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Biloxi72
06-10-2004, 07:56 AM
S! Sirs,
I was wondering if you guys could give me some advice on flying the Jug for online play. I have tried the Jug before and could never get the hang of her on my own. Any advice on how to operate her and get the most out of her I would be grateful. Links you might have to tactics or other threads in this forum would also be much appreciated.
Thank you for your time in reading my post.
S!

"It was a marveleous aircraft! It was the best aircraft I flew in the war by far. I never flew the P-51, its been one of my life regrets, but I flew just about everything else there was. I liked the P-38s rate of climb, its speed, the way it handled, and its firepower directly out the nose. The P-38 would turn with almost anything, in fact it would out turn the P-47, out climb it, and out maneuver it. The P-38 was one of the great aircraft of WWII."...Charles MacDonald, P-38 Ace

Biloxi72
06-10-2004, 07:56 AM
S! Sirs,
I was wondering if you guys could give me some advice on flying the Jug for online play. I have tried the Jug before and could never get the hang of her on my own. Any advice on how to operate her and get the most out of her I would be grateful. Links you might have to tactics or other threads in this forum would also be much appreciated.
Thank you for your time in reading my post.
S!

"It was a marveleous aircraft! It was the best aircraft I flew in the war by far. I never flew the P-51, its been one of my life regrets, but I flew just about everything else there was. I liked the P-38s rate of climb, its speed, the way it handled, and its firepower directly out the nose. The P-38 would turn with almost anything, in fact it would out turn the P-47, out climb it, and out maneuver it. The P-38 was one of the great aircraft of WWII."...Charles MacDonald, P-38 Ace

Korolov
06-10-2004, 08:51 AM
Spend 20 minutes getting up to 8000m and dive on any poor slob lower than you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Biloxi72
06-10-2004, 09:07 AM
S! LOL thanks Korolov http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

Eagle_361st
06-10-2004, 12:31 PM
Not long ago I put up a post about how to fly and fight in the P-47. I will see if I can loacte the post and put the details in here for you mate. Like Koro said altitude and speed is what will keep you alive in the P-47.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~S!
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Eagle_361st
06-10-2004, 12:36 PM
Here is some of that post. I wrote this about 4 months ago.

While Ravens advice on the P-51 is very good and pretty much spot on in regards to the Mustang, I have a few things to add. The P-51 is an excellent aircraft for learning BnZ, it's extremely fast, excellent high speed manueverablility, excellent high speed control response(sometimes too good i.e. blackouts) and most importantly offers excellent visability.

But I feel I must come to the defense of my trusty mount of all these years, my P-47. She is not a fat lady unless you fly her like one. Meaning that the P-47 can offer many if the same qualities of the P-51, and some even better. Sorry to say, but the P-47 is not purely a ground pounding aircraft, she is deadly leathal in the right hands. If you can master the P-47, you can easily master the P-51 or any other BnZ aircraft for that matter.

To do this, you will need patience and have the knowledge that there is always a learning curve and if you make one mistake it is game over. Grab a D-27(if you are going FR or with pit locked, I dont suggest starting with the D-10 or 22 as they don't afford the visibility of the D-27 and take alot more getting used too), extra ammo and no more than 50% fuel. Line up, warm your engine with rad flaps at setting 4 or 6 and take off at 99% throttle. Once your up climb at a rate of 20-25% initial climb and vary your throttle between 99-110%. And climb away from the action, changing direction and banking as well. Believe it or not the P-47 will climb very well in a spiraling climb. Keep climbing until you reach no less than 6K Meters or roughly 18-20K feet for the non-speed bar folks. Then level out keep your rad at 4 or 6, and throttle back to 70-80% throttle and head to where you suspect action. Now put your head on a swivel, SA is very important look everywhere including above you. While most action in DF servers will be at 1-3K, there are marauders like myself up high looking so that juicy target of opportunity, so be prepared. Once you have found your target and I suggest you find loners, dont try to engage in a furball, unless absolutely neccassary or if a team mate needs help. Pick your best angle, which is generally directly above(This depends on your distance in altitude), or above and behind. Place yourself for the run all the while maintaining your speed. Close those rad flaps, throttle back to 50% and roll over and down onto the target(Throttling back helps in your fight against torque), once on your way down throttle up to 90%, you will pick up a tremendous amount of speed. Close too firing range and be sure to use lead, and hold your fire until no more than 300 meters, go for the wingroot or cockpit. After the bounce your target should be dead or severly damaged and not looking to continue the fight. But roll under and to the right of the target and back up, keep your rad close and throttle all the way to 110% and go right back up to your perch high up into the sky. Now repeat if the target is not dead, but be careful know he knows your there, best to trick him and make him think you moved on. If he is dead go find the next target. One last thing remember the Jug does not turn well, unless you are fast and at high altitudes, but she rolls very well. Roll into turns, use rudder, and throttle to help you in turns as well. There is a lot of power coming from that big radial and alot of torque, so throttling back and kicking rudder while in a roll or a turn will help very much. Try it see what you think, and if nothing else try flying with some of us Jug drivers out there. There are many to learn some of our cagey tricks from. Hope this helps, and if you feel the Mustang is your ide follow Ravens advice and tactics they are very good. But don't be afraid to learn the Jug either.

