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Saburo_0
02-11-2004, 09:18 AM
Hi, looking for some help flying the 109 G6 vs the La hotrod, please.

Saburo_0
02-11-2004, 09:18 AM
Hi, looking for some help flying the 109 G6 vs the La hotrod, please.

mortoma
02-11-2004, 09:48 AM
Against AI offline or Humans online?? It makes a heck of a difference. It's fairly easy to kill even ace level AI in any plane against any other plane, IMHO. But you will have to practice a lot to kill, for example, KI-84 ( ace AI ) when flying a P-47. I would glady fly a plain G-6 against LA-5FNs if the LAs are AI, but would think 20 times before trying to take a G-6 against even a noobish human pilot in a LA-5FN. As a matter of fact, I'm now going to head over to a FB session pitting the G-6 against LA-5FNs in QMB mode.

georgeo76
02-11-2004, 10:06 AM
If you've got an E advantage, keep it; then shoot him.

If you and the La have equal E, get the advantage; then shoot him.

If the La has the E advantage, get equal E, get the advantage; and shoot him.

The best way to rob an La of E is to force the pilot to preform extreme maneuvers to get an angle on you. Once he dose, dive down to get high speed (@ least 600km/h) and zoom climb. The La will loose elevator authority @ high speed, so when you pull out of the dive, maneuver against the La, forcing him to bleed E to evade. Once he breaks, use hi-YoYos and Immelman to keep him under your thumb. Remember, when you have the advantage, he's going to try and get low and slow, don't follow! It's better to let him get away than to attempt to fight on his terms. Make high speed passing attacks, using only MG if you think your unlikely to hit.


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Saburo_0
02-11-2004, 10:47 AM
Thanks Gerogeo!

Mortoma, I was thinking of online without too many other planes around or one-on-one.
Any suggestions?

mortoma
02-11-2004, 11:02 AM
Well, I'm back and I flew 11 QMB missions, one on one, against ace level LA-5FN. I have track of all but the first 3, since they were nothing to show and I lost fights. Was mostly still familiarizing myself with G-6. I lost number 10 fight too but made track anyway. Here are my results:

1st - Not yet use to flying this plane, stalled very low to the ground and crashed in the middle ensuing turn fight.

2nd - Stupid enough to let AI get me on initial head-on pass. Black screen of death!!

3rd - After first or second turn, the AI got me in head-on pass. Oily windscreen, then Black screen!! Me dead!!

4th - Easily killed AI after discovering my best and tightest turn is to the right, while it's his worse turn in LA. From this point on I usually turned right to take advantage. Discovered that since this model of 109 lacks
boost, it stinks as vertical fighter. Better horizontal fighter to the right. Also discovered 109s are not great gunning platforms, my poor but persistent marksmanship eventually pays off though. Very bouncy nose makes it hard to hit very evasive and nimble LA-5! Also discovered that this plane turns better with combat flaps once below IAS of 290 or so.


5th - Discovered in most cases, initiating a roll to the right is best accomplished using heavy, maybe all right rudder, not just aileron. At least in this particular aircraft. Easily killed AI.....

6th - Killed AI again.

7th - Guess what?? Killed AI again...

8th - Yup, you guessed it..

9th - Got the picture yet?? I'm better than ace AI!!

10th - Oops!! Too overconfident once my success
became the norm. I turned lazily and too slowly into opposite turning bandit, so he got a stable gun solution before me. So he clipped my wing off in a head-on. Low altitude, so I died in fiery explosion on ground. If I would not have taken too long to turn into him, it might have been me the victor.

11th - Long turning fight ended in his plane slowly getting too damaged to fly well. Eventually got him with cannon shot.

[This message was edited by mortoma on Wed February 11 2004 at 10:13 AM.]

[This message was edited by mortoma on Wed February 11 2004 at 10:14 AM.]

crazyivan1970
02-11-2004, 11:07 AM
I am not even sure why LA5-FN is in 1943 setup. Only few planes saw field trials in the fall of 1943 and mass production started at jan of 1944. IMHO this plane belongs in 1944... But that just me.

Can`t really add to anything that has been said here, Peformance of LA5FN drops down after 4K and you can own it around 5K and up. That`s where you wanna be. Also, master spiral climb, main weapon of BF109 series besides guns http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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mortoma
02-11-2004, 11:11 AM
Well now I know you were talking about online against humans. But you might check out my last post anyway and practice against the AI. If not for anything more than getting familiar with flying that particular aircraft on the edge of it's envelope. You will at least end up being better against humans if you know what you and your plane can or cannot do.

crazyivan1970
02-11-2004, 11:13 AM
La5FN on ace is a pretty good competition, take on 4 of them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Saburo_0
02-11-2004, 12:59 PM
Well yu guys are WAY better than i am, that's for sure. Ok Stay High, no WEP= turn, use flaps to advantage, & yeah Ivan is probably right it isn't a fair match up really, unless Finns & Hungary were still using these 1099G6s in '44 ?
I thought the Las turned better to the right & LW planes better to the left. ?? Did I have it backwards ?

I know this is one of the poorer 109s but I always liked the G-6 for some reason, just kinda cute & friendly in my mind.

BfHeFwMe
02-11-2004, 02:41 PM
From 2000 meters on up to 3500 his climb rate drops far quicker than yours. Right at about 4300 his speed drops equal to yours boosted. Below that he's got you beat, more as you drop further. So fighting him in the verticle between 2500 and 4000 would be a good idea. Force him to go up and down again and again, use the better climb to negate his slight edge in speed. Once you get a height advantage use it to slash from above. Whatever you do, don't break the hard deck of 2500, below that your chopped liver.

Zatorski
02-11-2004, 08:09 PM
Saburo_0,
one good move for 109 pilots is when you are low on speed do a fast barrell-roll, crank your joystick over as fast as you can and do the twist. I guarantee you will accelerate 30+k. Try it. Stay high on the LAFN and watch him as he tries to follow you in a climb and peters out and then chop throttle and dive on him. The AI LAFN's will try to circle downwards, circle with them but don't go down in elevation. You have to pick your spots to attack.

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