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Snuffy Smith
07-25-2004, 11:14 AM
WAR DEPARTMENT
OFFICE OF THE CHIEF OF STAFF: 25 July 1945
TO: General Carl Spaatz
Commanding General
United States Army Strategic Air Forces

1. The 509 Composite Group, 20th Air Force will deliver its first
special bomb as soon as weather will permit visual bombing after about
3 August 1945 on one of the targets: Hiroshima, Kokura, Niigata,
Nagasaki. To carry military and civilian scientific personnel from the
War Department to observe and record the effects of the explosion of
the bomb, additional aircraft will accompany the airplane carrying the
bomb. The observing planes will stay several miles distant from the
point of impact of the bomb.

2. Additional bombs will be delivered on the above targets as soon as
made ready by the project staff. Further instructions will be issued
concerning targets other than those listed above.

3. Dissemination of any and all information concerning the use of the
weapon against Japan is reserved to the Secretary of War and the
President of the United States. Communiques on the subject or releases
of information will be issued by Commanders in the field without
specific prior authority. Any news stories will be sent to the War
Department for special clearance.

4. The foregoing directive is issued to you by direction and with the
approval of the Secretary of War and of the Chief of Staff, USA. It is
desired that you personally deliver one copy of this directive to
General MacArthur and one copy to Admiral Nimitz for their
information.

Thomas Handy, General, G.S.C.
Acting Chief of Staff

B-29 Snuffy & The Skunks
676th Bombardment Sqdn (Very Heavy)
444th Group, 58th Wing, 20th Air Force
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[This message was edited by Snuffy Smith on Sun July 25 2004 at 05:32 PM.]

Snuffy Smith
07-25-2004, 11:14 AM
WAR DEPARTMENT
OFFICE OF THE CHIEF OF STAFF: 25 July 1945
TO: General Carl Spaatz
Commanding General
United States Army Strategic Air Forces

1. The 509 Composite Group, 20th Air Force will deliver its first
special bomb as soon as weather will permit visual bombing after about
3 August 1945 on one of the targets: Hiroshima, Kokura, Niigata,
Nagasaki. To carry military and civilian scientific personnel from the
War Department to observe and record the effects of the explosion of
the bomb, additional aircraft will accompany the airplane carrying the
bomb. The observing planes will stay several miles distant from the
point of impact of the bomb.

2. Additional bombs will be delivered on the above targets as soon as
made ready by the project staff. Further instructions will be issued
concerning targets other than those listed above.

3. Dissemination of any and all information concerning the use of the
weapon against Japan is reserved to the Secretary of War and the
President of the United States. Communiques on the subject or releases
of information will be issued by Commanders in the field without
specific prior authority. Any news stories will be sent to the War
Department for special clearance.

4. The foregoing directive is issued to you by direction and with the
approval of the Secretary of War and of the Chief of Staff, USA. It is
desired that you personally deliver one copy of this directive to
General MacArthur and one copy to Admiral Nimitz for their
information.

Thomas Handy, General, G.S.C.
Acting Chief of Staff

B-29 Snuffy & The Skunks
676th Bombardment Sqdn (Very Heavy)
444th Group, 58th Wing, 20th Air Force
http://mysite.verizon.net/res7kxfm/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/676bs240.jpg

[This message was edited by Snuffy Smith on Sun July 25 2004 at 05:32 PM.]

Dammerung
07-26-2004, 10:54 PM
As a little note, General Spaatz went to the same Prep school I'm in now, Perkiomen School. I was on "His" floor my 10th Grade year. Thought that was pretty cool... my dormparent said Spaatz haunted the place...

EDIT(CLARIFICATION): One of the Floors in the Main building is "Spaatz Floor"

Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
The whole damn place is full of queers, navigators, and bombadiers...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...

[This message was edited by Dammerung on Mon July 26 2004 at 10:07 PM.]

Giganoni
07-26-2004, 11:57 PM
I just got back from Japan, saw the Hiroshima Peace park and the Museum. A pretty somber experience and was surprised to see it admit to all the wrongs Japan had done as well, including the many forced Chinese or Korean labor that were killed by the blast. What I also didn't know is many junior high school students were creating fire lanes (to prevent fire bombing to spread) in the heart of the city when the bomb went off. However it talks in some detail about desicions to drop the bomb, giving a timeline and even copies or originals of letters that determine why Hiroshima should have been chosen. Kyoto was on the list even at one point.

One reason I remember for dropping on Hiroshima is that there was not supposed to be a POW camp in the city, but looking at the map there was.

Kinda creepy how much America treated it as not a weapon but, some sort of experiment.

The Mayors of Hiroshima send a letter of protest everytime a country tests a nuclear weapon. Although I'm sure people will always question why atomics were used or if they were used for the right reasons, but it is obvious The park and museum is more concerned with the prevention of any more cities sharing Hiroshima's fate. Which is something I'm sure all of us could agree on.

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Dammerung
07-27-2004, 01:29 PM
Yeah, I can't figure out why people who want to Ban Inhumane Nuclear weapons aren't heard... They're no different than Chemical weapons... Someone might just decide to put his 'deterrance' weapons to use...

Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
The whole damn place is full of queers, navigators, and bombadiers...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...

Tater-SW-
07-27-2004, 02:33 PM
A ban is only as good as the intentions of people that sign onto it, and every single leader who might someday follow them in office. Without the might of an enforcer able and willing to proactively enforce such a ban it would be utterly meaningless and dangerously naive.

Let's not forget that there probably would have been a WW3 without the threat of escalation to prevent it.

In a world of sheep, a single wolf runs the world.

tater

Penguin_PFF
07-27-2004, 03:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dammerung:
Yeah, I can't figure out why people who want to Ban Inhumane Nuclear weapons aren't heard... They're no different than Chemical weapons... Someone might just decide to put his 'deterrance' weapons to use...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because there are people in the world who, at the moment, consider it a duty from God to acquire nuclear weapons and use them on their enemies, killing as many non-combatants as possible. While there are still tribal people in the hills of Pakistan who scrawl pro-nuclear graffiti on the rocks along the donkey path, I would like for there to be a whole rack of missiles available in the center of the U.S. in case one of their associates decides to set one off in Boston or LA.

Or Hamburg, or London, or anywhere else for that matter.

MAD is exactly that, but once the genie is out of the bottle, it's probably the only strategy that keeps the genie from being used. Humans are ugly, and the world is an ugly place, and no amount of being nice to other people is going to change that.

I'm sure I just sent this thread into the inevitable downward spiral. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I bet it'll be locked before the next ten replies are made...

"Kinda creepy how much America treated it as not a weapon but, some sort of experiment."

Isn't it though? Read some of the accounts of the tests in the desert in the 50's where they were running exercises out there after nuclear explosions went off... My understanding is that more damage was ultimately done to the population upwind of the test areas than to the troops in the exercises, really, but still... Talk about playing with fire. Literally.

Dammerung
07-27-2004, 11:01 PM
On one such exercise in the 1950s, only 2 participants are alive today.

Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
The whole damn place is full of queers, navigators, and bombadiers...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...