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XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 09:36 AM
I'm in the market for a new stick i used to use a Logitech Wingman Extreme Digital USB, but in the space of a year two have given up on me, (not surprising really they are only ‚£20 from dabs.com)

So does the X45 Saitek have Rudder Twist in the stick, because rudder control is as important to me as pitch and roll control?

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 09:36 AM
I'm in the market for a new stick i used to use a Logitech Wingman Extreme Digital USB, but in the space of a year two have given up on me, (not surprising really they are only ‚£20 from dabs.com)

So does the X45 Saitek have Rudder Twist in the stick, because rudder control is as important to me as pitch and roll control?

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 09:42 AM
the rudder control is on the throttle and is used by your fingers .........i dont use my x-45 for that reason..it is not a twist type...........iv got the stick you have .........im gonna leave my x-45 in box and get a ms ffb2 .....im saving my x45 untill i get foot peddels

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Message Edited on 09/26/0301:44AM by tenmmike

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 09:43 AM
The Saitek X45 is awesome, i have one, got it from dabs, was about 60quid, remember. The stick has rudder control, but its not twist stick, the control in under the throttle control, it took some getting use to butit works great.

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XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 09:47 AM
I have the older X-35 that preceded the X-45 and it's a great stick. Personally I don't like the twist-in-the-stick making up for the rudderin some sticks, seems unnatural. I'd go for the X-45..

rgds

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 09:48 AM
tenmmike wrote;

'ms ffb2' whats this? does that have a twist action?

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 10:02 AM
NO do not buy Saitek

it will break inside of 6 months


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XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 10:02 AM
yes it has twist and ffb.........the x-45 is a very good stick ..i just dont like the rudder control... so im holding mine in box untill i get some ch peddels...............the x45 has a lot of very nice featurs though.........

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XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 10:25 AM
please forgive my ignorance on this but i still dont know what the below is

tenmmike wrote;

'ms ffb2' whats this exactly? (whats the abreviations for)

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 10:42 AM
Micro Soft Force Feed Back
.................................MS Sidewinder Force Feedback 2

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Message Edited on 09/26/0302:48AM by tenmmike

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 11:30 AM
The X 45 is awesome.

No doubt Bearcat will be along shortly to explain why /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 11:37 AM
I have an X35 USB (predecessor to the X45) that I bought when IL2 was released (a couple of years ago?).

It is *still* fine, and usually I fly most evenings.

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XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 12:45 PM
LMAO!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif You guys have me pegged!!!


tenmmike wrote:
- the rudder control is on the throttle and is used by
- your fingers .........i dont use my x-45 for that
- reason..it is not a twist type...........iv got the
- stick you have .........im gonna leave my x-45 in
- box and get a ms ffb2 .....im saving my x45 untill i
- get foot peddels

In the mean time you can still use that X45 with your current stick. Just assign the inputs in the controls menu of FB. I use...the MSFFB2/X45/CH pedal combo and it is great. Even if I had no pedals I would put my rudder on the twist handfle of the other stick. I prefer to use the rudder rocker for my flaps on the X45. The stick is highly programmable, sturdy (in spite of what locust said../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) and the price is right. The immersion level will skyrocket once you have both hands occupied with keeping your plane aloft and once you get pedals and get your feet involved and push that keyboard under the desk it will skyrocket.

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XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 01:05 PM
thx all,

Hey bearcat can you explain your control rig in a little more detail pls, without the abreviations, i'm not to clued up on modern lingo.

Cheers mate

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 01:19 PM
i got the ms side winder force feed back stick and i love it the feed back is soo cool in this game dont think i could play with out it any more i dont mind useing the keyboard for some stuff so ill stick with this stick but thats just mehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 01:39 PM
bump to Bearcat

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 01:40 PM
It's so strange that RBJ hasn't jumped in to tell us about
his MSFF...

Anyway...

Well, I own a X45 and I can tell you that I have everything that I want on my X45!
You name it, you can have it:
a) Rudder, b) Trim rotary, c) Pitch control rotary d) mouse control e) Many fire buttons f) Many useful buttons g) pinkie switch h) 2 hat switches i) 3 modes where you can use them to triple all your buttons!

The only thing that you should add is rudder pedals (I don't have them but everybody say its fantastic).

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 02:46 PM
can i use the CH flight pedals with an X45 stick?

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 05:32 PM
I dont think that its a very smooth stick at all.. The Ch compared to the saitek, there is no comparing those 2 together.. I currently have 2 X45 and they are still in the box that they came in.. They are a back up now..

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 05:42 PM
Okay I've had an x36 for 2 years, 1 of which i used it almost everyday. It got sloppy in the centering, but no other problems. I got a COUGAR to replace it, and pots got screwy after 6 months, so i dragged my x36 outta retirement, a bit sloppy but more than acceptable. For the money the X36/45s are great values.

If you have the money I also advise getting CH gear BUT you have to get the HOTAS and PEDALS to really reap the benefits. I use a pair of CH Pro Pedals with the x36 myself, works great, had the pedals almost 2 years as well.


