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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 04:39 AM
Oleg i recently installed janes wwii fighters. Is it possible to add in programing into the game to make povs work smooth like mouse cursor control? Not like f9 snap view or current pov system you use.

I have 2 joysticks for both my computers, one is the saitek x45 the other is the saitek cyborg 3d gold usb. With janes wwii fighters the pov movement is smooth just as your moving the mouse.

In fb its done like cfs2 with fixed views only for pov. and snapview is done in the same way with auto forward when you let go.

If it works that good in stoneage janes wwii fighters it should work like that in a modern sim as well instead of fixed pov positions.



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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 04:39 AM
Oleg i recently installed janes wwii fighters. Is it possible to add in programing into the game to make povs work smooth like mouse cursor control? Not like f9 snap view or current pov system you use.

I have 2 joysticks for both my computers, one is the saitek x45 the other is the saitek cyborg 3d gold usb. With janes wwii fighters the pov movement is smooth just as your moving the mouse.

In fb its done like cfs2 with fixed views only for pov. and snapview is done in the same way with auto forward when you let go.

If it works that good in stoneage janes wwii fighters it should work like that in a modern sim as well instead of fixed pov positions.



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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 07:40 AM
I second this motion leadspitter. I wondered why so many other sims feature smooth panning with POV hat while IL-2 and FB have snap views or fixed view panning.

Smooth POV hat panning would allow better target tracking for the players that prefer not to use padlock, mouse look or external views. A bit more realistic if you ask me when you are responsible for your own head movements.

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 08:07 AM
I have found smooth panning movements too slow. Way too slow. You sit and wait and wait for eternity while panning. At least the fixed views are fast. One key punch and you know where you will be looking. Granted, panning does have advantages, but its usually implemented so that it is cripplingly slow. After the rapid Flanker 1.0 key views, the molasses panning in Flanker 2.51 killed me...if I remember that right, since I got FB I have not looked at Flanker. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 08:52 AM
You should try this smooth panning utility:
http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=000431;p=

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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 09:04 PM
i tried that program and cant get it to work properly and dont like that i cant read the ascii im pressing even with the translation. Oleg should add this feature in to the game reguardless and whats the stuff about people using the beta trackir.tir driver for the pov for full 360 view now thats an unfair advantage.

Alright I got it working but all it does is is move thru the pov 8 views continously, still not what im looking for. A smooth fast pov that works like mouse look how janes is, and mouse look speed will change it to how you want.

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Message Edited on 06/28/0308:11PM by LeadSpitter_

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 09:21 PM
Lexx open your config.ini in your il2 fb dir

C:\Program Files\Ubi Soft\IL-2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles\config.ini

[HookView Config]
AzimutSpeed=0.1
TangageSpeed=0.1
LenSpeed=1.0
MinLen=1.0
DefaultLen=20.0
MaxLen=3000.0
Speed=20


for speed change it from 8 to 20 like above it helps but still not what Im looking for but speeds up the hat switch movements which you are looking for, when you look with your mouse in fb thats how smooth a regular 8 hat switch pov moves in janes wwii fighters and is needed badly in FB.

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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 11:36 PM
LeadSpitter::
-- lexx do this, lexx do that...

Will try it out. Thanks yous for that info. I wish they would document this stuff.

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 05:02 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 09:16 PM
For your information folks: We have discussed this at great length in the past. Oleg said that in IL2 and FB it cannot be implemented because it would foul up the track files. I would like to have it as well so that my left hand would be free to run the rest of the plane rather than acting as a virtual head.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 02:20 AM
Hey Leadspitter, I think you better try that program again - there's a new version out that works perfectly for my joystick!! (Logitech Wingman Extreme)

I installed the latest version of this utility (see end of Gleb's link) and it works excellent.

I learned flight simming with Janes WWII Fighters and CFS2 (in CFS2 virtual cockpit mode, the hat controls smooth panning, the smoothest in any sim I've ever played).

I always disliked the stilted panning of Il2/FB, but with this utility, the panning is very smooth. Also, you can set the speed of your panning to suit your taste.

I'm sure you just have to fiddle around with the new program. I also programmed it to give me a snap forward view using a joystick button, which will reset the view (and won't jump back to the original gaze on further hat input - you do this by programming the U5 view). I also eliminated the Shift input for instrument panel view, thereby freeing up the Shift button.

After installing this utility, my FB performance has improved dramatically! I can now track bogeys smoothly (I don't use padlock) and it's much easier to fly in formation.

I wish HarryS would see this post. He's the one who griped the most about the awkward panning of Il2/FB. Here's the solution! Thanks for the head's up, Gleb!!!

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 03:36 AM
still i dont see how it could mess up track files at all, is there an english version of that program too, the translations on simhq dont list every filetab and buttons. Also this is an unfair 3rd party program not everyone uses. who knows what else is out there.

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 04:13 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- still i dont see how it could mess up track files at
- all, is there an english version of that program
- too, the translations on simhq dont list every
- filetab and buttons. Also this is an unfair 3rd
- party program not everyone uses. who knows what else
- is out there.

I don't know why having it implemented in the game itself would mess up the track files either, but Oleg said it would and said that is why it would not be implemented as I recall.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 06:51 AM
Lead and Red, it doesn't mess up the track files at all.

I used the smooth-pan utility during several Quick Combat missions and then saved the tracks. I replayed the tracks and waddya know, the smooth panning is duplicated! The tracks are entirely accurate also, with no mix-up in events.

The only thing that is messed up is when in F2 (external) view, the mouse doesn't have universal direction. It will rotate about 270 degrees around the plane, but then stop at a limit, instead of the full 360 degrees in all directions (this limitation only applies to the yaw axis).

