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Mysticpuma2003
06-10-2004, 02:55 AM
posted 10-06-04 01:44
OK, all you P-47 fans, I have a request from you. I have decided to make my last movie and I intend it to be part fictional and part factual, or maybe all factual depending on the story.
Do any of you out there know of a great story, event, tragedy, based around the P-47 which could make a final movie for me?
If so, please contact me at:

neilpugh34@hotmail.com

It would be useful if you could give me some background info, and if possible a link to more details, thanks, Neil.

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Mysticpuma2003
06-10-2004, 02:55 AM
posted 10-06-04 01:44
OK, all you P-47 fans, I have a request from you. I have decided to make my last movie and I intend it to be part fictional and part factual, or maybe all factual depending on the story.
Do any of you out there know of a great story, event, tragedy, based around the P-47 which could make a final movie for me?
If so, please contact me at:

neilpugh34@hotmail.com

It would be useful if you could give me some background info, and if possible a link to more details, thanks, Neil.

http://www.aqqm31.dsl.pipex.com/Mysticpuma.jpg

WOLFMondo
06-10-2004, 03:12 AM
It can't be your last movie! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Mysticpuma2003
06-10-2004, 04:03 AM
It can!

But only until Pacific Fighters comes out....I have something real special lined up for that!

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1.JaVA_Razer
06-10-2004, 05:24 AM
Nice,http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'll see what I can dig up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But if ya make it,would u mind making a attacking of boats/trains/any groudn target groep(so ltos of'm) to? I like those stuff http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2004, 06:44 AM
Whew! Don't scare us like that. Your last movie? I almost had to get out the nitro for my heart! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

You make some excellent movies. Now I have yet another good reason to get Pacific Fighters.

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ST__Pawnee
06-10-2004, 07:04 AM
****! I was thinking of starting a P-47 movie aswell lol! Well, you can get the P-47! I'll go for some Spitfire movie or something hehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Looking forward to it!

Mysticpuma2003
06-10-2004, 07:22 AM
hey Razer, that was the sort of thing I was looking for, but I would like to base it on something factual, but if nothing suitable comes along, I'll just have to go with ship, train, action extravaganza

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Biloxi72
06-10-2004, 07:32 AM
S!
Mystic for references you can look to WW2 magazine i believe in an issue last year (10 issues a year) they did the story of 1 p47 pilot who went on a strafing run deep in france, and talks about getting shot up bad and trying to get back to England by himself, dodging 109s and aaa all the way back. It is a great story and I will try and find it for you if you wish it.

Regards

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WOLFMondo
06-10-2004, 07:42 AM
Didn't Francis Grabreski shoot down 5 planes in one sortie in a P47? Could make a movie from that. Can't find the actual account though but I know there is a site out there which is full of P47 stories and accounts from pilots.

If nothing else its interesting reading.

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Cajun76
06-10-2004, 09:03 AM
If only the P-47N were out, you could do the story of the last Ace-in-a-Day.

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/perdomo/perdomo.htm

Cool story, or just about any mission of Robert S. Johnson could be good material, as well. Looking forward to anything you do, good stuff. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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GScheel
06-10-2004, 10:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RufShod:
S!
Mystic for references you can look to WW2 magazine i believe in an issue last year (10 issues a year) they did the story of 1 p47 pilot who went on a strafing run deep in france, and talks about getting shot up bad and trying to get back to England by himself, dodging 109s and aaa all the way back.
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This sounds a lot like a chapter from a book by Steven Coonts called "War In The Air", or something close to that. The chapter is an excerpt from another book that is the memoir of P-47 pilot.

In the story his flight is jumped from behind and he gets shot up and catches on fire, can't bail out because his canopy is jammed so he ends up gliding back across the channel and making a belly landing. For part of the way he is accompanied by a FW-190 that is out of cannon ammo and pump all of his remaining machine gun ammo into the plane but it keeps going and gets him back to England. It's an amazing story.

