s (and no ammo!).

Something not right. Bye bye patch, nice knowing ya.

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Huxley_S
06-17-2004, 09:07 AM
Oh no... I just realised that Gibbage has the following as his signiture:

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

So maybe... the P39 is supposed to be this useless. The 2.01 version is quite good, maybe now it is "historically accurate"... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

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hughlb2
06-17-2004, 09:22 AM
"need to play online with me squad...we fly P39s" - Huxley_S

I dont play online so I dont really know how it all works, but why did your squad choose p39's? Do you mostly dogfight online? p39 seems good against bombers and obviously ground targets but not a very good dogfighter I dont thinkhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Huxley_S
06-17-2004, 09:25 AM
Historical accuracy old chap. At the current time in the war we are re-enacting (Stalingrad, August 1942) the 69th GIAP were flying Cobras.

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hughlb2
06-17-2004, 09:49 AM
"Historical accuracy old chap. At the current time in the war we are re-enacting (Stalingrad, August 1942) the 69th GIAP were flying Cobras." - Huxley_S

Thanks for the enlightenment, I thought it might be something like this. Good to know there is this level of historical accuracy online and not just all arcade. Maybe I'll get into some online play, is a 512/128 ADSL connection fast enough?, it seems alright in, dare I say, UT2004http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

PE_Tigar
06-17-2004, 10:02 AM
@Huxley--you're right, not published in Russia, my apologies. However, on Russian forums they say that the patch is done and that 1C is waiting for Ubi to do that voodoo they don't do so well before they can release it to the masses in Russia. So the mistery continues. BTW, I've tried flying Spit IXe with the patch and I don't seem to need Hispanos to shoot down planes in it now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. It's like "work the Bfs with the Brownings, than if you want them to die in a spectacular way use Hispanos" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. .50 cals are like scalpel now, if you have good aim you can chop off wings on 300 meters no problem. I like it very much http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

II_JG1Hartmann
06-17-2004, 10:15 AM
PLANE TYPE: Single seated fighter-bomber (P-39D) Designed to utilize the fire power of the T9 37 mm cannon, the Bell XP-39 was ordered by USAAC in 1937. After some tests made on the 12 pre-series YP-39 , the plane was ordered in 80 exemplars ( P-39C and P-39D ). In 1941 the Great Britain received some P-39D that were utilized against the Luftwaffe. But the plane was inadequate to fight against German fighters , due to poor performances at high altitudes, and were substituted by "Spitfires". The plane,disliked by many American pilots and utilized in USA as a training plane, was successfully utilized by the Russians ( that received 4773 planes because of the contract "Hire and Lend" )and appreciated for its armor and firepower. In December 1942 flew the XP-63, one of the improvements of the plane, that entered in production in 1943 as the P-63 "Kingcobra". The majority of the production (2400 planes) was given to USSR.
LENGTH: 9,19 m ; 30,23 Ft
WINGSPAN: 10,36 m ; 34,08 Ft
WING AREA: 19,79 m2 ; 23,67 Sq. Yds
POWERPLANT: 1 Allison V-1710-35 12 cylinder ( 1150 CV)
WEAPONS: 6 7,62 mm machine-guns, 1 37 mm cannon ; 1 227 kg bomb
MAX LOADED WEIGHT: 3720 Kg ; 8212 Lbs
TOP SPEED: 592 Km/h ; 368 MPH
CEILING: 9785 m ; 32188 Ft
RANGE: 1290 Km ; 802 Mi


The P39 was an inferiour AC was almost the death of every pilot that flew them. The Cobra in the Pacific theater were so bad I read many accounts of where pilots refused to even take off in them. The plane carried on as a ground attack AC and was superiour in that roll. The P39 in IL2 is a freakin joke. it flies like an energy fighter and it shuld be just the opposite. As the quote I posted above states it was so bad that the majority of them were given to the USSR where the Russians used it as a ground attack AC as well. I hate the P39 because it is totally modeled wrong and maybe one day it will be fixed but I doubt it. Non of the Russian AC in this game are dogs. I guess part of the joys or a Russian made sim.