But this isn't that big of a deal, given the trade-off in gaining smooth universal panning in the cockpit.


As for not knowing what the utility tabs say...

I sat for a while and by trial and error, discovered that the 3rd tab selection gives the programmable key section. Here you can program different views and commands, with an ini file to show the results.

But I agree, it'd be real nice if the original programmer (Hruks or FB=Alezz) and others would translate this utility to English! I don't consider it a cheat at all, just a convenience (especially for those who actually play with the mouse for view). Also, the "Linda Blair" cheat is not possible with this version.


P.S. Everytime you restart a mission, you have to "activate" smooth panning by hitting the F1 key, otherwise there will be no panning at all. This is nothing of any nuisance.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:07 AM
does Janes ww2 Fighters lack mouselook like FS2002?Just curious.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:18 AM
I'd like to correct my earlier posting. Here's my latest update:

- The F2 external view is NOT messed up by this utility.

Mouse control on external view works perfectly normal if you go into the smoothpan config.ini file and change

"MouseControl=" from "True" to "False"

By deactivating mouse control, the F2 external view works just like it should. And you can still use the mouse to look around in-cockpit!?


- Again, ALL track files work perfectly fine, both the tracks which come with the game and subsequent recordings.


There's a lot of neat options with this program, that I'm discovering by trial and error. I'm having a blast with this!!

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:39 AM
lazio5 wrote:
- does Janes ww2 Fighters lack mouselook like
- FS2002?Just curious.
-
-

there is a fix for Fs2002 a program called "active camera" available for download at www.flightsims.com (http://www.flightsims.com) ..

it allows mouse pan and mouse wheel zoom (something FB could use)

and also adds the option of "head bobbing" for added realism http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 09:50 AM
thanks Galway.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 01:09 PM
It will not screw up the track files, but make them quite large, which can lead to hangs when saving long tracks because there is a ton of view info in them. Just an FYI.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 01:37 PM
Could someone translate this program to make it simpler for GED folks like myself?

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 02:16 PM
Janes has mouse look also, and the pov is just as smooth.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 01:25 AM
*bump*

is there anyone who has the ability to create a translation "cheat sheet" or some such to use this program?

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 02:05 AM
ScoutPSG wrote:
- *bump*
-
- is there anyone who has the ability to create a
- translation "cheat sheet" or some such to use this
- program?


which program ???

If you mean active camera for FS2002 there is a manual in pdf format created in the FS2002 directory.


I also forget to mention it lets you move around the cockpit so you can fly from the co-pilot/instructors seat or even sit in the back with the passengers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 02:46 AM
The proggie that allows for mouse panning w/joystick button bro.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 05:46 AM
Hey Scout,

if you're serious about trying out the utility, then download it and follow the recs per the translation in the simHQ link/forum.

Get as far as you can, and I'll try to help you get beyond that to achieve proper installation (just post your questions in this link). My experience is that the program is quite simple to install and get going.

I don't read Cyrillic (sic) but I was able to install the program just fine and get it to work perfectly. It really has improved my FB experience, making it far more realistic and immersive! I really feel like I'm sitting in a cockpit now, since I have total freedom of gaze.

I also figured out (in a rudimentary kind of way) how to program joystick buttons for certain views, allowing for snap views forward, at the instrument panel, or over the shoulders.

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 07:42 AM
The only thing I've been able to program so far is the quick view to the instruments, which is great. But that was completely by accident /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I want:
Keypad8 to pan down
Keypad2 to pan up
Keypad4 to pan left
Keypad6 to pan right

and I have no idea how to accomplish that with the Russian GUI /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 01:49 AM
*bump*

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 03:23 AM
Lead if you have an X45 then you already have mouse panning capabilties. It is on the orange button on the throttle. I use mine all the time. Go into the Saitek profile editor and open highlight the button..then look to the right and you will see a little arrow. Hit that arrow and it lets you set up the cursor for a 4-way, 8-way hat or mouse. Program the sensitivity and save the profile & you are good to go.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 04:08 AM
i agree with bearcat

the x45 panning function is very good, you can even adjust the panning speed...

if you have problems activating it, try to get latest saitek drivers....

adlabs6
07-03-2003, 04:41 AM
I've liked mouselooking on my X45 since I bought it (I use hazardscript). I'm using mouselook again now after a few weeks with snap views, and mouse on a hat is SO much better. I especialy enjoy being able to look just to the side of the forward view while tracking enemy planes. Impossible to do this so smoothly any other way I've tried.

Give this sort of arangement a try, no matter what stick you've got. It's at least worth testing for a short while. Just be sure to set the mouse speed high enough. I know at first it seems way to jumpy, but in combat, you'll forget about this pretty quickly! My mouse speed is 2.0 currently.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:29 AM
bear I have the x45 and my mouse cursor control works fine,

On my other comp i have the saitek cyborg gold in janes wwii fighters the pov works just the mouse cursor control on the saitek x45. Don't you think oleg should add in smooth panning with hat switches? Thats my point if janes can do it from many years ago il2fb should have the capability also

Theres programs out there that work descent but its still not as smooth as the mouse like the pov in janes

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adlabs6
07-03-2003, 06:39 AM
Oh, I see now. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Sure, I don't see why it shouldn't be added. IMO they could replace the 'pan' view with the mouse pan, and switch between snap and mouse with F9 (I think?) like it is now.

That would work.

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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 11:55 PM
Bump

we need fueldump too which the majority of the planes had

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 01:30 AM
Dear :Leadspitter,

Hey dude, I remember adjusting my POV setting in CFS to give me panning views instead of snap views. I wonder if it possible for the individual user to do somthing like that in IL2FB ???

Man, its been so long I think I tossed all that stuff out with my old computer!
Worth a try, I'll get back with ya.

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