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_Bootlegger_
07-10-2004, 02:48 PM
I don't know that much about the Avenger.

Is that a belly gun I see on it in the Dev. update?
Could someone give me some specs on that bird.
Speed at sea level,armorment..etc...etc...etc...

Thanks in advance.

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Yet when we got there they somehow still had beer.
Germany obviously had a very highly evolved society."

_Bootlegger_
07-10-2004, 02:48 PM
I don't know that much about the Avenger.

Is that a belly gun I see on it in the Dev. update?
Could someone give me some specs on that bird.
Speed at sea level,armorment..etc...etc...etc...

Thanks in advance.

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"We flattened their country. Completely flattened their country.
Yet when we got there they somehow still had beer.
Germany obviously had a very highly evolved society."

lkemling
07-10-2004, 03:01 PM
Can't give the spec's on the Avenger but yup the TBF/TBMs did have a tunnel gun to protect their underside.probably a 30.caliber

VW-IceFire
07-10-2004, 03:57 PM
Links:
http://www.cavanaughflightmuseum.com/Aircraft/Avenger/Page1.html
http://www.olympicflightmuseum.com/aircraft_gallery/tbm.htm
http://s96920072.onlinehome.us/AWA1/501-600/walk592_TBM-Avenger_Cochran/walk592.htm

All machine guns were M2 .50cal type (one forward, one on the turret, one on the belly gun. The Avenger is the typical Grumman bird. Tough, barrel shaped fuselage, and a successful plane overall.

Its initial combat action was at Midway (I think there were 6 of them) and I believe all were shot down but its career later in the war was overall very good. The initial losses more representative of what any torpedo group went through to strike the target.

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Yellonet
07-10-2004, 03:57 PM
Yes, I think it was a .30 cal. MG On top there were one or two .50 cal. MG, and two fixed forward firing fifties I believe.


- Yellonet

Gunner_361st
07-10-2004, 04:17 PM
For you, Shrike. The following information is from the book "World War II Aircraft" by Christopher Chant.

"Grumman (Eastern) TBM-1C Avenger

Type: Three-seat naval torpedo-bomber

Engine: One Wright R-2600-8 Double Cyclone fourteen-cylinder air-cooled radial, 1,700 Horsepower at take-off

Armament: defensive: two fixed 0.50-inch Browning machine-guns in the wings, one flexible 0.50-inch Browning machine-gun in the dorsal turret, and one flexible 0.30-inch Browning machine-gun in the ventral turret
offensive: one 22-inch (55.9-cm) torpedo or up to 2,000 pounds (907 kg) of bombs

Maximum Speed: 257 mph at 12,000 feet (414 km/h at 3,658 meters)

Cruising Speed: 242 mph (389 km/h)

Initial Climb Rate: 1,350 fpm (411 m/minute)

Climb: 13 minutes to 10,000 feet (3,048 meters)

Service Ceiling: 21,400 feet (6,523 m)

Range: 1,105 miles (1,778 km) with a torpedo; 2,335 miles (3,758 km) with no offensive load

Weights: 10,555 pounds (4,788 kg) empty; 16,412 pounds (7,444 kg) loaded: 17,364 pounds (7,534 kg) gross

Span: 54 feet 2 inches (16.51 m)

Length: 40 feet (12.19 m)

Height: 16 feet 5 inches (5 meters)

Wing Area: 490 square feet (45.52 m squared)

The navy (US) had already placed orders for 286 production aircraft some eight months before the first prototype flew in August 1941, and the TBF was accepted for service in December 1941. The first production aircraft reached the navy in January of the following year, and units began to work up on the new torpedo-bomber as quickly as possible. Despite the disaster of its first air combat, in which five of the six TBF-1's despatched were shot down (at Midway), orders of the type grew, with Grumman unable to match production with demand. The Eastern Aircraft Division of the General Motors Corporation was therefore asked to undertake production of the Avenger, as well as continuing production of the other Grumman type it was building, the Wildcat fighter. Eastern began to deliver Avengers, with the designation TBM-1, in November 1942, eight months after orders had been placed. Grumman also continued production until early in 1944, in that time building 1,525 TBF-1 and 764 TBF-1Cs, the latter having two-fixed 0.50 inch guns in the wings in place of the initial single gun in the engine cowling. Eastern built 550 TBM-1s and 2,332 TBM-1Cs to a similar specification. Other versions of the basic TBF-1 mark were the TBF-1D with radar, the TBF-1CP with special cameras as a reconnaissance aircraft, the TBF-1E with radar, and the TBF-1L with a small searchlight in the bomb-bay; Eastern built similar models. The Royal Navy accepted 395 Avengers of the TBF-1B type under the designations first of Tarpon and then of Avenger I, and then 334 TBM-1Cs as Avenger IIs.

Total Avenger production reached 9,839, with Grumman contributing 2,293 and Eastern the other 7,546. British orders for the type amounted to 1,058 aircraft, but only 921 were delivered to the Royal Navy, a further 63 going to the Royal New Zealand Air Force. In British service the TBM-3 was designated Avenger III, the TBM-3E Avenger AS Mark 4, and the cancelled TBM-4 Avenger IV."

Hope that answers your curiousity. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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heywooood
07-10-2004, 04:21 PM
ya beat me to it, Gunner... one of my favorite birds, be sure.



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Texas LongHorn
07-11-2004, 01:41 AM
Yep, the Avenger is simply the coolest bird around, the only competition being the "aluminum beer keg with wings," the fabulous Wildcat. To be fair, I followed some of the Avenger links and think some are wrong, the belly gun was a Thirty, I remember seeing one in the late sixties. Think about it, a Fifty is HUGE! No room my friends. All the best, LongHorn

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_Bootlegger_
07-11-2004, 07:17 AM
Thanks Gunner http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Above and beyond the call, M8.

~S~

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"We flattened their country. Completely flattened their country.
Yet when we got there they somehow still had beer.
Germany obviously had a very highly evolved society."

Gunner_361st
07-11-2004, 09:25 AM
Glad I could give you a hand; I am looking forward to flying anything with engines and wings thats coming to us in Pacific Fighters (I hope they remember the bombers! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

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