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Diablo310th
08-23-2004, 05:10 PM
Ok all you Jug jocks out there. Lets take stock of where we are and where we want to go.
1. Dive acceleration=fixed
2. zoom climb= acceptable
3. .50 cals=yesssssssss
4. roll rate=fixed
5. M or N model..I wish
6. G-suits....if we could show Oleg enough documentaton
7. K-14 site....with the M or N model
8. a redo of the cockpit to fix minor problems and bring it up to the newer pits.

What else am I missing???

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Diablo310th
08-23-2004, 05:10 PM
Ok all you Jug jocks out there. Lets take stock of where we are and where we want to go.
1. Dive acceleration=fixed
2. zoom climb= acceptable
3. .50 cals=yesssssssss
4. roll rate=fixed
5. M or N model..I wish
6. G-suits....if we could show Oleg enough documentaton
7. K-14 site....with the M or N model
8. a redo of the cockpit to fix minor problems and bring it up to the newer pits.

What else am I missing???

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faustnik
08-23-2004, 05:32 PM
You are missing:

- more dive acceleration

- more zoom climb

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Luftcaca
08-23-2004, 05:34 PM
yet another topic about the Jug...

and wth is K-14 site???

is it like an internet site???? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

and what is a Jug dream?
is it like a planes related wet dream??? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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WWMaxGunz
08-23-2004, 05:45 PM
Maybe the place you attach a K-14 gunsight?

p1ngu666
08-23-2004, 06:02 PM
d40 had k14 gunsite http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Bull_dog_
08-23-2004, 06:44 PM
Also had dive breaks and D-22 had paddle blade prop and I've done my own tests which convinced me that the increased climb rate is not modelled. Don't forget HVARs on the D-40. I'm thinking I read in Flight Journal or somewhere the D-25 had K-14...I could be wrong, but for some reason that sticks in my mind

p1ngu666
08-23-2004, 06:56 PM
d40's had the k14 factory fitted, others would be upgraded in the field

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VW-IceFire
08-23-2004, 08:32 PM
Hey a D-40 Jug sounds good.

At this point, an upgraded cockpit sounds really good. We know it was about 75% complete and it looks only average compaired to its contemporaries. I hear that was under construction anyways so thats ok.

Overall, she's quite good now. Exactly what it should be really. Best roll is at 250 mph with lessened roll on either side...which is correct as far as I know. Its still not a super fighter and nor should it be. It was big and heavy and it did what it was supposed to.

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GR142_Astro
08-24-2004, 12:45 AM
You can never have too many Jug threads! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

1. Give the option to take Extra .50 ammo along with any of the ordinance combinations.

2. Take the 1000lber off the centerline position.

3. New or freshened up cockpit. Icefire is right that it's kind of average.

4. Give the option to remove the wing hardpoints to clean up the airflow some.

5. Spend some polys on a proper gunsight. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

.....and...

if they don't get around to any of these I will still have the most fun in the Jug. Seems like a worthwhile time investment though, considering Pacific Fighters.

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WOLFMondo
08-24-2004, 03:12 AM
I thought on the D-27 the wing hardpoints were fixed on?

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VMF513_Sandman
08-24-2004, 05:16 AM
hvar's on d-27 as an option. either in the config of the 38-L or on the wings

LLv34_Stafroty
08-24-2004, 05:37 AM
FWa4, a5 and a6 without outer cannons and without bombrack! better forward view too. better damage on cannons. better Fm and energy keep during turns.

WTF?!?

jurinko
08-24-2004, 06:13 AM
gunsight in d10/22 sux

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MEGILE
08-24-2004, 06:53 AM
LOL LLv34_Stafroty http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

I agree with evreything, D40, M and N please Oleg
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Diablo310th
08-24-2004, 08:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LLv34_Stafroty:
FWa4, a5 and a6 without outer cannons and without bombrack! better forward view too. better damage on cannons. better Fm and energy keep during turns.

WTF?!?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL all in the gunsite of my Jug. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif see?? i knew I was forgetting alot of very important items. Hmmmm aren't all dreams of Jugs wet? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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AlexDavies
08-24-2004, 08:32 AM
do you jug fans like my sig?

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Diablo310th
08-24-2004, 08:39 AM
actually i do like that sig. Love teh colors on it.

