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TOcarroll
02-12-2004, 08:44 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif I have been trying to practice gunnery with QMB, using my own bombers as targets. I haven't got shot down, but still can't hit the broadside of a barn. Finally I set my convergance to ~ 350 m, and only blast aircraft when they fill the screen. Is this normal??? Also, I am trying to approach at 90 degrees, but it alwys seems to wind up either head on or a tail shpt. What am I doing wrong?

TOcarroll
02-12-2004, 08:44 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif I have been trying to practice gunnery with QMB, using my own bombers as targets. I haven't got shot down, but still can't hit the broadside of a barn. Finally I set my convergance to ~ 350 m, and only blast aircraft when they fill the screen. Is this normal??? Also, I am trying to approach at 90 degrees, but it alwys seems to wind up either head on or a tail shpt. What am I doing wrong?

Bearcat99
02-12-2004, 08:56 PM
first off stop shooting your own bombers. Set unlimited ammo.....give your flight more than the enemy..set the enemy to rookie.... give them inferior planes like a Blenhiem mk1 against say a P-40 but use the enemy not your own bombers... your own bombers wont shoot back and they wont try to evede like a bandit will. Your convergence could be lower.... I set my MGs to @150-225 and cannon from @225-325 or so. just keep practicing. It takes a good whie...this isnt CFS or any other sim you know of...dont be discouraged....it is not easy. No matter how good you get offline...online is a whole different bag. Just keep practicing.

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georgeo76
02-12-2004, 09:12 PM
practice is the key like BC said. Some other things you can do:

Save your missions as tracks and play them back in slow motion to gauge your performance

While were on the topic of slow motion, you can slow down time while your playing to get a better idea of what your doing

Also, there is a file in your main FB directory named conf.ini, open it w/ notepad and alter the following line:

From:

[game]
Arcade=0

To:

[game]
Arcade=1

Doing this will display 'hit arrows' that show where your rounds are hitting.

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Achilles97
02-12-2004, 09:16 PM
Hi, sometimes I practice shooting in the QMB by putting in an enemy plane such as a C47 or something else that's not terribly dangerous. That way I can practice my deflection shooting, and find the best range, etc.

I set my convergence to 250m. I fly a 109 so the convergence is not that important. I never shoot before 300 meters.

Also, it matters where you hit the plane. I know it's hard at first, but try aiming for the engine or cockpit area. If you shot at something from directly behind, you're not really gonna hit anything critical, just the flaps, empennage, etc. If you are directly behind someone, do a quick rudder to the side so you have a better angle at the side of his fuselage, to hit the cockpit and/or engine. Or, just climb up a bit and go back down so you have an angle on the top of his plane. You can do this in reverse to get a shot in on the bottom to damage the radiator or hit fuel tanks. You'll have better success this way rather than continously hitting the guys rudder. Also, some planes have weaknesses. For example, some planes are easy to bring down by shooting the tips of the wings, the wing breaks off.

Also, use your machine guns until you find your target, then shoot the cannon.

I hope that helps.

Lt.Davis
02-12-2004, 09:22 PM
If you just want to practise on gunnery, stop shooting you own bomber, for my suggestion use TB-3 as target (Big enough) and set empty for his plane. (this mean AI gunner will not shoot you back) Aim for the wing/engine.

If you are doing well on the setting, than upgrade you difficulty (at least turn on to default for the payload) or increase few bombers.

It take me more than 20 times just to take off in this game, and i can't get a kill even in the campaign for 6~7 mission when i start playing IL-2 (1st version).

Do not give up, is the only way to improve yourself in this game.

Happy hunting!

Speed is the KEY.

WTE_Wombat
02-13-2004, 07:17 AM
First of all set your convergence to less than 300m (remembering that it only affects wing mounted weapons), 200 to 250m is best.

Then get close but don't fire, you need to be closer, no still closer, CLOSER! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Seriously, gunnery beyond 250m is pretty ineffectual and a 109 takes up half the ring sight of an American gunsight (P40, P47, P51) at 300m so don't fire till it fills the ring at least.

For gunnery practise/training - what we do at WTE is put the shooter in a mk1 hurricane with the weak-as-piss .303 guns (unlimited ammo) and the target flys a late model A series FW190 (because they're really tough).