~S!
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WOLFMondo
06-10-2004, 02:56 PM
My only input to this is patience. You can't rush the P47 but once your high, your engines cool and you have some speed its a great plane and very enjoyable and kills very rewarding.

I fear most people on my tail but a good P47 pilot is somthing to really **** your pants over.

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patch_adams
06-10-2004, 03:25 PM
vs fockewulfs: out turn them

vs bf109s: knock out their engine with 2 bullets to their nose in head ons, extend, repeat, worse comes to worst close rad, prop pitch 90% dive for friendly base or AAA.

Diablo310th
06-10-2004, 04:39 PM
RufShod.....Korolov and Eagle said it all. I fly 25% fuel....extra ammunition. Get up as high as you can..no less than 4000m and keep your speed at least at 300-500kph. The higher the better actually. At high speed the Jug will turn real nicely. Be patient in her and plan every attack. Boom and Zoom your target with no more than 1 45 degree turn. Extend and climb right back up onto your perch and look for another target or the same one. Here is a great link to boom and Zoom tactics. Study it and practice it.
http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_024a.html

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Dammerung
06-10-2004, 06:04 PM
Lately on Warclouds everyone's been flying at 5k and Fighting at 3-4, low level furballs are rare now... just thought I should warn people. 7000m is probably a better height to look for a target now... Even higher if the other team has Ta-152s, if you see a 152 coming up at you take it out IMMEDIATLY.

Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
The whole damn place is full of queers, navigators, and bombadiers...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...

Biloxi72
06-11-2004, 06:01 AM
S!
ok guys thaksfor the help, one last question is it better in auto prop or using cem?

regards

Diablo310th
06-11-2004, 08:58 AM
I always use CEM. I have a rotory on my X45 assigned to prop pitch. In a steep dive u can reduce teh pitch and thereby reduce your rpms and overheating. You will also pick up more speed too cause it's like going downhill in a car and putting it in 6th gear instead of keeping it in 1st gear.

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Biloxi72
06-11-2004, 09:01 AM
S!
ok thanks Diablo for that info, and once again thanks to Eagle and all the others that shared their wisdom on this wonderful plane.
Regards

FI-Aflak
06-11-2004, 09:55 AM
I fly just about anything with energy tactics, I can't seem to get out of it, and The jug is excellent at this.

On a server with a squadmate and some other guys buzzing around in I-185s and La's and spit 9's, I took a jug, and because most of the action was on the deck I only went to about 3k meters, and I enjoyed something like 4 or 5 kills with no deaths. The jug is very rewarding if you don't try to turn with it. You can fly really carefully like an above poster mentioned, but when I fly it I climb from base, away from the action until 3000m, unless there is action at or above 3000m. Then I turn towards the hotspots, but I continue my climb, and begin looking for targets. Because I'm still climbing, I'll be at 4 or 5 kilometers when I spot a target, then I dive, full power until I get into the near-dangerous speeds. Fire, kill, full power verticle climb.

When it comes to other energy fighters, like FW-190's, the jug is still pretty good. I've gotten in knifefights with 190's and won (because the jug is a better turner.)

Its kinda ridiculous, to see the two aircraft that you know you must never knife fight in knifefighting each other . . . . but wicked fun. I think the Jug has the advantage, because I haven't lost a knifefight to a 190 yet. That said, never engage a 190 close quarters unless there is not another enemy A/C in the sky.

Biloxi72
06-11-2004, 11:58 AM
S!
cool thanks aflak, i will keep that in use as well.

regards