View Full Version : My favorite aircraft in AEP set.

03-04-2004, 04:35 AM
Its Me-163.

Even if I can use just small time engine, I would prefer to fly this aircraft on DF.... If it will be not banned....
Of course I mean realistic settings on DF.

1) Maneuverable like Yak-3 on relativetely low speed.
2) Excellent acceleration from low speed and superclimb.

In modeling we use German and Soviet data of evaluation as well as book of test-bed pilot of this plane.

We just don't model failures with that dangerous fuel.

03-04-2004, 04:35 AM
Its Me-163.

Even if I can use just small time engine, I would prefer to fly this aircraft on DF.... If it will be not banned....
Of course I mean realistic settings on DF.

1) Maneuverable like Yak-3 on relativetely low speed.
2) Excellent acceleration from low speed and superclimb.

In modeling we use German and Soviet data of evaluation as well as book of test-bed pilot of this plane.

We just don't model failures with that dangerous fuel.

03-04-2004, 04:48 AM
Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
We just don't model failures with that dangerous fuel.

Why is that, Oleg? Failures, if they are real not myths, should be modelled.

03-04-2004, 04:49 AM
i have fly all planes by now, they all seem great, of curse i havent flythem much time, but the comet sure flyes nice.... what about the b1 rocket? sometimes i feel it needs alot of work on fly model?

My fav is Bf110, I like versavility of this aircraft, good for ground atack and can take care of him self against enemy fighters, i havent tray all loadouts yet, but that gunpot cannon pointing a little bit down, is nice and fun.

03-04-2004, 04:50 AM
Originally posted by Magister__Ludi:

Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
We just don't model failures with that dangerous fuel.

Why is that, Oleg? Failures, if they are real not myths, should be modelled.

The we need to model it for any plane, including these that are with Merlins :)

03-04-2004, 04:51 AM

03-04-2004, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:

Originally posted by Magister__Ludi:

Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
We just don't model failures with that dangerous fuel.

Why is that, Oleg? Failures, if they are real not myths, should be modelled.

The we need to model it for any plane, including these that are with Merlins :)

Yep that's potentially dangerous, if not explosive, I understand :D

03-04-2004, 05:17 AM
Me~163 Smoke exhaust is Awsum pretty.


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03-04-2004, 05:40 AM

Thank You very much for AEP. It is just fantastic!

The Gladiator/J8 is a work of art - simply a beautiful aircraft.

I enjoy flying all the airplanes but my favorite will always be the FW190 :-)

Also - Thanks for the Ta-152H!!! :-)


03-04-2004, 05:47 AM
Also, the spinning turbine blades on the Go-229 as well as the air brakes on the outer wings are a very nice effect!


03-04-2004, 07:18 AM
Yes if we model such things then Tempests and Typhoons will spontaneously light on fire every 1 in 15 times (just guessing) you start the engine :D

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03-04-2004, 07:25 AM
For me it goes without saying that I am quite fond of the TA152...the work on it is superb (and thanks for making a cleaner, simpler void.bmp without all the mapping problems of the D9!) I like the feel of it and the handling qualities are great, but yet different from the FW series. To me it seems like what a veteran FW pilot must notice when converting to the type...certain things are the same as he would expect of a characteristic 190, other things are new and different and open the range of his possibilities in combat. Very nicely done indeed.

I'd say thats a powerful statement about the FM modelling in game...if you fly one plane long enough you get to know it like the back of your hand, if you fly another in the series you can immediately feel the differences, even the very minor ones. I fly the FW 90% of the time, in particular the Dora and after flying the TA152 the differences in the FM's are very noticable...and much appreciated.

Thanks for including the Ta152 and thanks for such fine work on the FM's



03-04-2004, 08:16 AM
How are you guys able to fly the Me-163? I've tried it in a single mission as well as online and as soon as I spawn on the ground it says engine inoperable.

03-04-2004, 08:31 AM
"How are you guys able to fly the Me-163? I've tried it in a single mission as well as online and as soon as I spawn on the ground it says engine inoperable."

known bug. workaround is go to difficulties and enable air-starts.

03-04-2004, 08:49 AM
^ Ok that makes sense I'll have to try that. Thnx.

03-04-2004, 09:00 AM
I can`t believe you Oleg... picked the jet over good ole 109 :D



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03-04-2004, 09:44 AM
rocket :P
cdm is good for 190, lost a machine gun just now on mistel mission, i was like :D:D:D
also ai flying more b n z :))


03-04-2004, 10:02 AM
while i was able to connect last night i was low and saw a plane up high, it looked like a U2 lol...

