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Mud_Zombie9
04-17-2004, 12:51 PM
Next week i'm ordering a new comp. Wanted to know if i should go AMD64 or xp , or P4 can afford about 1500.00 without a moniter. Radeon or GeForce-128 or 256? Only really enterested in Il-2 and some racing games any input would really help me out. P.S probably gonna order from ABS

Mud_Zombie9
04-17-2004, 12:51 PM
Next week i'm ordering a new comp. Wanted to know if i should go AMD64 or xp , or P4 can afford about 1500.00 without a moniter. Radeon or GeForce-128 or 256? Only really enterested in Il-2 and some racing games any input would really help me out. P.S probably gonna order from ABS

BuzzardHead
04-17-2004, 01:02 PM
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VW-IceFire
04-17-2004, 03:20 PM
For processor I was looking at the benchmarks and the AMD64's are a great processor from the looks of it. In 32bit aps they seem to do better than the P4's do. Whats even better is that AMD just came out with the AMD64 2800+. Its slower than the 3000+ or the FX51/53 lineup but its still a bit faster than the 3.02 Ghz Pentium 4 and I think the quoted US price was somewhere around $160-$180. That'd be a great buy if you're on a budget.

As for video, I personally am happy with a Radeon 9700Pro. A good buy right now is the 9800Pro which are very cheap now (the 9800XT being the ultimate at the moment - new cards from nVidia and ATI are due out in a couple of months but they will be expensive and cutting edge). As for video memory? Thats a tough one...128mb is more than enough right now. In a year the 256mb may be making a much more profound impact.

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ddsflyer
04-17-2004, 03:51 PM
Why not build your own? You'll end up with better components, upgradaebility and all the knowledge you will have gained. It isn't difficult at all, I am sure there would be plenty of folks in these forums including myself who would be happy to help you. Personally I choose to stay with all Intel (P4 and motherboard) and would probably wait a few weeks until the new graphics cards are out as they are a quantum leap over the current ones.

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LeChuck59
04-17-2004, 04:06 PM
I would also recommend putting it together yourself. You'll get far more for your money, and it'll be a good learning experience, AND it'll be fun.

I frequent the HardOCP forums here... http://www.hardforum.com/

Register and post in General Hardware that you're looking to put together a system for $1500 and you'll get all the help you need.

Mud_Zombie9
04-17-2004, 04:22 PM
Thanks 4 replying i really appreciate the advice. I think i might go with the ABS built Amd 64 2800. I think my budget will only allow the Radeon 9800 pro 128 and dual sticks of 512's. But would i be cheating myself if only running 1 hard drive? As far as building it myself i'm not that brave yet and ABS offers lifetime phone support.

Obi_Kwiet
04-17-2004, 04:25 PM
Radeon 9800 pro 128 = Best bang for buck. Period.

Mud_Zombie9
04-17-2004, 04:27 PM
Thanks 4 replying. Your help is much appreciated. I guess i'll go with an Abs built system because they offer lifetime phone support. Looks like it'll be Amd 64 2800 with the Radeon 9800 Pro 128 and a gig of ram. Now i just don't know about the hard drive 1 or 2?? 1 would save me money but i don't want to cheat myself either.

Mud_Zombie9
04-17-2004, 04:28 PM
OOps i posted twice AAAGGGHHH

Bearcat99
04-17-2004, 05:21 PM
You said you can afford @ $1500 w/o a monitor... Go for the 64 that is 2.0... it will run 32 bit apps at 4.0. Why skimp idf you can afford not to? As far as the video goes..... 9800XT...... work that puppy fort all she's worth.

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04-17-2004, 05:49 PM
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Lav69
04-17-2004, 06:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As far as building it myself i'm not that brave yet and ABS offers lifetime phone support.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man it really is easy to build a box. It seems scary at first, but trust me, do some research and you will be fine. I have built 4 now and will never in my life throw my money away to a retailer. As far AMD goes, yes. They are all I use as they are the preferred gamers cpu. You want multi-tasking go Intel. The higher L2 cache of AMD's lends to higher 32bit performance. And for the price its a no brainer. As for vid cards I have had a 9700pro since they came out and have never considered Nvidia since. Previously I had been a GeForce man. These are my thoughts, take what you will.

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Blubble
04-17-2004, 08:15 PM
Let me echo in with the recommendation to build it yourself.

The only caveat would be to buy the motherbpard and processor together. Most good parts shops will put them together for free. It is really easy to break a CPU while installing it if you don't know what you are doing. If the store breaks it while installing it, they eat the cost. If you break it, you're screwed and have to buy another CPU.

Also make sure you get a good power supply. Get a good brand name with at least 400 watts. Also, don't skimp on fans. Get at least two case fans and a good CPU cooling system. Better a loud box than an overheated one. You can always buy sound dampening materials to quiet things down.

I would highly recommend ASUS motherboards. I have had several for both AMD and Intel CPUs and have never had any problems.