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Willey
08-24-2004, 01:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Hey a D-40 Jug sounds good.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why another D?? I'd then just take the M. It's better.

Diablo310th
08-25-2004, 04:04 AM
Willey...I agree. If we had the M or N I would just fly that one and not a 40. But if we can't get one of those I'll take a 40. Has anyone heard anymore news about the N model for PF? I haven't talked to Priller in several months.

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VMF513_Sandman
08-25-2004, 06:15 AM
they vastly improved the jug's performance over the early days. biiiiiiig difference. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Diablo310th
08-25-2004, 09:28 AM
Sandman....it's soooo much better now. I remember those early days when it was a real dog in the air. Poor acceleration, no roll rate, poor guns. anyone flying teh Jug was considered toi be an easy kill. I still run into people that think seeing a Jug is an easy kill. Made a few of em pay for it too.....even when i was down low.

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VMF513_Sandman
08-25-2004, 09:33 AM
if only the 38 was modeled properly in the roll and climb rate, what a vicious pair a jug and 38 could be. think of it: the 38 couldnt outdive the jug, so the jug could go after the diver's while the 38 flies top cover. jug couldnt outturn the 38, so the 38 could do at least a good snapshot and the jug finishes the bbq. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Willey
08-25-2004, 09:41 AM
BTW, HVARs came with the D-30 first http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

That could be a reason for another D. Then a 40 would be better than a 30 - 30 is just a 27 with dorsal fin, more or less. Dunno what the 40 is different at else.

p1ngu666
08-25-2004, 11:14 AM
think we will get more p47s in pf, but im not 100% sure
d40 wid k14 and hvars be cool tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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MEGILE
08-25-2004, 12:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>think we will get more p47s in pf, but im not 100% sure <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I sure hope so http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif, If they do not deliver ye shall be burned at the stake! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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LLv34_Stafroty
08-25-2004, 12:25 PM
what i want is that, khihi, cant tell it here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

chris455
08-25-2004, 07:14 PM
HVARs (called "Holy Moses" by the troops for the horrifying sound they made)

Fix the DM so the gunsite doesn't get broke as often

Give us small bombs (100 lb, 250 lb)

Give us the modded P-38 teardrop-shaped droptanks (we're gonna need 'em in the PTO!)
and finally,

GIVE US THE P-47N !!!!!!!!!!

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Diablo310th
08-25-2004, 07:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chris455:

and finally,

_GIVE US THE P-47N !!!!!!!!!!_

Chris

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LOL you got it Chris455...I'm with you.

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Cajun76
08-27-2004, 09:28 PM
Mmmmm, P-47N. Good place for my new sig. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Copperhead310th
08-28-2004, 03:46 AM
FYI there were very few changes in the P-47D-27 we have and the P-47D-40. the only 2 noticable changes were:

1. Added K-14 gunsite
2. Added fillet to tial section.

D-30 just added the fillet.
not sure what model the HVARs were on but they were widly used as were cluster bombs.
I'm going to bed and dream about an N. lol
4:00 am and i want to finnish this thread but alas....sleep calls.

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Diablo310th
08-28-2004, 09:20 AM
Ok guys...I just thought of another one. Selfsealing fuel tanks. Can anyone confirm or deny that teh Jugs do or do not have self sealing tanks? From watching many trks of my online flights I do not see this.

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Copperhead310th
08-28-2004, 01:14 PM
they are *Suposed to be*modled on all US plane thatwere equiped with those type of fuel tanks. and from my knowlage most all USAAF birds were so equiped. I know for a fact the the P-47 & P-51 had them. as weel as the B-17/24/25/& 26, and A-20/26's had them.

as for in AEP....it's hard to say. i've seen them works sometimes and sometime they don't.
the only one who would know for sure is Oleg.

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VW-IceFire
08-28-2004, 02:14 PM
I think we'll probably see at least an AI P-47N in Pacific Fighters but the modeler reported a data loss and while the external model was already with others, the cockpit I think was gutted.

Not confirmed either way.

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MEGILE
08-29-2004, 05:31 AM
Only AI? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Diablo310th
08-29-2004, 08:04 AM
sad....very sad indeed. I was so looking forward to flying it. Somebody please do the pit quickly. Dang on it....I'll even take the D-27 pit to be used in it now just so we have the FM and DM modeled. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Gibbage or some other modeller..step in and take over please.