You let the shooter get behind you and start shooting. Once he's hitting a lot you fly a series of gentle (emphasise gentle) "S" turns to give him a bit of deflection to work with.

Hope this helps.

WTE_Wombat

Flamin_Squirrel
02-13-2004, 07:58 AM
Not sure if people will agree with me here, but as a plane to learn to fly, i think a good way to start is in the Hurri mkIIc.

It is forgiving and has great visability so you can see where your shots are going. This combined with the high velocity rounds from 4 hispano cannon will make learning how to deflection shoot easier.

You have to be more precise than with the .303 equiped variants, but i think this will help you. It will force you to aim properly instead of spray and pray... and you'll know as soon as you hit your target cos it'll fall out the sky http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

flyingskid2
02-13-2004, 08:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TOcarroll:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif I have been trying to practice gunnery with QMB, using my own bombers as targets. I haven't got shot down, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course you haven't been shot down -- they're FRIENDLY, they won't shoot back.

Friendly_flyer
02-13-2004, 09:33 AM
When I need to se where my rounds goe, I stop the game (P-key), enable outside wiev and toggle Ctrl. F2 to I get the plane I,m fireing at. The tracers will usually tell you where you'r shooting. Allso, looking closely at the enemy, you can see if you hit, but don't have much effect on the plane.

I learned gunnery hunting He-111s in an IL2-3M. That way you'll allways see your hits!

Fly friendly!

Petter Bøckman
Norway

jimbolina-1
02-13-2004, 12:43 PM
A previous post said use the HurricaneIIc.(yes thats the plane to use) Soot at a friendly plane like a PE8. It doesnt make any difference what you shoot at it is mostly leading the enemy plane correctly. On your 90Degree attack you must start to aim quite far out front of the enemy plane and slowly bring your sights back toward your enemy. Use unlinited ammo and when you see the parts start to fly check distance and speed and how much the enemy plane fills the sight. If a plane is turning in front of you must aim ahead and above (try a 45degree angle from the nose) Watch the tracers curve off and slowly bring the sights back toward the enemy plane. Soon it will be easy.

The trouble is a real enemy plane changes direction over and over so you must change your lead (infront and above) over and over.

The closer you get to the enemy the less lead you have to allow for and the more damage your guns will do. This saves ammo. If you lose track of the enemy below you turn upside down and follow him by a half roll and pushing the stick forward to stay level. You will easily be able to see him turn and you can flip back over and turn inside him with the Hurricane.

flyingskid2
02-13-2004, 02:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>On your 90Degree attack you must start to aim quite far out front of the enemy plane and slowly bring your sights back toward your enemy. Use unlinited ammo and when you see the parts start to fly check distance and speed and how much the enemy plane fills the sight. If a plane is turning in front of you must aim ahead and above (try a 45degree angle from the nose) Watch the tracers curve off and slowly bring the sights back toward the enemy plane.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The problem is you can't lead too much or the bogey will disappear below your nose (assuming you're not using wonder woman view). So 90degree attacks are hard to lead, you have to attack from the rear quarter (or the front quarter) so you don't need excessive lead.

AlGroover
02-13-2004, 04:14 PM
Try shooting at the Blenheim. They're quite fragile. Open up at 200m (0.20 on your icon display).

SwingerSpecial
02-13-2004, 10:37 PM
Just remember that enemy gunners WILL shoot back - so don't get comfortable with the idea of creeping up on their six at 50% throttle. Practice shooting from a dive coming in from the side or front of the enemy. The idea is to discourage the enemy with repeated quick slashing attacks - sawing a wing off is nice and flashy, but unless you have some serious arsenal with you it can take a while. Shooting out an engine or a fuel tank will not yield immidiate results, but you can pretty much count on that plane coming down sooner or later.

Also, try not to concentrate on where the enemy is now. Instead try to guess where are they GOING to be, then aim there, pull the trigger and make them fly through your spray of bullets. Slash if you can't stab, it'll hurt either way.

Good planes for practicing gunnery:

-Hurricane MK I: with 8 guns you'll be putting out so much lead you're bound to hit something.

-I-153 M62: 4 forward firing machine guns with nice green tracers.

-IL2 single seater: Good size gunsight, nice tracers again, so stable that you could put a full waterglass on the dashboard.