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XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 07:28 PM
you want the USB version as windows xp does not support the gameport version fully, thats why Saitek changed the design, oh and its wicked had one over 2 years now and a x36 over 5 and that is still going strong (gave it away to a 98 user) had one microswitch play up out of warrant over 2 years 3 months old out of warranty, emailed Saitek uk and a new one was sent out to me free of charge, NP there /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

someone is selling one on here as well see

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adlabs6
09-26-2003, 07:36 PM
Love my X45! I am very happy with the rudder lever on the throttle. I wouldn't go back to a twist stick after using that lever. I always disliked the way my old Logitech's twisting stick motion would happen when I didn't want it to, especially after the Logitech "loosened up" abit with age.

BTW, I'm now using the latest Saitek drivers and profiler, and it seems to be working great. I converted most of my Hazardscript FB profile yesterday, and it was no trouble at all.

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XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 07:40 PM
yea i have it to, the only thing is that getting used to the rudder on the trottle is hard to get used to it afther using all the other methots, i did get used to it afther a while, but you can always get pedals to /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 12:19 AM
Question, can i use my SERIAL PORT CH Pro pedals with teh X-45 or do you have to have the USB pedals ???

if anyone know let me know, almost have my wife talked into letting me get an X_45 ..!
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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 12:59 AM
I am on my 2nd X45 (had my 1st 2 years then broke it in house move); X45 is great value HOTAS I really like them, but I also use CH pedals which makes a great package. (I found the rudder control a bit tricky).

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 01:17 AM
Ok I've been wondering the same...about the Saitek..good reading thanks. Question though. I have the MSFF2 and I like it very much. Everyone is talking about rudder pedals and I know you can buy them and all...its just that I use my Logitech Mobo Pedal (brake and gas) for my rudders and they work fine. Also use Microsoft Wheel pedals as well with no problems...Question is ...is there a difference?
Official Rudder Pedals or just plain Wheel pedals?

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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 04:41 AM
Like Bearcat I use the X45 for the throttle and my MSFF2 for my stick.

The X45 is worth it JUST for the throttle alone.

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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 04:55 AM
I like my Thrustmaster Topgun afterburner 2, its tough and does what it needs to do..

I like the rudder control on it, and you have the option of using the twist stick if you don't..

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 05:04 AM
altstiff wrote:
- Like Bearcat I use the X45 for the throttle and my
- MSFF2 for my stick.
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- The X45 is worth it JUST for the throttle alone.

It's too bad the throttle can't be plugged into a USB input by itself and needs the joystick to be plugged in as well.

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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 05:14 AM
Classicaero wrote:
- thx all,
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- Hey bearcat can you explain your control rig in a
- little more detail pls, without the abreviations,
- i'm not to clued up on modern lingo.
-
- Cheers mate

Well the MSFFB stick is my main flight stick. I have my hat on there as a 4 way hat (all my hats are 4 way...8 way gets too cumbersome) with F1,F3,5 & F2 at the 12,3,6 & 9 Oclock positions respectively. Button 1 is Mgs (macine guns),Button 2 is rockets,button 3 is cannon button 4 is bombs,button 5 is supercharger >,button 6 is supercharger<,button 7 is mixture<,button 8 is mixture>, the throttle is prop pitch. Rudder trim is on the twist handle. On the X45 stick hat one I have cockpit lights,landing ligts,tip smoke, and nav lights at the 12,3,6 & 9 Oclock positions. Hat 2 is gear auto,manualgear lower,tailwheel lock,manual gear raise. Button A is auto pilot, button B is level auto pilot, the red lighted button in the middle is bail out, the red button in front is engine start, the trigger on the top is drop tanks,....I keep the pinkie switch open since it can be used in conjunction with the mode switch to give you 6 assingments to your switches instead of just 3. On the throttle my front rotary is aileron trim, my back rotary is elevator trim. The Aux button is set for wide, normal & gunsight view, the mode switch I use as a mode switch. The orange mouse button (which can be set as a 4 way hat, 8 way hat or mouse) is set for mouse so I can pan around in my views. The little black button next to it is set for shift in mode 1 or ctrl in modes 2 & 3. The D button is set for quick track record,map or radiator in modes 1,2 or 3. Flaps are on the rudder rocker of the X45. The only buttons I currently use modes for are the D button and the black button. You can see where by having the shift and ctrl keys mapped to the black button I have some versatility in my viewing. I even watch tracks from my sticks. My rudder control is the CH pedals. If you decided you didnt want pedals then you could always map your rudder either to the twist on the MSFFB (or whatever additional stick you want to use) if you like that better or the rocker on the X45 and assign your flaps somwwhere else. It is a very versatile setup and I have only scratched the surface but I have most of the commands for the planes I fly in FB and FB is the only sim I fly. I havent set it up for any other sim but eventually I will get around to it. I want to try to see if I can use the throttle in different modes as well so I can set up something say for port & starboard engines seperately and both engines together. I dont know yet if the throttle is capable of that yet though, I still dont know if the modes only apply to the buttons but like i saifd I will eventually get around to that too.

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