Biloxi72
06-10-2004, 11:37 AM
S!
GScheel, i am not sure about the 190 part been a while since i read the article. I knew his squad was targeting trains in france and got shot up. He dropped to lower alt since his canopy was smashed up from lak,no engine coolant nor oil from flak hits to engine and he himself was badly wounded. Cant rember if he bailed like you stated or actually landed his plane then the engine died. I will go home an look through all my past issues.

Eagle_361st
06-10-2004, 12:29 PM
Another great story would be Robert Johnsons experience early in his career with the 56th. He was seperated from his flight and took some pretty heavey damage after being bounced by some of the "Abbeville boys", being all alone and heavily damaged he made for home. Over the channel he noticed a FW was shadowing him, as damaged as he was and not able to bail out he just kept flying. The FW came in and pounded his P-47 twice and riddled his plane with over 200 holes from both his MG's and the 20mm before running out of ammo. After his second attack the FW then pulled alongside Johnson looking at his plane in amazement, shaking his head he saluted Johnson, wagged his wings and escorted him for another 5 minutes or so and then peeled off to return to France. Johnson managed to make it home and crash land without any major damage to himself, but his plane was a wreck and was written off. It is an amazing story and would probably make for a great movie. If you want all of the details I will try to transcribe it form his book and give it to you.

~S!
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Mysticpuma2003
06-11-2004, 02:42 AM
Rufshod, thanks for the feedback, this sounds like just the sort of thing I'm looking for. Also Eagle 361st, that sounds perfect too! I suppose I could make a film of two stories and these sound like just the job, so anymore info you can send me, maybe web links or possible transcripts would be just the ticket, thanks.

neilpugh34@hotmail.com

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gombal40
06-11-2004, 03:38 AM
How about:
P-47 Reigns Supreme over P-51 Mustang
Don Whinnem B-17 Escort Mission
352nd FG ETO -

We were escorting B-17s. I was flying Al Marshall's wing. We got into a mixup and got separated from the Group. I looked over my left shoulder and saw something coming in. I called , 'Al, there's a bandit coming in at 7 o'clock high'.

We did a scissors. Al broke left, I broke right and when I completed my circle it looked like Al was being shot up by an ME109 I put the throttle to the firewall, poured on the water injection and got on his tail. When I got within 200 yards I started firing and got strikes all over the plane. But as soon as he was hit he broke up sharply, and only then did I see the square wingtips and square tail. It was a P-51!

I called our Group Commander, Col. Joe Mason, a real tiger, and said 'Sir,there are some P-51s in the area'. He came back, real caustic, 'The hell they are. They're 109s. Shoot the bastards down'. 'But sir, one of them is a P-51 and I just shot it up pretty good'. Silence.

Well, I located the P-51 again, and by this time he knew we were 47s, so I pulled up alongside to take a look. I didn't know it was Glenn Eagleston, but he looked like he was hurting. There was nothing I could do, so I left him and joined our formation.

I got part of the story later that day and the rest of it 3 months later. It went all the way up to the 8th Fighter Command Hqs......A p-47 had shot up a P-51. Col Mason had to go up there and explain it to the brass. But our story held up. The P-51 was 150 miles off copurse, and his camera film showed him shooting at a P-47.

The trouble was that an FW190 and a P-47 have the same silhouette. You have to see the planview to see the elliptical wings.

Three months later I crash landed near a 9th AF base, and was taken to their hospital with a banged up nose and forehead. Eagleton was stationed there and they knew my name from the flap at Hqs, so he looked me up and we drank beer at the club and flew the mission all over again.

Eagleton swore he was shooting at a FW190, and even my camera film looked like I was shooting at a 109 to our Intelligence Officer. Glenn said the only thing that saved him was the armor shield behind the cockpit.. The bullets came in over his shoulder, hit the instrument panel, knocking most of them out.. When he got to his base it was weathered in and he was forced to bail out. His instruments were too shot up to try it.