Huxley_S
06-17-2004, 11:27 AM
All right, all right... don't rub it in. That's my favourite plane you're rubbishing!

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II_JG1Hartmann
06-17-2004, 03:07 PM
I think the cobra is great as well. The thing is it had no super charger and was very heavy. So it couldnt turn and burn and as for e-fighting that also was out. They ahd to fight it like they did the P40. Zoom in and fire then run like hell. Reposition themselves by climbing up and awy for a few miles then turn and try it again. If the enemy had superiour alt is is all over. The P40 and the P39 for that matter zoom around like P80's and I have never seen anyone in any of those two types try to extend away and regroup, htey jsut keep pressing the attack and always seem to hang in there jsut fine.

Copperhead310th
06-17-2004, 06:14 PM
It's called lots of practice. 3 yrs ago when ii started in this sim the P-39 was the ONLY us ac in the game. so i spent a whole year flying the p-39. After a while ou trnd to get good at it.
& we did it with a major FM/DM disadvantage.
At one point the fw 190A-9 was so ridculously out there it took the p-51 to bring it in check & leval the field. the Luft-waffles in this sim have always had the advantage. no longer.
basically it all comes down to geting in lots of stick time in them & learning how to push them to the egde with out going over it. also helps to know certin things about your enemy.
& what their ac can & cant do.

Example: Bf-109's had a problem with tight left hand climbing turns. that's a historical fact & one the US & RAF pilots exploited quite often when the wound up with a Messer on thier 6.
it's a gaurenteed excape it you keep your speed up & keep turning left & climbing.

this is also true for AEP. so know your plane.
know your enemy. know thier equipment & it's limitations. (also a correct flight model helps as well.)

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RAF74_Buzzsaw
06-17-2004, 08:12 PM
Salute

There are a lot of myths about the P-39 which are not proven correct by facts.

For example, the myth that it was a 'dog'.

The P-39 did not do well in the South Pacific, where it was matched up against the Zero , primarily because the Zero could do most of the things the P-39 could do a little, or a lot better. Plus of course, most of the P-39's used in the Pacific theater were either P-39D's or P-400's, which were definitely inferior in performance to the P-39N and Q we see in IL-2.

On the other hand, on the Eastern Front, versus the German aircraft, the P-39 had some definite advantages.

Just for your information, here is the British test which Hartman referred to. It is not nearly as uncomplimentary as you might expect, especially since the plane is a P-400, which again, is inferior to an N or Q. The main issue for the British was that they felt overall it was inferior to the Spitfire V, so there was no point in switching to it.

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Test:

The Air Fighting Development Unit received a British Airacobra I on July 30. They subjected it to tests and completed their report on September 22. They found the aircraft to be pleasant to fly and easy to takeoff and land. Controls were well balanced and although heavier than those of the Spitfire at normal speeds, did not increase appreciably in weight at high speeds as they did in the Spitfire. It was difficult to hold the aircraft in a dive at high speeds unless the aircraft was trimmed nose-heavy. During a turn, the Airacobra would give ample warning of a high-speed stall by severe vibration of the whole airframe. Handling in formation and formation attacks was good, although deceleration was poor because of the plane's aerodynamic cleanliness. Take-offs and landings in close formation were not considered safe, since there was considerable difficulty in bringing the aircraft back to its original path after a swing.
The Airacobra I was powered by an Allison V-1710-E4 twelve-cylinder V in-line engine rated at 1150 hp for takeoff. Weights were 5462 pounds empty and 7845 pounds normal gross. Maximum speeds were 326 mph at 6000 feet, 343 mph at 10,000 feet, 355 mph at 13, 000 feet, 341 mph at 20,000 feet. Initial climb rate was 2040 feet per minute. With an internal fuel capacity of 100 Imp gal the Airacobra had an endurance of 1 hour 20 minutes at maximum continuous cruising speed at 6000 feet, 1 hour 5 minutes at 12,000 feet, and 1 hour 35 minutes at 20,000 feet. The true airspeeds at these altitudes were 287 mph, 327 mph, and 308 mph, respectively. Under most economical cruise conditions, the endurance increased to 3 hours 20 minutes, the relevant speeds being 183 mph at 6000 feet, 217 mph at 12,000 feet, and 215 mph at 20,000 feet. Under maximum continuous climb conditions, it took 15 minutes to reach 20,000 feet. The operational ceiling was considered to be about 24,000 feet, although there was a marked decrease in performance above 20,000 feet. At the Airacobra's rated altitude of 13,000 feet, it was 18 mph faster than the Spitfire VB. However, the speed fell off rapidly above that height, and the two planes were almost exactly matched at 15,000 feet. At 20,000 feet, the Spitfire VB was 35 mph faster and at 24,000 feet it was 55 mph faster. The ground run of the Airacobra during takeoff was 2250 feet, as compared with 1470 feet for the Hurricane II and 1590 feet for the Spitfire V.
The AFDU also did some comparative dog-fighting tests with the Airacobra against a Spitfire VB and a captured Messerschmitt BF 109E. The Airacobra and the Bf 109E carried out mock dog-fighting at 6000 feet and 15,000 feet. The Bf 109E had a height advantage of 1000 feet in each case. The Bf 109, using the normal German fighter tactics of diving and zooming, could usually only get in a fleeting shot. The Bf 109 could not compete with the Airacobra in a turn, and if the Bf 109 were behind the Airacobra at the start, the latter could usually shake him off and get in a burst before two complete turns were completed. If the Bf 109 were to dive on the Airacobra from above and continue the dive down to ground level after a short burst of fire, it was found that the Airacobra could follow and catch up to the Bf 109 after a dive of over 4000 feet. When fighting the Bf 109E below 20,000 feet, the Airacobra was superior on the same level and in a dive.
A similar trial was carried out against a Spitfire V. Although the Airacobra was faster than the Spitfire up to 15,000 feet, it was outclimbed and out-turned by the Spitfire. Unless it had a height advantage, the Airacobra could not compete with the Spitfire. If on the same level or below, at heights up to about 15,000 feet, the Airacobra would have to rely on its superior level and diving speeds and its ability to take negative "G" without the engine cutting out. Above 15,000 feet, the Airacobra lost its advantage in level speed.

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SeaFireLIV
06-18-2004, 02:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
this is also true for AEP. so know your plane.
know your enemy. know thier equipment & it's limitations.
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sapper78
06-18-2004, 03:15 AM
S!
I´m going to wait until the patch is official, of course, but..... i´m just dying to know what that new patch offers!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif any new flyable planes? (please god, let it be b-25!)
and when it will be released?

hughlb2
06-18-2004, 04:15 AM
"´m going to wait until the patch is official, of course, but..... i´m just dying to know what that new patch offers!! any new flyable planes? (please god, let it be b-25!)
and when it will be released?" - sapper78


ahh, the eternal question (of this weekhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif).
Firstly, Welcome to the forums sapper.
Secondly, to answer your question, as far as I know the patch will contain no new aircraft.
Basically its a bug fix, no new planes or maps. Heres the list of fixes I can remember -

Spitfire overheating problem fixed

Spitfire mkIX flight model fixed (turns betterhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

.50 cal machine guns fixed (less dispersion)

Hurri Bomber implimented

FW-190 flight model tweak. (apparently better energy retention)

Fixed weapon hardpoints on B-25?

These are the points that I can remember that have been fixed according to people who have tried the patch beta. Keep in mind that this nice little delayhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif we're having is no doubt meaning more is being put into the patch, although I doubt that means new aircraft, looks like you'll probably have to wait for the next patch for that flyable B-25http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

woofiedog
06-18-2004, 06:42 AM
RAF74BuzzsawXO... Good Posting!
There are a number of reasons why the Army Air Corp do not use the P-39 in greater numbers... but it was used in Panama Canal Area, Pacific Islands, Africa, Italy, Iceland, State Side and Alaska by the Army Air Corp.
What more can you say. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

bodaw
06-18-2004, 08:44 AM
Howdy Copperhead310th,

[Quote}Example: Bf-109's had a problem with tight left hand climbing turns. that's a historical fact & one the US & RAF pilots exploited quite often when the wound up with a Messer on thier 6.
it's a gaurenteed excape it you keep your speed up & keep turning left & climbing.

