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nearmiss
01-01-2004, 12:43 PM
I'm currently using MSFT FF2 stick, and a left-handed trackball.(Kensington Expert Mouse)

I've thought to add a CH Pro USB pedals, but thought I'd ask whether it would really make a difference or not. The MSFT FF2 has a twist handle for rudder.

Currently, I use my trackball left-handed like a TrackIR. It is probably one of the better tools I use with IL2-FB.

I'd appreciate any comments.

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nearmiss
01-01-2004, 12:43 PM
I'm currently using MSFT FF2 stick, and a left-handed trackball.(Kensington Expert Mouse)

I've thought to add a CH Pro USB pedals, but thought I'd ask whether it would really make a difference or not. The MSFT FF2 has a twist handle for rudder.

Currently, I use my trackball left-handed like a TrackIR. It is probably one of the better tools I use with IL2-FB.

I'd appreciate any comments.

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Mike_Green
01-01-2004, 12:56 PM
Pedals are an expensive upgrade, but if you can afford them they are a worthwhile investment. They won't change your life but you won't want to go back if you do get pedals. Main benefits -

* More realistic and immersive
* Allows finer control
* Allows any amount of accurate rudder input indefinitely (useful, for instance, in a plane with no rudder trim)
* More comfortable - less stress on the wrist, potentially avoiding RSI problems
* Toe brakes give you variable brake pressure

The CH Pro pedals are very well built and should give you no problems.

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GoodKn1ght
01-01-2004, 01:06 PM
i just bought the ch pro pedals and id i have to say im very satisfied with them. I was previously using a twist stick for rudder. I find now that my shots are more accurate because when i was using the twist stick, i was applying rudder and not even realizing it, causing my shots to be off. Also the pedals are just cool.

Bearcat99
01-01-2004, 03:26 PM
Pedals will definitely increase yoiur immersion factor...

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Old_Canuck
01-01-2004, 03:27 PM
I use the CH Pro pedals and they're great once you've got them positioned on a surface where they won't skid around. Like the man said, once you've gotten used to them you wont want to got back. Yesterday in QMB I was flying over a bandit on a head on pass and rolled 90 degrees and kicked hard rudder to swing the nose down. When I reviewed the track later and saw the hits it was one of those "whoooooaaaa kewl" moments. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW, I too use mouse view with the left hand and sometimes TrackIR ... still not totally comfortable with TIR.

If you're really into flight sims and you can afford it, you wont regret the rudder pedals.

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georgeo76
01-01-2004, 04:13 PM
Pedals will improve your game. Using a "twist" stick is, IMHO is asking too much of one hand. Pedals are expensive, but once you've got a set, you'll wonder how you ever got along w/o them. This is especially true of the LW AC, the 109 in particular. Effective gunnery requires good rudder control and w/ the lack of trim in the LW AC you'll do much better w/ the pedals.

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Slammin_
01-01-2004, 05:57 PM
Peddles are required.

Wait, I just can't help myslf:

"Using a "twist" stick is, IMHO is asking too much of one hand."


Priceless!

Sabla
01-02-2004, 12:03 AM
If you can't afford pedals right now, you can use the pedals of a Wheeled controller like MS Force Feedback Wheel and just map the gas and brake pedals as the rudder. I set the wheel and pedals up as a 2nd controller. It works extremely well for me. No toe brakes, but better than a twisty stick.

As soon as I can find a spare game-port connector, I am going to convert the pedals to stand alone configuration. I will use a game-port to USB converter to install it as a "human interface device" under Windows. I will no doubt add a few switches while I am at it for brakes and ....whatever.

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Ben_Pond
01-02-2004, 12:13 AM
I went from using a twist stick to rudder pedals, and it was a heck of a transition. I instantly sucked. I had to get used to using both of my legs, rather than just a quick wrist movement.

But after some time, I got used to them, and I'd never go back. It definitely adds to the immersion, and if you have the cash to spare, you'd probably find the purchase well worth it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

pourshot
01-02-2004, 12:21 AM
Just make your own pedals,if you do a search of the net you will find lots of sites that show how to make simple home made jobs.

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nearmiss
01-02-2004, 06:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pourshot:
Just make your own pedals,if you do a search of the net you will find lots of sites that show how to make simple home made jobs.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your pedals look very good!

I agree you could probably build a better set, but there are a few issues of concern.

1) USB connection

2) controller software

3) Toe Brakes

I'll check around on the web to see what I can find. If you have some links, put'em up.

Thanks for your response.

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reddevil49
01-02-2004, 07:28 AM
You will never go wrong using pedals. I think they are an absolute must. For the immerstion factor and plane control they can't be beat. I have had the old game port ch pedals since cfs came out and have had no problems with them. IMO you can't gor wrong getting a set of pedals,you will love them

Old_Canuck
01-02-2004, 07:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nearmiss:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pourshot:
Just make your own pedals,if you do a search of the net you will find lots of sites that show how to make simple home made jobs.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your pedals look very good!

I agree you could probably build a better set, but there are a few issues of concern.

1) USB connection

2) controller software

3) Toe Brakes

I'll check around on the web to see what I can find. If you have some links, put'em up.

Thanks for your response.

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roadczar
01-02-2004, 08:35 AM
When using USB pedals is it possible to turn off the twist throttle control on the MS FF2 stick?

Bearcat99
01-02-2004, 08:40 AM
Just assign the rudder to the pedals in the HOTAS ection of FB. I use my twist rudder for rudder trim now..