03-04-2004, 10:25 AM
Oleg, I love you for that :D. It will also be my plane of choice when I finally can have AEP. I just can't wait to fly that interesting thing :happy:

03-04-2004, 10:40 AM
I anxiously await to climb into anyone of Gibbage's models. Especially the P-38. And I am also very much looking foward to flying the 109Z, and blowing one of Gibbage's P-38's out of the sky with it!


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03-04-2004, 10:49 AM
Me-163 is a blast, literally. Ta-152 is sweet and feels very well-modelled (thanks Oleg). Go-229 flies like a dream. He-162...well...I'm just glad the thing holds together LOL. P-38 just oozes coolness, I'll definitely be spending some time riding the Lightning. Gladiator is a masterpiece. I could go on but the bottom line is great job with the expansion Oleg, your hard work is appreciated more than you know.

Having said all of this, I still love my trusty FW-190A-9 the most 8).


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[This message was edited by Hunde_3.JG51 on Fri March 05 2004 at 11:33 PM.]

03-04-2004, 11:05 AM
Oleg, what's your evaluation of the Me-163 vs. the BI-1 (in the sim, in RL) ? Pros or cons.

*Oh, admins. Should'nt this thread be a sticky ?*

Me 163 is better

[This message was edited by Oleg_Maddox on Fri March 05 2004 at 06:23 AM.]

03-04-2004, 06:11 PM

03-04-2004, 07:06 PM
how to start me163s engine on ground?

03-05-2004, 06:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HQ1:
how to start me163s engine on ground?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That will be addressed in the next free patch, apparently.

"1. Me-163 has inoperable engine with starting on the ground or after landing, if started in air. Fixed" http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=731107852&p=1

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03-05-2004, 01:33 PM
BF 109 Z SO FAR!!!! IT RLZ!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

03-05-2004, 08:40 PM
Horten, can kill anything.

Spitfire, sweet.

Mistel, KABOOM.

BF110, die in style http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

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03-06-2004, 12:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hartmann.:
BF 109 Z SO FAR!!!! IT RLZ!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, indeed ! Make it B 109Z for me too.

Now, add DB605ASCs or DB605DCs with MW50 @2000hp, Galland hood and replace the Mk108s with 4 X MG151/20 or actually 5 of them if you add one in the center wing and you would have the ultimate fighting machine. Very fast on the deck, and reasonably manoeuvrable to boot....http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bf 110G-2 close second.


03-06-2004, 12:49 AM
For me I would have to say it's a tie between the P-38, P-80 and P-51C. And I am really liking the K-14 gunsite. Map the settings to your CH and have fun. Thanks Oleg, splendid job. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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03-07-2004, 04:55 AM
I have some stuff about the Komet...


6. Stall characteristics were abrupt and severe and taxed the skills of even experienced fighter pilots.

RO: the plane was equipped with leading-edge slots that eliminated stalls and caused it to mush forward in a mode that was immediately recoverable. The plane would not spin and was intentionally designed to be docile for low-time pilots.

(in FB it can be quite *****y in terms of spin)

Also, the throttle needs some work. I think you want to simulate 3 different throttle settings. But it jumps back and forth all the time when using the throttle. Normally it should settle at 4 points, 0, 33, 66 and 100%, but in FB it hops between 2 of them all the time. Let me drscribe it:
I start with 0%. Then I move the trottle slowly to 100%. It jumps to 33%, then it jumps back to 0%, then again 33% and so on. That until I pass 33%. Then the same happens with 33 and 66%, and past 66% the same with 66% and 100%.

Also, I wonder if these throttle settings are realistic. I remember reading somewhere about it, that it had 3 throttle settings, but they were something like 100%, ~50% and 25% if I recall that correctly. I can't find it anymore, I just know that there were quite precise thrust values given for all three settings in lb unit. On the other hand, I read it had a stepless throttle, where you could apply anthing between 100hp and 4000hp. It was on a site called "The Flightline mainpage" which is down for quite some time. Link was http://www.kotfsc.com/warbirds/ . Maybe it had a stepless throttle which snapped in at 3 positions. Don't know, I don't have Mano Ziegler's book http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Maybe it's descibed in there.

BTW just googling again and I found this in Rudy Opitz interview below a pic of the cockpit:

"Five-position throttle: off, ground idle, flight idle, cruise, max power."


"You had unrestricted throttle control from ground idle to flight idle to cruise power to full power."