[Quote]

I was told that one of the main strength's of the Bf109 was the spiral climb to the left. Most of the VVS aircrafts turn better to the right and this is due to the direction the propeller turns.

Somebody with the uber experience please clarify this for me, I'm still learning and don't want to be steered to the wrong direction.

~S!~
bodaw

Aimosika
06-18-2004, 11:03 PM
I personnally asked Oleg about the Brewster overheat bug 3 weeks ago and he replied "It will be fixed in a patch which will be released in 2-3 weeks". So maybe it is fixed in that leaked patch and I am desperate to try it since it is the most important plane in this sim. As you know this sim is about war between Finns and Russians and ofcource our relative nation Hungary... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Prof.Wizard
06-19-2004, 07:12 AM
OK, be frank about it... Should I expect scenes like this with the new .50 calibers and Spitfires? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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Copperhead310th
06-20-2004, 01:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bodaw:
Howdy Copperhead310th,

[Quote}Example: Bf-109's had a problem with tight left hand climbing turns. that's a historical fact & one the US & RAF pilots exploited quite often when the wound up with a Messer on thier 6.
it's a gaurenteed excape it you keep your speed up & keep turning left & climbing.

[Quote]

I was told that one of the main strength's of the Bf109 was the spiral climb to the left. Most of the VVS aircrafts turn better to the right and this is due to the direction the propeller turns.

Somebody with the uber experience please clarify this for me, I'm still learning and don't want to be steered to the wrong direction.

~S!~
bodaw<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I got that from an interview with Kit Carson.
not sure where but it was posted on here.

Also read that Robert Johnson said pretty much the same thing. & those are 2 gentalmen i wouldn't argue with in anything rtegarding wwII avaiation.

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Copperhead310th
06-20-2004, 01:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
OK, be frank about it... Should I expect scenes like this with the new .50 calibers and Spitfires? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://hoarmurath.free.fr/images/thefarcebewithyou.jpg

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Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gifHell why not luftboy we been expereinaceing the same damn thing, only in reverse for 3 years. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

you have seen the Bf-109Z Ubern00b plane that barely got of the drawing baord in AEP right?
if anything in this sim is of the Starwars varity it's the 109Z.

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Prof.Wizard
06-20-2004, 02:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
you have seen the Bf-109Z Ubern00b plane that barely got of the drawing baord in AEP right?
if anything in this sim is of the Starwars varity it's the 109Z<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't whine cause I can't hear you...

The Bf109Z is not allowed on most servers so it's not a problem, on the other hand P38, P47, P51 are omnipresent.

I hope you can see the difference for Luftwaffe pilots... trying to beat an X-Wing is difficult. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

PS. I fly Allied aircrafts in my squad. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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StG77_Fritz_X
06-20-2004, 09:11 AM
Are we talking CFS or am I browsing the wrong forum???

LStarosta
06-20-2004, 03:31 PM
Please stop whining about "newb planes". Just because you have trouble shooting down P51's, P47's and P38's is not the planes' fault. Stop calling these things newb planes for Christ's sake. Learn to deal with them, exploit their disadvantages and quit WHINING. I've noticed that when most people whine about an opponent's aircraft it's not an aircraft issue, it's their own problem.

Menthol_moose
06-20-2004, 05:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
OK, be frank about it... Should I expect scenes like this with the new .50 calibers and Spitfires? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The .50 is as accurate as now as any other machinegun in the game. If the pilot is good, yes they will be able to hit your vital parts alot easier.

The p38 and the two gun aircraft such as the spitfire and P63's have become alot more effective.

PE_Tigar
06-21-2004, 08:09 AM
Back to the point--where's the patch? Ubi guys, did all of you just roll over and die after posting panicky "leaked patch warning"? Any explanation? When's the patch going to be available?

LStarosta
06-21-2004, 08:49 AM
I think they're still donning their radiation suits and gas masks ask a precaution . . .