And that's how Don Whinnem shot down Glenn Eagleston - something no German pilot was able to do. Glenn ended up with 20 1/2 confirmed victories, tops in the 9th AF. Whinnem was no slouch either. He didn't get credit for that P-51, but he got enough 109s and 190s to make him an Ace.

gombal40
06-11-2004, 03:43 AM
or:
When a miss is better than a hit
Lt. John J. Reynolds Bombing Raid
373rd FG ETO - October 8, 1944

The 373rd Fighter Group received a mission to bomb the German fighter base at Frankfurt au Main on October 8, 1944. ME-210s and 410s were harassing our bombers from there. We took off in group strength (48 planes) and proceeded to target area without incident. As we approached Frankfurt, the German AA put up boxes of flak on the north, south and west sides of the city plus blanket flak at 2500 and 4500 feet.

It was one hot target. Taking evasive action, the squadrons bombed the German planes caught on the ground and pulled off to meet even more intense flak as at least 2 - 88's zeroed in on each plane as it pulled off target. It was the roughest target I'd ever seen. I was the last plane, in the last flight, in the last squadron to go in on target - ole number 48 - and I was puckering scared because the German's got better and better with their AA as each successive plane took his bombs in. I decided to go in real fast to throw the AA Gunners off, so I split S'd down and pushed full throttle forward, from 15,000 feet.

The next thing I knew my jug's nose went under, the stick locked and I couldn't pull it back. Really scared now, I jinked my bombs off not caring where they went, and hauled back on the throttle. I thought to pull the stick back. It wouldn't move. My airspeed was over 600. Then, I remembered what an instructor had told me back in Richmond, how to use my elevator trim tabs in this kind of situation.

Desperately I cranked in positive trim. Nothing happened at first, then slowly the jug's nose started to come up. Praying now, I braced my feet against the dash and pulled back on the stick as hard as I could. The ground was rushing up at me at a furious rate and I had almost given up hope of ever pulling out in time when I felt the stick move back slightly. I pulled even harder and felt that beautiful ole jug respond, then, I started to "grey out" from the terrific G-force on my body as the plane slowly pulled out. I wondered: Would I pull out in time?

Thank God, I did - in the nick of time because I actually saw the tops of trees above me as the plane pointed up still "mushed" down. I gave it full throttle and breathed another "Thank God" as I clawed u out of there. As I looked back the German fields was full of many small fires and a terrible oil fire, mixed with explosions and was burning in a woods at the edge of the field, near the river.

When I rejoined the squadron I heard: "Butcher Green 4, well done". Not understanding I didn't answer. Upon return to base, Sam Marshall our OPS officer and squadron leader, came over to me and said: "how did you know to bomb the woods?" I played dumb, not wanting to admit that I hadn't even tried to bomb a target.

Sam persisted, he said, "you did more damage than all the rest of us put together. I saw your bombs fall into the woods, then all hell broke loose. You hit their oil dump. How did you know it was there"? I told Sam, I 'd missed what I was aiming for and fell short. He said, "you did alright boy - you ought to get a medal for this day's work". I just smiled, what could I say??????


Both stories to be found on http://www.p47pilots.com

Eagle_361st
06-11-2004, 11:32 AM
Will do mate, I will transcribe it and email it to you this weekend. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~S!
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FI-Aflak
06-11-2004, 12:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
If only the P-47N were out, you could do the story of the last Ace-in-a-Day.

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/perdomo/perdomo.htm

Cool story, or just about any mission of Robert S. Johnson could be good material, as well. Looking forward to anything you do, good stuff. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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YEAH! Bob johnson, when he gets nailed early in a mission, attempts to limp back across the channel, gets bounced by a FW-190 who lines up behind him, sprays him with gunfire and nothing happens. The FW pulls up alongside and looks at the plane, shakes his head, and does it again. And again, and again until the FW runs out of ammo and looks at johnson's jug for a while in what can only be described as envy, then leaves. Bob johnson proceeds to rtb and land, wheels down and locked. The plane was a total loss, though.

tttiger
06-11-2004, 01:45 PM
Here's a load of "There I Was" stories from the P-47 Pilot's Association.

The Johnson story is nice but everyone has heard it 10,000 times

http://p47pilots.com/cfm_ThereIWas.cfm?storytype=THEREIWAS&startid=*MIN*&motherlink=cfm_ThereIWas.cfm&showperpage=5

When you get to the last one on the page, hit next, there's lots here.

Amazing what a Google search can do. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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