So we're missing one throttle position. Plus I read out of that "unrestricted throttle control" that it's stepless http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif . I can't imagine any other sense of that statement.

So at least you should add another throttle setting, but maybe it would be correct to have a throttle that works steplessly from 2,5-100% (in BI-1 it works from 41-100%). Those 5 settings would be 0, 25, 50, 75 and 100% then, or, if you or someone else can find precise values, proper % settings which could be something like 0, 10, 30, 50 and 100%. But I clearly would be glad about just that 25% steps. It's really enough improvement to just add the 5th setting.

PS: Didn't it have a fuel gauge?? Just watching the clock is a bit unreliable, because I don't use just 100 or just 66% throttle http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

PPS: How about some R4M rockets??


R4M tests, on Me-163A though. Maybe there are also tests on B-1?

PPPS: I just love that thing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

03-07-2004, 05:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:

PPS: How about some R4M rockets??

sorry willey, but we need the panzerblitz rockets first http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

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03-07-2004, 08:20 AM
Of course we need PB II. But the R4M are in FB already http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Should be much easier to add existing rockets/bombs to planes than making new ones.

03-12-2004, 08:37 AM
Bump for the jumpy throttle issue

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-12-2004, 09:19 AM

LOL...you gotta love a designer who still gets a kick out of his own creation.

Personally, I don't have a favorite plane in AEP. There are many that are great fun to fly depending on the situation. I don't specialize in anything, but enjoy the challenge of flying the low-end performers (read:crap planes) against good pilots.


03-13-2004, 09:01 PM
Well Tbolt you gotta figure he has a passion for it, all the updates, all the changes made in pursuit of perfection. . all the stuff he puts up with in the forums. . .and of course if you fly the sim his passion for it is obvious as well! I think thats the magic ingredient with this series of sims.

I used to see him online in the wee hours of the morning (in the US anyway) flying his 109 Red 13 for hours on end just like the rest of us who love his sim, im sure he still does when he gets the chance!

S! and Thanks again for all your efforts Oleg!

I know I can't pick a favorite, I spend ten minutes at the arming screen just pondering what to fly next. . .

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03-13-2004, 10:21 PM
My favorite is the Fw190A. I thought Aces was just a "more targets pack". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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03-14-2004, 02:22 AM
You'd love a Ta-152C with MK 108s added in the outer wing "slots" even more then http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Man, 4 20mms and 3 30mms http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif. If that's not gonna blast away stuff, something's off.

03-14-2004, 04:33 PM
S! Oleg http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Actually I like them all. If I were to be forced at cannon point to chose one plane I guess it would be the P-38J http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

03-14-2004, 08:01 PM
I love all the new stuff, but favorites are:

YP-80A because I've always loved it. Besides, it's the most maneuverable jet and I like the "Acemaker" sight even if jet dogfights move a little too fast to get all the rangesetting and knob-twiddling done. Gibbs should make a series P-80A. The only real difference would be the addition of speedbrakes.

Go 229A-1 because it looks SO RADICAL! Plus it's got speedbrakes and those two cannon devastating.

Me 163B-1. How can you NOT love a plane you can take to 612 mph at sea level followed by an unbroken near-vertical climb to 85,500 feet, gliding past the sound barrier on the way back down?

He 162A-2. It's fast. It's got an ejection seat. It's got an engine on top of it. 'Nuff said.

P-38. Those opposite-rotating twin engines radiate coolness.

I.A.R. 80 and 81C. Where else can you fly indigenous Romanian fighters?

You know what planes I would like to see? P-59A and B Airacomet. Sure, they were really poor as jet fighters go, but just to fly the first American jet airplanes. On that note, how about the Gloster Meteor? F.Mk. I and F.Mk. III for certain, and F.Mk. 4 perhaps if it was in service before 1946.

Oh. You can tell I have a thing for early jets.

03-14-2004, 09:16 PM
Oleg, Good luck on finding realistic settings - 90% of the servers running now are for pansies http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


03-14-2004, 09:24 PM
I love practically all the aircraft in FB and AEP. I can't choose one or two favorites. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oleg, when do you normally fly online, if you ever get the chance to anymore? I'm sure lots of folks here would love to play with a professional game designer, just think, how neat would that be? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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03-14-2004, 09:30 PM
my favs the spit, looks great Vs a bit slow but a little alt fixes that, it dosnt like ki43c swarms tho.


03-15-2004, 01:32 AM
The Me163 is pretty sweet, but i'm liking the He162 quite alot, just too bad it doesn't have enough ammo. But it flies so nice I guess i'll just have to learn to aim better (I actually like the way it yaws when you roll, I think it helps).