BOA_Crash
06-21-2004, 11:14 AM
I dont even know why you guys ask do you expect an answer. They have never once given any info in the past so why start now. Im sure they are waiting for more info from the Beta or should I say "leaked" patch. Also as someone else stated im sure they are now making sure they add something to the final before release so they can give reason why those who downloaded shouldnt have. Maybe if info was shared from UBI on thier plans we wouldnt have so many in here as angry as they are. UBI maddox 1c are all great and appreciate all they and others do just wish UBI could learn to communicate with its customers to prevent such agression towards good peopel and product. S!

Guinnessmonkey
06-21-2004, 01:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BOA_Crash:
I dont even know why you guys ask do you expect an answer. They have never once given any info in the past so why start now. Im sure they are waiting for more info from the Beta or should I say "leaked" patch. Also as someone else stated im sure they are now making sure they add something to the final before release so they can give reason why those who downloaded shouldnt have. Maybe if info was shared from UBI on thier plans we wouldnt have so many in here as angry as they are. UBI maddox 1c are all great and appreciate all they and others do just wish UBI could learn to communicate with its customers to prevent such agression towards good peopel and product. S!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Though, frankly, to play devil's advocate, they might have been better off never giving us ANYTHING. I don't think folks would be nearly as peeved as they are if UBI/admins/etc hadn't posted that the patch would be out last monday. Sometimes it's best to keep a party line of "It'll be out when it's out." Some folks will still whine, but a patch becomes a welcome surprise in that situation. Instead I (and I'm sure many like me) am putting off starting a new campaign because of the new patch coming out any day now.... I would have been happily flying for the last week and a half if it hadn't been for the original announcement.... Even the leak wouldn't have been a big deal if we hadn't been told the patch was due last week. Instead all we would know is that a patch is in the works, with various excited posters posting what has already been fixed in the leaked patch and speculating what else might be added. The announcement, however, makes us treat the patch with scepticism and impatience: Will it really have anything beyond what's in the leaked patch? What's with the holdup? Etc, etc.

Either way, you gotta pick one of two extremes when running an official forum: either give daily updates on progress (stickied) or else just have everyone stick with "It'll be out when it's out". In betas I've been in even commenting on the progress of the beta was an NDA violation for that precise reason: half-assed comments without official followup can lead to a forum revolt.

BozoMaddog
06-21-2004, 07:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ******ssmonkey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BOA_Crash:
I dont even know why you guys ask do you expect an answer. They have never once given any info in the past so why start now. Im sure they are waiting for more info from the Beta or should I say "leaked" patch. Also as someone else stated im sure they are now making sure they add something to the final before release so they can give reason why those who downloaded shouldnt have. Maybe if info was shared from UBI on thier plans we wouldnt have so many in here as angry as they are. UBI maddox 1c are all great and appreciate all they and others do just wish UBI could learn to communicate with its customers to prevent such agression towards good peopel and product. S!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Though, frankly, to play devil's advocate, they might have been better off never giving us ANYTHING. I don't think folks would be nearly as peeved as they are if UBI/admins/etc hadn't posted that the patch would be out last monday. Sometimes it's best to keep a party line of "It'll be out when it's out." Some folks will still whine, but a patch becomes a welcome surprise in that situation. Instead I (and I'm sure many like me) am putting off starting a new campaign because of the new patch coming out any day now.... I would have been happily flying for the last week and a half if it hadn't been for the original announcement.... Even the leak wouldn't have been a big deal if we hadn't been told the patch was due last week. Instead all we would know is that a patch is in the works, with various excited posters posting what has already been fixed in the leaked patch and speculating what else might be added. The announcement, however, makes us treat the patch with scepticism and impatience: Will it really have anything beyond what's in the leaked patch? What's with the holdup? Etc, etc.