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Dunkelgrun
01-02-2004, 09:32 AM
The CH Pro Pedals are damn expensive here in the UK (100+), but I've not regretted getting them one bit. Everything relevant has been said in the other posts, apart from this: there will be a short period when you are twisting the stick like mad having forgotten you've your feet on the pedals. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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Udidtoo
01-02-2004, 10:16 AM
I was just wondering if CH pedals are considered the cream or are there other good options at decent prices.

Now that I'm able to make a kill or 2 in FR its time to up the ante.


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XyZspineZyX
01-02-2004, 10:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Sabla

If you can't afford pedals right now, you can use the pedals of a Wheeled controller like MS Force Feedback Wheel and just map the gas and brake pedals as the rudder.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it possilbe to use gameport pedals from a steering wheel setup at the same time as a USB stick under Windows 98?

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resev
01-02-2004, 10:42 AM
One question for CH pedals users.

Is the spacing beetween the pedals confortable?

I'm asking because it seems to be quite cramped, and me beeing a big guy, i need confortabe room for the legs and feets, not to mention having enough room to avoid crunching my........er.....stones.

I was thinking for the future, about the Simpeds, but as far as i heard, they are mad expensive, but they do seem to be spacious.

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Slammin_
01-02-2004, 10:52 AM
See if you can find some Thrustmaster RCS pedals. I've had mine for more than 10 years and they are spaced farther apart than any others I've seen, not to mention how durable they are. They are all aluminum and take a beating!

resev
01-02-2004, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slammin_:
See if you can find some Thrustmaster RCS pedals. I've had mine for more than 10 years and they are spaced farther apart than any others I've seen, not to mention how durable they are. They are all aluminum and take a beating!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I googled for it.
Seems to be quite rugged and confortable.
The Thrustmaster website does not showcase it, so i guess they don't comercialize them any more, and i'l probably have to buy refurbished from somewhere.

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Sabla
01-02-2004, 06:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beebop_54:
[QUOTE]
Sabla

If you can't afford pedals right now, you can use the pedals of a Wheeled controller like MS Force Feedback Wheel and just map the gas and brake pedals as the rudder.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it possilbe to use gameport pedals from a steering wheel setup at the same time as a USB stick under Windows 98?

[end of quote]


I'm not sure, I no longer have Win98 on any of my pc's. Just give it a try and see. No harm can come from trying!!
You could also hook your gameport set up to a gameport to USB converter. Available at Radio Shack for about $15-$19. Also online, probably on eBay also.

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XyZspineZyX
01-02-2004, 07:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sabla:
I'm not sure, I no longer have Win98 on any of my pc's. Just give it a try and see. No harm can come from trying!!
You could also hook your gameport set up to a gameport to USB converter. Available at Radio Shack for about $15-$19. Also online, probably on eBay also.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks. I'll give it a shot.

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Ben_Pond
01-03-2004, 06:30 AM
Resev, I'm 5'10" and 170lbs, and they fit like a sock! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif The only issue I've had with mine, is that they will sometimes slide on the carpet if I get too squirelly with them.

bazzaah2
01-03-2004, 07:02 AM
yup - I'm about 2m and 85kilos abnd my CH pedals are just fine.

Pedals are great...

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horseback
01-04-2004, 12:15 AM
I've had a CH setup for almost a year now, and I'll never go back. I shopped around and found that I could get the Pro Pedals at a local retailer (Marv Golden) for $100 USD (I think the Combat Stick was under $70 there), and the Pro Throttle for $110 at Frys'. There's no reason (short of abject poverty) to not get pedals, if that's something you will use a lot.

CH Products website lists a number of retail distributors who charge less than the MSR; if you're in North America, it should not be hard to get Pro Pedals for a good price. If you have a friend in the vicinity of a good outlet, you could probably get them 'secondhand' from him without the excessive shipping and handling fees.

Cheers

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LEXX_Luthor
01-04-2004, 12:47 AM
Okay, how often do these CH pedals break down?

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Deathsledge
01-04-2004, 06:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GoodKn1ght:
i just bought the ch pro pedals and id i have to say im very satisfied with them. I was previously using a twist stick for rudder. I find now that my shots are more accurate because when i was using the twist stick, i was applying rudder and not even realizing it, causing my shots to be off. Also the pedals are just cool.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Goodknight is definately right on the money here, i too used a twist stick for years on all the sims i've played and noticed that you apply rudder even when you dont think you are and that usually makes for poor shots. we all know when theres too much slip, the shots arent placed where you intend them to go sometimes and that also depletes your ammo without even getting a kill.
investing in the CH Pro rudders has definately made playing FB alot more fun and immersive. one stipulation though especially if you have windows XP and a saitek joystick:

Yeah! This is an Age-Old Problem! Here's what to do.

You need to control the Serial # that windows gives the controllers. What we need to do here is to clean the registry and start with a clean (No Controller installed) state.

1. Go here: http://www.chproducts.com/retail/tech_support_usb.html and download CH Pro Delete, a small utility.

2. You should have Nuke USB. It comes with the Saitek hardware. Now run Nuke USB. This removes your Joystick.

3. Now run CH Pro Delete. This removes your pedals.

4. Unplug both controllers and Reboot.

5. Plug in your Joystick, X-45. It will regain the #1 position.

6. Reboot and plug in your CH Pro pedals. They should now be in position #2.

7. Reboot and the controller positions should stick.

this helps with those problems. goodluck

steve_v
01-04-2004, 07:32 AM
Deathsledge

This does not work in XP. Like it or not, the pedals are assigned and remain the #1 controller, sasitek #2.

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flyingskid2
01-04-2004, 08:42 AM
I built my own pedals

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