As far as hard drives go, get Seagate drives if you can. IBM drives are decent, but Seagate is the best. Stay away from Western Digital as they bite the dust too often. Also, they sometimes can have configuration hassles with higher end systems.

Also, make sure you get RAM from a reputable maker. Crucial sells good RAM at good prices.

Finally, make sure to check out www.tomshardware.com (http://www.tomshardware.com) and www.sharkyextreme.com (http://www.sharkyextreme.com) for good advice and reviews on components.

Good luck and don't stress. You will end up with a much better system and save a ton of money. You will never buy retail crap PCs again. Make sure to post or PM if you need help.

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ausmondo
04-17-2004, 08:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mud_Zombie9:
Thanks 4 replying i really appreciate the advice. I think i might go with the ABS built Amd 64 2800. I think my budget will only allow the Radeon 9800 pro 128 and dual sticks of 512's. But would i be cheating myself if only running 1 hard drive? As far as building it myself i'm not that brave yet and ABS offers lifetime phone support.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would go for two HDD SATA & RAID 0 Config.
You'll thank me for that.
AMD64 is the way to go.
As for build yourself.....hmmmmm
Remember, you get no tech support.
As for GPU, Its 'six of one or half a dozen of the other'
Good luck
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LeChuck59
04-17-2004, 08:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mud_Zombie9:
Thanks 4 replying i really appreciate the advice. I think i might go with the ABS built Amd 64 2800. I think my budget will only allow the Radeon 9800 pro 128 and dual sticks of 512's. But would i be cheating myself if only running 1 hard drive? As far as building it myself i'm not that brave yet and ABS offers lifetime phone support.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can understand not being up for personally constructing your own computer. As for that ABS system, it sounds good. If you skimp now and get the 2800, like you plan to, the upgrade to a 3600 or 3800(I forget now how far AMD is taking their 754 based chips) should be a cheap, but substantial improvement later, so whether or not that was intentional, it's a good idea. As for your RAM and graphics card, a gig and the 9800pro is more than enough to play any game on the market now. Finally, I don't know if you've bought from ABS before, but I went to them for my last computer and I highly recommend them.

Mud_Zombie9
04-17-2004, 09:33 PM
Again i wan't to thank all of you for replying.I hoped for a couple posts but thankfully recieved a ton ! I've been losing sleep over this because it's not too often i have extra money that would let me buy a better comp. I'm going to check into some of your posted forums and see if maybe i couldn't piece one together myself just as an option. Feel free to keep posting your thoughts!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Mud_Zombie9
04-17-2004, 09:35 PM
Oh yeah Flokzap, My god is that comp you posted 4 real?? I'd trade my house for that tri moniter!! Well only if my wife said i could..

LeadSpitter_
04-17-2004, 09:53 PM
dont buy one now wait it out another year you wont be sorry.

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Tully__
04-17-2004, 10:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
You change my sig T for being 500x100 and under 30k? Here look at this one instead and I hope it gives you a seizure go harrass someone else T.
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LeChuck59
04-18-2004, 01:39 AM
Mud_Zombie9, I'm glad you've decided to look around HardOCP (at least it sounded like you were going to). I've been hanging around there for the last couple weeks, ever since I decided I needed to upgrade for Half Life 2.

I can save you some time with a brief overview of what's going on with computer tech right now.

The top of the line processors are AMD's Athlon 64's which come in two varieties, Athlon 64 and Athlon 64 FX for socket 754 and 940 motherboards respectively. However, AMD is moving their 64bit chips over to a new, more efficient, less expensive interface, socket 939. This means that the current chips won't be supported as long as most chip lines. In other words, buy and chip now and your upgrade options will be relatively limited. However as I said in my second post, going with a 2800 now and upgrading to the last of the socket 754 processors (a 3600 or possibly higher) would be a solid plan. However, if you can wait 6 months you should because not only will you have access to the socket 939 processors, the motherboards designed to accomodate them will have assumed new technologies as well, namely PCI Express (essentially AGP 16x) and the next generation of DDR memory. Finally, nVidia and ATI are in the process or launching their new graphics cards and they appear to be substantial improvements over the current cutting edge, the 9800pro and 9800XT. Six months from now those cards will be out and reviewed and their prices will have settled. All that's to say that if you wait your computer will not only be more powerful, it'll be more future proof and thus you'll get more from your investment.

But if you don't want to wait or you can't, I'm afraid that you have even more to think about because aside from the current Athlon 64, there are two cheaper options. Many of the HardOCP forum members are running over clocked Pentium4's or Athlon Mobile XPs. These options are popular because the processors and motherboards are relatively inexpensive and can be pushed to perform at high levels. The downside to an overclocked solution is that as mature technologies, there are few upgrade options to look forward to.

This may be a bit overwhelming, but if you've got any questions about any of it, I would again recommend the forums over at HardOCP.