Either way, you gotta pick one of two extremes when running an official forum: either give daily updates on progress (stickied) or else just have everyone stick with "It'll be out when it's out". In betas I've been in even commenting on the progress of the beta was an NDA violation for that precise reason: half-assed comments without official followup can lead to a forum revolt.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> BUMP

BozoMaddog
06-21-2004, 07:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BozoMaddog:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ******ssmonkey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BOA_Crash:
I dont even know why you guys ask do you expect an answer. They have never once given any info in the past so why start now. Im sure they are waiting for more info from the Beta or should I say "leaked" patch. Also as someone else stated im sure they are now making sure they add something to the final before release so they can give reason why those who downloaded shouldnt have. Maybe if info was shared from UBI on thier plans we wouldnt have so many in here as angry as they are. UBI maddox 1c are all great and appreciate all they and others do just wish UBI could learn to communicate with its customers to prevent such agression towards good peopel and product. S!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Though, frankly, to play devil's advocate, they might have been better off never giving us ANYTHING. I don't think folks would be nearly as peeved as they are if UBI/admins/etc hadn't posted that the patch would be out last monday. Sometimes it's best to keep a party line of "It'll be out when it's out." Some folks will still whine, but a patch becomes a welcome surprise in that situation. Instead I (and I'm sure many like me) am putting off starting a new campaign because of the new patch coming out any day now.... I would have been happily flying for the last week and a half if it hadn't been for the original announcement.... Even the leak wouldn't have been a big deal if we hadn't been told the patch was due last week. Instead all we would know is that a patch is in the works, with various excited posters posting what has already been fixed in the leaked patch and speculating what else might be added. The announcement, however, makes us treat the patch with scepticism and impatience: Will it really have anything beyond what's in the leaked patch? What's with the holdup? Etc, etc.

Either way, you gotta pick one of two extremes when running an official forum: either give daily updates on progress (stickied) or else just have everyone stick with "It'll be out when it's out". In betas I've been in even commenting on the progress of the beta was an NDA violation for that precise reason: half-assed comments without official followup can lead to a forum revolt.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> BUMP<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> good one i would like UBI to read this one and
answer that one.

Flying_Merkava
06-21-2004, 07:49 PM
It's just a stupid patch shut up already gawd. Just make believe the patch never leaked you goody2shoers. Nothing has changed and nothing negative has come out for leaking a stupid patch for a game, it's not like the engine of a game was leaked before the game was copy righted or whatever like Doom III or HL 2. So shut up and stop being annoying, what you guys need something as stupid as a damn patch leak for a game already made and patched a 100 times to make conversation?

PE_Tigar
06-22-2004, 02:59 AM
Merkava, you're asking for it.

1. The patch that was "leaked" contains some serious fixes that affect gameplay greatly, especially on Western Front. For us flying online wars and coops these unfixed issues mean we get nixed daily or don't get as many kills as we could if only the damn thing was made official and the fixes were introduced.

2. Somebody in Ubi/1C/MG screwed up the release, announced it, leaked it, issued a cryptic warning and then fell dead silent. If that's not suspicious to you well nothing is then.

3. Restrain from posting utter bull here please, if you need someone to yell at I guess your dog or pet canary wouldn't mind. Like Ubi needs you as an advocate, sheesh...

Capt._Tenneal
06-22-2004, 08:17 AM
Why is this topic not a sticky anymore ? Is it being bumped for the official patch announcement topic sometime, say... TODAY !?

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Flying_Merkava
06-24-2004, 02:24 PM
I'm *****ing about people whining about how it is so bad that a patch was leaked. I agree with you ubi screwd up that's no secret. I even think the Russian version witch is not affiliated with ubi (lucky them) have it. I have 2.02 and it fixes many issues especially with the P-51 bullets now are as accurate as the P-40.
To solve your problem just get 2.02 and go to hyperlobby, if you cant find it i'll give it to you through icq. I don't understand why there are pages of complaints about people just pissed that it was leaked.

Flying_Merkava
06-24-2004, 02:29 PM
I'm *****ing about people whining about how it is so bad that a patch was leaked. I agree with you ubi screwd up that's no secret. I even think the Russian version witch is not affiliated with ubi (lucky them) have it. I have 2.02 and it fixes many issues especially with the P-51 bullets now are as accurate as the P-40.
To solve your problem just get 2.02 and go to hyperlobby, if you cant find it i'll give it to you through icq. I don't under