03-15-2004, 03:21 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
I can`t believe you Oleg... picked the jet over good ole 109 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif [QUOTE]

I believe that is not the case. Oleg said favorite of AEP, not FB.
Great quality of Komet is it's gliding characteristic. Also, did you see a picture or maybe a video of Komet taking off and zoom climbing. Just imagine what WWII pilots felt like flying in a rocket glider and climbing like a bullet.

03-15-2004, 06:52 AM
I love the 229 "Flying Wing" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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03-15-2004, 11:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fillmore:
"How are you guys able to fly the Me-163? I've tried it in a single mission as well as online and as soon as I spawn on the ground it says engine inoperable."

known bug. workaround is go to difficulties and enable air-starts.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good to find this out - I've been trying all combinations of engine/throttle settings in the single Me163 mission and the FMB. Question. Is "enable air starts" a new difficulty setting? I haven't played with the difficulty settings since upgrading to AEP and a lot of planes (including the jets now)do have this capability. I'll try it out this evening.

Too bad Oleg didn't want to model failure/explosion rate of rocket engine. We get the gravity carbs in old planes, sensitive jets to throttle misuse, so I don't see why the Me163 is not modelled as the near death-trap it was in real life. Without this we end up with a super plane with no real limitations except its powered endurance and limited ammo - which given the short durations of most QMB missions -inaccurately makes it a great air-superiority machine

03-15-2004, 11:37 AM
Oleg posted earlier that they did not model in the dangerous rocket fuel of the rocket planes (BI-1, ME-163) because if they did, they would be obligated to model in other engine/fuel problems other planes experienced, like the risk of engine catching on fire at start-up. I would ask others about it, I can't remember the exact engines or detals about them in which this has happened.

Several other things are not modeled in as well... Like guns freezing in cold weather, gun jams when trying to fire under a high-G situation (with some planes) and the tendency for wings to snap off a plane under massive G pressure (try going into mach tuck in a BI-1 and inverting) or a violent high-speed pull-up in the KI-84.

Do remember that this is a simulator and programming in these things would really only draw maybe a couple more die-hard realism fans. Time and money and practical affects must be taken into consideration.

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03-15-2004, 03:40 PM
Now that you mention it...it would be real nice to model high-G airframe stress. Definitely an important part of air combat!

03-15-2004, 10:23 PM
My favorire AC inb ACE so far are the Spit V, P-38, P-63, P-80, He 162, & Ta 152. That He 162 is just a blast to buzz around in http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Concerning realism then we'd have ppl realy posting here when their .50's jammed in the P-51B, or the MK 108 jammed every 3rd round etc.

I could just here ppl posting here when their 109's engine exploded at 80% power because of material shortages.

Or finding out 30mm ammunition had it's HE charge removed, and replaced by notes from slave labour factory workers saying it's all we can do for now . etc. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif....

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04-01-2004, 01:33 AM
After flying nearly all the AEP planes for a week or so I cant find a favourite they are all superb in thier own way, but I love the Krazy Komet hehehe buzzing the B17's in that is mad !!!!!!!



04-01-2004, 03:47 AM
Spits of all ilks are great and just love the Ta152. Just messes with everything up high - brilliant; who needs jets? And the 110 and Lightning are both cool. In fact its all great. even enjoyed the what if missions..

Love AEP overall - best money (in gaming terms) I've spent in a little while (since FB really). Great stuff so thanks Oleg and team!

Any chance of a map for French and southern England coasts so us Spit-liking types can take off from Blighty to give the Hun a good bashing over the Channel? I'll give you a quid, go on!


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04-01-2004, 01:15 PM
Oleg, the new aircraft are fantastic (I appreciate the Me110 the most), but the most fantastic feature of AEP is the online campaign generator (NGen)... this feature has brought IL-2/FB back to life for many of us! Thank you!

- Mithel

04-01-2004, 01:44 PM
oleg. nice add-ons, nice patches.. but im not getting my moneys worth.. i still fly YAK 9K almost exclusively since day of IL-2 release.

so im paying more money to fly the same plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif LOL

no other A/C fits me like a glove thx oleg http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

04-01-2004, 01:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Magister__Ludi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
We just don't model failures with that dangerous fuel.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why is that, Oleg? Failures, if they are real not myths, should be modelled.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The we need to model it for any plane, including these that are with Merlins http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And Lavochkins too? I could see how that would be a problem

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