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p1ngu666
08-29-2004, 08:34 AM
priller is getting his 3dmax again soon
i dont really know the state of play on p47n, i know he lost all his stuff tho :\

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Bull_dog_
08-29-2004, 08:47 AM
From pages of the flight journal p-47 special edition:

D-22: much simplified, larger, 13ft. 2 inch diameter hamilton standard propeller installed for performance increase.

D-25: bubble canopy, dive breaks and lead computing gunsight

D-40: dorsal fin, HVARS (10), -59 engine that had 2,430hp with water injection installed

M: "c" engine w/ 2100 hp for take off and 2800 hp with water injection installed

N: 200 gallons internal fuel in wings and with wing strength for two external 300 gallon tanks


As good as the Jug is now, there is still plenty of room for improvement including K-14 gunsight and paddle blade prop. If we get the D-40, we'd have HVARS and more hp. Looks like the N should have the K-14 in it too if it makes it in PF

Cajun76
08-29-2004, 03:41 PM
In regards to fuel leaks, I think the self sealing tanks work now. It used to be that any bullet or shard of flak would bleed you dry. Now it's not garunteed. No tank was 100%, and the Jug will still sometimes lose all her fuel, but I've seem multiple small leaks go away during a fight now. Good stuff. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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VW-IceFire
08-29-2004, 07:14 PM
Yup, that was definately fixed. And a very annoying problem too.

Aside from a better looking cockpit or a new variant, the P-47 has gotten to where it should be. Now a very capable fighter when its supposed to be but still a handful at low altitude with a smaller more manuverable aircraft on your six.

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Korolov
08-29-2004, 07:40 PM
I don't think you could count on Gibbage to make you a P-47N cockpit - he thinks the community for FB is made up of raw sewage.

Also, I'd like to note that there are many cockpit differences from the -27 to -40. The -27 we have doesn't have a ADF or a dial compass, and instrument arrangement is different between the models.

With this in mind however, it would be nice if they could make a -27 "field mod" with a tail fillet and a K-14 gunsight, plus mountings for HVARs.

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Diablo310th
08-30-2004, 06:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
I don't think you could count on Gibbage to make you a P-47N cockpit - he thinks the community for FB is made up of raw sewage.

Also, I'd like to note that there are many cockpit differences from the -27 to -40. The -27 we have doesn't have a ADF or a dial compass, and instrument arrangement is different between the models.

With this in mind however, it would be nice if they could make a -27 "field mod" with a tail fillet and a K-14 gunsight, plus mountings for HVARs.

http://www.mechmodels.com/fbstuff/klv_sigp38shark1a.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah i know there are alot of differences in the instrament panel for sure. I had heard awhile back that someone other than Priller was doing the cockpit. I just hope somebody will pick up the ball on it and get it done before PF comes out. If we can't get the N flyable maybe Oleg would give us an M model based on a field modded D-27.

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VMF-214_HaVoK
08-30-2004, 04:37 PM
I would be thrilled if dive speeds and zoom climbs were modeled correctly for all planes. I hope Oleg does not overlook a feature that will be key in Pacific Fighters.

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crazyivan1970
08-30-2004, 05:15 PM
One major problem left standing for P-47 and Spitfires... Cockpits. I hope someone will give it proper look one day.

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Copperhead310th
08-31-2004, 06:04 AM
Hell Ivan your the man that's in tight with the man, that's in tight with the man, that knows a guy who's cousin is married to one of the janitors at 1c/maddox. surely you can use your connections to get this stuff done right?

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08-31-2004, 06:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
One major problem left standing for P-47 and Spitfires... Cockpits. I hope someone will give
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Whats wrong with the Spitfire cockpit? Apart from rather allot of very large bolt everywhere.

The P47 cockpit could certainly do with being looked at although its not bad, IMHO the BF109's cockpits need a looking at most.

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GR142_Astro
08-31-2004, 11:52 PM
The 109s may need a touchup, but the P47 cockpit needs a total rework. One of the P47s greatest assets was the excellent visibility with the bubble canopy. In FB however, the pilot's head is placed a good distance from the armor plate when in fact it should rest against it. When you look over your shoulder you cannot look around it and it becomes a big obstruction.

Perhaps this is a game limitation, but the net result is that rear visibility is actually better in a 109 (not G2) than a P47, which is backwards.

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09-05-2004, 02:43 AM
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